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Postby cstaylor » Thu May 16, 2002 11:50 pm

...in the U.S., H-1B visa holders paid the payroll tax (Social Security), but were not eligible to receive benefits from the program... so American companies got cheap labor, and Social Security got a shot in the arm.

The hurdles are higher here, but if Japan were to import labor on the scale that America did over the last eight years, it might help this pension situation.
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Re: 30% of wages eyed for pensions

Postby Taro Toporific » Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:58 pm

bikkle wrote:30% of wages eyed for pensions
A report says longevity and the low birthrate will cut deeper into monthly salaries by 2025.
Pension fund payments, which are currently set at 17.35 percent of monthly salary-and shared equally by employer and employed-will have to be raised to 31.9 percent if the current level of service is to be maintained.


Check how much all you FGs are gonna be ripped off...

How revisions affect the average employee
Asahi / Dec 18
.... Currently...A worker with a monthly pretax salary of 300,000 yen plus 1.4 million yen in bonuses would have an annual income of 5 million yen. ... to bring the annual total to 339,500 yen. ...From 2017, the worker making 5 million yen annually will pay 458,750 yen a year in pension premiums {{that are almost impossible for FG to collect}}
...Although the average pension benefits are expected to increase with inflation, future pensioners will receive about 15 percent less than those under the current system.
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YIKES!

Postby Taro Toporific » Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:57 am

cstaylor wrote:...in the U.S., H-1B visa holders paid the payroll tax (Social Security), but were not eligible to receive benefits from the program... so American companies got cheap labor, and Social Security got a shot in the arm.


I just about had a heart attack upon seeing this in Terrie's Take" this morning and as a public service I will quote it in full. (Terrie and I used to work together as fresh-off-the-plane FGs so I figure he'll be ok withthe full quote.)

T E R R I E 'S T A K E
A weekly roundup of news & information from Terrie Lloyd. http://www.terrie.com
General Edition Sunday, 22th February, 2004 Issue No. 267

Social welfare agreement signed
http://www.terrie.com

After years of discussion, the Japan and USA have signed
an agreement that allows nationals of one country working
in the other to gain credits for their social welfare
contributions. Readers may remember that we raised this
issue about 6 months ago, where a person working for years
in Japan then returning home, would not be able to gain
credit for a pension program in either country, despite
having paid substantial contributions.

According to the Nikkei, the new program allows US
nationals in Japan and Japanese nationals in the USA to
stay out of the host country's social welfare contribution
program for 5 years, and instead contribute to their home
country program. If they plan to reside in the host country
for longer than 5 years, then contributions move to the
program in the country of residence, and are also
aggregatable once the person returns home. ***Ed: We haven't
been able to review all aspects of this new harmonization
program, but it sounds like it goes a long way to fixing the
inequities for US citizens in Japan. Now we wonder just when
Japan will move on its talks with other countries?**
(Source: TT commentary from nikkei.co.jp, Feb 20, 2004)

http://www.nni.nikkei.co.jp/AC/TNKS/Nni20040219D19JFF02.htm
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Postby kamome » Mon Feb 23, 2004 12:23 pm

To avoid these issues, it's best to negotiate with your employer BEFORE coming to Japan so that you are paid offshore (i.e., receive your compensation in your home country or a third country) rather than be on the local Japanese payroll. I unfortunately didn't know this before coming to Japan and wound up paying into the Japanese pension system for more than two years. I'll never see most of that money again.
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Re: YIKES!

Postby Big Booger » Mon Feb 23, 2004 12:34 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:
cstaylor wrote:...in the U.S., H-1B visa holders paid the payroll tax (Social Security), but were not eligible to receive benefits from the program... so American companies got cheap labor, and Social Security got a shot in the arm.


I just about had a heart attack upon seeing this in Terrie's Take" this morning and as a public service I will quote it in full. (Terrie and I used to work together as fresh-off-the-plane FGs so I figure he'll be ok withthe full quote.)

T E R R I E 'S T A K E
A weekly roundup of news & information from Terrie Lloyd. http://www.terrie.com
General Edition Sunday, 22th February, 2004 Issue No. 267

Social welfare agreement signed
http://www.terrie.com

After years of discussion, the Japan and USA have signed
an agreement that allows nationals of one country working
in the other to gain credits for their social welfare
contributions. Readers may remember that we raised this
issue about 6 months ago, where a person working for years
in Japan then returning home, would not be able to gain
credit for a pension program in either country, despite
having paid substantial contributions.

According to the Nikkei, the new program allows US
nationals in Japan and Japanese nationals in the USA to
stay out of the host country's social welfare contribution
program for 5 years, and instead contribute to their home
country program. If they plan to reside in the host country
for longer than 5 years, then contributions move to the
program in the country of residence, and are also
aggregatable once the person returns home. ***Ed: We haven't
been able to review all aspects of this new harmonization
program, but it sounds like it goes a long way to fixing the
inequities for US citizens in Japan. Now we wonder just when
Japan will move on its talks with other countries?**
(Source: TT commentary from nikkei.co.jp, Feb 20, 2004)

http://www.nni.nikkei.co.jp/AC/TNKS/Nni20040219D19JFF02.htm
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So how do you go about setting this up? Any forms to fill out? Notify the employer? etc...
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Re: YIKES!

Postby Taro Toporific » Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:59 pm

Big Booger wrote:
Taro Toporific wrote:.
...the new program allows US nationals in Japan and Japanese nationals in the USA to stay out of the host country's social welfare contribution program for 5 years, and instead contribute to their home country program. If they plan to reside in the host country for longer than 5 years, then contributions move to the program in the country of residence, and are also aggregatable once the person returns home.

So how do you go about setting this up? Any forms to fill out? Notify the employer? etc...


Well there's more details now available at the American Embassy Tokyo in the American Community Update - March 2004. Some forms but it's still all very vague.

American Embassy wrote:Q: Since the U.S. and Japan signed a Social Security Totalization Agreement, would I have to give up all of my Japanese social security benefits in order to qualify for U.S. Medicare benefits? I think I only need a few more years of work in the U.S. to qualify for Medicare there, can I use part of my Japanese years to make up the total?

Answer: You do not have to give up your benefits in Japan. However, you cannot use your benefits in Japan to qualify for Medicare in the U.S., as there are no Medicare benefits covered under any proposed Totalization Agreement. Please refer to SSA regulation GN 01701.130A.

Q: If there is no way I can qualify for Medicare in the U.S.....



Even if Japanese Social Security now works in the US for Americans but Medicare will not, arrrrg. Read my shortened notes here
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Postby Ol Dirty Gaijin » Sat Apr 10, 2004 12:16 am

Good news, if the Australian government gets it's ass into gear us Skips might get something back. Have tried getting info or links from the consulate, not much back...

Will post if I here anything at all though.

Also for Australians who been away more than 5 years, beware, you are not covered by Medicare on your visits back...
http://www.hic.gov.au/yourhealth/our_services/am.htm
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