'chuuta hampah ningen'

by **Maths Dude** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:22 pm

Sorry, double topic. I hate dial up!

by **tetsujin gaijin** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:42 am

Ah, the dirty little secret is out. The Japanese love gaijin when they can be play things, but hate gaijn when they figure out that they'll never be accepted by Japanese society. Hearing this confirmed from a Japanese perspective can make you question the sincerity of every Japanese person you meet. You start thinking "Am I a clown? Am I here to amuse you?"

by **Taro Toporific** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:22 am

tetsujin gaijin wrote:You start thinking "Am I a clown? Am I here to amuse you?"

YES!

by **Steve Bildermann** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:04 am

on this subject ....always worth a repost....

:arrow:

http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4145&highlight=accepted

by **maraboutslim** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:17 am

by **Ketou** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:27 am

by **Taro Toporific** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:36 am

Maths Dude wrote: topic

The above quote seems to be taken from Korean discussion...

http://rkrc5w2q.dyndns.org/cache/korea/kaba.2ch.net/korea/kako/1006/10066/1006610155.html

by **hakuman** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:33 pm

by **sillygirl** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:23 am

One of the things I'm looking forward to when I go home:

To be Ms. Anonymous.

I live in a pretty inaka place, and after 11 years, the staring at me or the shocked 'eh?'s I get are getting to be a bit bloody annoying.

I just wanna walk down a street without getting the sidelong glances.

Meh, don't mind me. I love Japan and all that, but after numerous dry martinis, I just felt like posting this.

Mind you, after so long of being a fucked gaijin, my behaviour or fucked engrish will probably attract a few more glances or eh?s in Engerland any way.

Blimey.Fucked either way!

by **Mulboyne** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:20 am

sillygirl wrote:Blimey.Fucked either way!

Welcome, pupil, you have arrived.

by **Big Booger** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:40 pm

I feel sorry for foreigners who have to stay a long time in Japan. I know that it
is quite a different place culturally. Just learning the language isn't enough
though. You have to understand our values and way of life that has a longer
history of development than North America. So I think that foreigners who
overcome the initial 'honeymoon' period since arriving here can become more and
more isolated until they become introverted 'nerd'. In many ways, they become
like us-trusting only in-group, without integrating the rest of the Japanese way
of thinking and viewing the world. Actually, I agree with Japanese boy above;
foreigners are being excluded from Japanese social groups. (I am not referring to
your participation in groups as a token gaijin, but rather toward a real deep
participation-its impossible) I think foreigners should leave Japan before 4 or 5
years- before you lose our 'self' and what makes you special to us Japanese in
the first place. Most overstayers I have met are what we call 'chuuta hampah
ningen'- which means halfway person; not Japanese and not foreigner. These
people find that they cannot (really) penetrate Japanese society, and when they
visit America, they feel out of touch with their own original culture.

That is really funny. I mean, that person blames the gaijin because japan is racist and segregated.... WTF???

Oh and we love "being special to Japanese"... what an honour.

find that they cannot (really) penetrate Japanese society

Sounds like they are using some sexual metaphors there...

And WTF is an overstayer? LOL

I say, those that "overstay" obviously have figured out Japan. They know it is racist, segregated, backward, and totally fucked.

I'd say a majority would be married to a Japanese or have some other tie to Japan that keeps them here.... otherwise they'd be on the first plane out of this shit hole.

And there are probably some who like it here... they are the truly fucked.

I wished China would go to war with Japan.

That'd make my day.

by **Samurai_Jerk** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:56 pm

I feel sorry for foreigners who have to stay a long time in Japan. I know that it
is quite a different place culturally. Just learning the language isn't enough
though. You have to understand our values and way of life that has a longer
history of development than North America.

When will they learn that not all foreigners are North American and that though North Americans come from nations that are relatively young they are still from cultures that are thousands of years old. Hell, I can trace my family tree on my father's side back 1000 years and my mother's at least 500.

by **cliffy** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:44 pm

sillygirl wrote:I just wanna walk down a street without getting the sidelong glances.

Nope, not gonna happen. I've seen the photos, cute girls will always get "glanced" at. Live with it :twisted:

by **tidbits** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:58 pm

What I have learnt recently is - The word 'Gaijin' is for anyone as long as is you are not Japanese, this apply anytime, Anywhere. Some Nikkei-Jin in Paraguay who have settled there for more than 40 years still refer the locals as 'gaijin san.' When I first heard their conversation, I was confused like-'Oops they are talking about me..no..that is not about me, but they cannot be calling themselve with the word 'san' behind ,right?..and finally 'What! they are calling the local people there 'Gaijin'!...' From here, I can really feel how strong their "trust only in -group' thing.

by **cstaylor** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:31 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:When will they learn that not all foreigners are North American and that though North Americans come from nations that are relatively young they are still from cultures that are thousands of years old. Hell, I can trace my family tree on my father's side back 1000 years and my mother's at least 500.

Same old thing. These losers have done nothing with their lives, so they stand on the shoulders of giants and think they've reached the clouds on their own. :roll:

by **sillygirl** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:40 am

Mulboyne wrote:
sillygirl wrote:Blimey.Fucked either way!

Welcome, pupil, you have arrived.

Shouldn't you be calling me 'grasshopper'?

by **tonikoro** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:42 pm

After being here near 4years, the stigma of all this horseshit has run it's course, and finally.. I don't give a shit. I went back to the States last year for the first time in 3yrs, but the only thing that made me feel odd was the vast amount of space, and shopping for shit that actually fit. The food was shitty, but the weather was great.

The "gaijin as novelty" factor is always going to be a problem because japan is unique in the way that (even in the head start of the 21st century) it and it's people are still very isolated, even though it participates in very global exploits. Overall in some ways it's isolation makes it feel "lowball", but at the same time it shares many aspects of westernization WE gave it. We have to remember, Japan is not an immigrant society like the States nor many other western countries, so Jackasses like this one here can think as they do.

by **AssKissinger** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:33 pm

by **Oradea** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:31 am

Let them live in their glass bottles.
Let them laugh at us.
Let them diss our worldy experince.
Because let's face it, who really listens to them?
Who can really understand their shit English?
I'm gonna stay here until the place sinks from either a huge tsunami, or global warming.
I'm still waiting here in Nagoya for the tokai earthquake I was promised 5 years ago. I won't leave until this city is flattened.
:twisted:

by **Kurofune** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:21 am

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
I feel sorry for foreigners who have to stay a long time in Japan. I know that it
is quite a different place culturally. Just learning the language isn't enough
though. You have to understand our values and way of life that has a longer
history of development than North America.

When will they learn that not all foreigners are North American and that though North Americans come from nations that are relatively young they are still from cultures that are thousands of years old. Hell, I can trace my family tree on my father's side back 1000 years and my mother's at least 500.

It gets worse: "...and when they visit America, they feel out of touch with their own original culture."

So we have this situation where all foreigners are American, where Japanese consider it a mark of sophistication to be able to rent green "Americans," where it comforts them to know that these "Americans" are subjected to intolerable working conditions at NOVA, and where "Americans" who "overstay" should leave because they no longer entertain the Japanese.

I suspect one of two mentalities is happening here. First, this person couldn't care less about the position of foreigners and is taking this tack as a rhetorical way of telling unentertaining (and probably threatening) foreigners to stop overstaying their usefulness. Second, although this person might have some concern for fucked gaijin, this is as close to open-minded about the subject as this person can get.

I'm happy to say that I had a great experience with a class of Japanese housewives. It was during my sixth and last year in Japan, and my not being green apparently wasn't a problem. Then there were the two times that Japanese came up to me like I was just another person and asked me in Japanese for directions. Instances like these gave me hope, but they were unfortunately exceptions to the rule. I understand that they're shy and grew up in a society that has mixed feelings about exposure to foreigners, but this mentality about foreigners being circus clowns or museum props disgusts me.

by **Reddeville** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:15 am

Great thread! Good debate! My opinion? Don`t believe the hype!

The Japanese poster is simply doing that old trick of Japan for the Japanese, bring the gaijin in to entertain us and then let them know they`re not welcome because we are Japanese with four seasons, a unique culture, no racism because we are all Japanese etc. The poster is just expressing that in a different way, trying to be clever. Trying is the key word.

What they are really proving is - Japanese people are uncomfortable with the idea that non Japanese can live in their society, negotiate daily life and business successfully and keep living here as long as they want to provided they put in the effort. Most of them could never do what we do if our home societies put in place the mechanisms against them that exist here against foreigners.

I`ve come across this attitude in Japan. All it does is show their insecurity and envy. Yes, envy that foreigners can cirumvent their barriers to live happy, productive lives here for whenever. As for the bullshit about how we can`t `penetrate Japanese society` (nice image for what is fundamentally a very camp society) - most of us don`t want to. We know we have more power doing our own thing and fitting in when we have. Japanese society is not some exclusive club which we are being denied access to, even if many Japanese labor under that illusion.

That post by the Japanese person is very sad and says more about her/him than they will ever know. Ignorance is the fix for the Japanese. Let them indulge in their delusions.

by **Reddeville** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:24 am

Maths Dude - where did you get that original post and reply from? What forum where these know it all Japanese making themselves feel important by shovelling their usual horseshit? I`d like to have a look at that forum. Info thanks!

by **Greji** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:57 pm

I agree. A great post for looking at the J-mindset. They will always consider their society to be unique, otherwise they will have to admit to being a small cog in the wheel of the universe and not a member of the special class of elite ningen. Sports gives it to you full blast. All commentaries on international events suddenly become NIPPON as Nihon shrinks into the background. The uniqueness of "nippon yakkyu" as compared to the major leagues and whether the new gaijin player can adapt to make in Japan. When volleyball was big it was "Nippon Combi Barri" that made it. It is Sekai no Aoki, Maruyama in golf, it was Sekai no Matsui when he was getting ready to go to the Yankees.

They need this identity to keep from seeping into the sesspool of anonymity, which as individuals, they desperately fear.

Unfortunately, a lot of those who aspouse this theory are only repeating what they have exposed to and learned throught the education system and most of that from the peer groups and surrounds when going to school. They really believe this is true.

Granted, Universities and secondary schools have for years been using the stale gaijin ploy to fire long-term teachers, claiming they have become Japanized and they want new blood for teachers (old teachers have been away from home to long and do not know what's happening back there. :?:

). However, I think this originally stemmed from not wanting to give teachers tenure and having to pay more (in earlier years) than they paid their J-staff. But now they simply lay it off to needing a fresh gaijin look.

But, be that as it may, it has created the great circle of WA which they will forever wish to be forbidden to the FG crowd. That's part of what makes it fun :cheers:

by **oyajikun** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:03 pm

I have been looking for a new MSN name for a while now. Thanks for the post. Hits home.

Aside from a couple of my closest drinking buddies, I've come to learn that it's not worth investing much of my enery into close freindship with other people in my 'circle'. Just being that funny 'shiriai no hito' is fine by me. "Ignorance is bliss".

by **Kurofune** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:04 pm

Wow! I posted on this thread three months ago, and here it is on the first page.

I was out of the US for six years, and I didn't feel a bit out of step when I came back. Other than an occasional pop-culture reference, I don't feel like I missed anything. And I have no doubt that if I go back to Japan tomorrow, I'd be able to dive right back in and be comfortable and productive in no time. I don't see how being able to make my life in two countries (which surely gives me greater flexibility for doing it in a third) makes me a halfway person. Most of my acquaintances in the US would see my experience as making me sort of a double person. That holds a harsh mirror to the mentality in the original post.

Maybe Japanese who think we've become chuuto hanpa gaijin are projecting their fear of leaving Japan and losing some of their Japanese-ness. Whatever. I know I had lots of fun for all six of my J-years despite that mentality.

by **Maths Dude** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:29 am

The posters of that tripe are Japanese rednecks. I'd never want to be a short legged Japanese. The dominant culture is western, it's the white peoples turn at being top dog

by **n2a2n2o2** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:52 am

by **terebi_fanatic** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:23 am

Reddeville wrote:Great thread! Good debate! My opinion? Don`t believe the hype!

The Japanese poster is simply doing that old trick of Japan for the Japanese, bring the gaijin in to entertain us and then let them know they`re not welcome because we are Japanese with four seasons, a unique culture, no racism because we are all Japanese etc. The poster is just expressing that in a different way, trying to be clever. Trying is the key word.

What they are really proving is - Japanese people are uncomfortable with the idea that non Japanese can live in their society, negotiate daily life and business successfully and keep living here as long as they want to provided they put in the effort. Most of them could never do what we do if our home societies put in place the mechanisms against them that exist here against foreigners.

I`ve come across this attitude in Japan. All it does is show their insecurity and envy. Yes, envy that foreigners can cirumvent their barriers to live happy, productive lives here for whenever. As for the bullshit about how we can`t `penetrate Japanese society` (nice image for what is fundamentally a very camp society) - most of us don`t want to. We know we have more power doing our own thing and fitting in when we have. Japanese society is not some exclusive club which we are being denied access to, even if many Japanese labor under that illusion.

That post by the Japanese person is very sad and says more about her/him than they will ever know. Ignorance is the fix for the Japanese. Let them indulge in their delusions.

This!

Agree 100%. The person may have heard someone saying something along those lines and decided to spin it into a clever "Japan for Japanese" piece.

Looks like it's much more effective than those sh*t spewing vans on the streets of Tokyo.

By writing the word "Overstayers" the author revealed his true colors.

Well guess what buddy! The population is going way down and soon you'll have more old people than you can handle.

While "youngsters" are out partying nation is barely reproducing. That's when becoming more "open minded" gaijins will become a REAL necessity rather than a choice.

by **Ketou** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:43 am

terebi_fanatic wrote:This!

Agree 100%. The person may have heard someone saying something along those lines and decided to spin it into a clever "Japan for Japanese" piece.

Looks like it's much more effective than those sh*t spewing vans on the streets of Tokyo.

By writing the word "Overstayers" the author revealed his true colors.

Well guess what buddy! The population is going way down and soon you'll have more old people than you can handle.

While "youngsters" are out partying nation is barely reproducing. That's when becoming more "open minded" gaijins will become a REAL necessity rather than a choice.

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