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it ain't the first time they got sued nor will it be the last time they end up in court

Debito is an asswipe.

2-channel is an accurate representation of Japan... more than Geisha, Sumo, and Tea ceremonies IMHO.

AssKissinger wrote:Debito is an asswipe.

watch it punk or you're next.

AS much as I think he goes overboard, the man has a point and the guy that operates channel 2 is a punk IMO for not even OPENING letters.

American Oyaji wrote:AS much as I think he goes overboard, the man has a point and the guy that operates channel 2 is a punk IMO for not even OPENING letters.

Shit, the same thing could happen to FG. 2 Channel is a place for people to express themselves freely. I'm a lot more concerned about free expression than I am about discrimination against gaijin. Especially since it's hardly a problem to begin with.

funny, i take a piss in every onsen i go to and they always let me in. never a problem. yet this debuto cunt has a japanese passport and doesn't get in. i think there's a lesson in there for all of us. i should add that i take a piss whether there's a korean girl in there or not. it's just a personal policy.

flotsam wrote:funny, i take a piss in every onsen i go to and they always let me in. never a problem. yet this debuto cunt has a japanese passport and doesn't get in. i think there's a lesson in there for all of us. i should add that i take a piss whether there's a korean girl in there or not. it's just a personal policy.

Better watch out, some onsens employ the RED DYE

AssKissinger wrote:Shit, the same thing could happen to FG. 2 Channel is a place for people to express themselves freely. I'm a lot more concerned about free expression than I am about discrimination against gaijin. Especially since it's hardly a problem to begin with.

I don't think it is that simple. The court will in almost every instance find against someone who fails to appear. 2 Channel could have avoided this with an appearance and probably have been told to respect requests to remove slander, made some reasonable deal with Dave and that would have been the end of it. As a result, now whether they had a case or not, the they must pay up or receive an all-expense payed trip to that well known onsen, the butabako!

However, I do wonder about your statement concerning free expression versus discrimination. Free speech does have its limits under law, but I know of no civilized place that legalizes discrimination (not that it doesn't occur)!

AssKissinger wrote:Shit, the same thing could happen to FG. 2 Channel is a place for people to express themselves freely. I'm a lot more concerned about free expression than I am about discrimination against gaijin. Especially since it's hardly a problem to begin with.

Are you kidding!?

homesweethome wrote:Are you kidding!?

No, in seven years I can count the times I was discriminated against on one hand. It's just not a big problem. I've written about this before but a lot of Westerners have some kind of hard on for bringing our civil rights struggles to Japan but it's just not applicable.

In 8 years in Japan, I can say I was discriminated against once and it didn't really bother me. I walked into a pawn shop to look around. The proprietor pointed to a sign and asked me to leave. Here's the kicker. I was leaving Japan the next day. I told the guy, I'd been living in that area for 5 years and had been in Japan for a total of 8 and I'm leaving tomorrow. This has never happened to me before. What a pity. I am saddened. Sayonara.

Then I split. I think I made an impression on him because he was rather apologetic about it all. He'd had some bad dealings with Americans in the past.

LOL You two are merely ignorant of the discrimination around you. Ever have people point fingers? Move out of the seat next to you? Not to mention all of the great service that you never got cause you didn't know any better. Just because you are unaware of it doesn't mean it isn't rampant cause it is. People talk about racism in the U.S. .. well I have seen far more of it here (nobody shooting at niggaz in the hood here thus less obvious) then I ever did back home in L.A. (where we had race riots..). The more you speak the language and learn the subtlties of the culture etc.. it becomes all the more apparent. I know lots of "gaijin" working at companies.. but they are on special contracts and don't get promoted or the guranteed benifits of the 'regular' kaishain. I have been turned away from stores and apartments. Not a big problem in that you are not going to get shot but definetaly apparent if you don't have your head buried in the sand.

Well, I'm the type of person that will go into a place even if it has a Japanese Only sign on the door and I'll still get served. I just ignored the racist stuff. I mean, if a person doesn't impede my progress, their racist attitude doesn't bother me.

As an African-American I've seen and dealt with the ugliness of racism here in the U.S., but I don't think about it unless it stops me from what I want to do.

Otherwise I ignore it.

American Oyaji wrote:Well, I'm the type of person that will go into a place even if it has a Japanese Only sign on the door and I'll still get served. I just ignored the racist stuff. I mean, if a person doesn't impede my progress, their racist attitude doesn't bother me.

As an African-American I've seen and dealt with the ugliness of racism here in the U.S., but I don't think about it unless it stops me from what I want to do.

Otherwise I ignore it.

Well just because you ignored it doesn't mean you were not discriminated against.... Which is NOT the same as saying

American Oyaji wrote:In 8 years in Japan, I can say I was discriminated against once

ya know?

Discrimination that affected what I wanted to do?

Once.

drpepper wrote:LOL You two are merely ignorant of the discrimination around you. Ever have people point fingers? Move out of the seat next to you? Not to mention all of the great service that you never got cause you didn't know any better. Just because you are unaware of it doesn't mean it isn't rampant cause it is. People talk about racism in the U.S. .. well I have seen far more of it here (nobody shooting at niggaz in the hood here thus less obvious) then I ever did back home in L.A. (where we had race riots..). The more you speak the language and learn the subtlties of the culture etc.. it becomes all the more apparent. I know lots of "gaijin" working at companies.. but they are on special contracts and don't get promoted or the guranteed benifits of the 'regular' kaishain. I have been turned away from stores and apartments. Not a big problem in that you are not going to get shot but definetaly apparent if you don't have your head buried in the sand.

Agreed. Racism affects resident foreigners' lives in Japan everyday. Just because you may not see it, or because you choose to overlook it in lieu of the ‘gaijin benefits', doesn’t mean it isn’t around.

I am sure that if I looked for racism I would find it more often than it affects me. It is my choice on how I deal with it. I could obsess, rant and rave and start law suits, or I could my energy into something more productive.

The way I see it, nothing I have to deal with is as bad as the treatment of Asians in my own country. So before I have the right to whinge and whine here, I feel that I would have to fix some things back home first. I am not personally guilty of racism at home, but my knowing it is there and not doing anything about it reeks of double standards if I whinge about minor issues here in Japan.

You're a wise lady GG.

GomiGirl wrote:I am sure that if I looked for racism I would find it more often than it affects me. It is my choice on how I deal with it. I could obsess, rant and rave and start law suits, or I could my energy into something more productive.

The way I see it, nothing I have to deal with is as bad as the treatment of Asians in my own country.

Yeah I see your point but there is a huge difference -- 'back home' there are laws against racism, so if it happens that a Japanese is discriminated against there is legal recourse. Here a shopowner/landlord/employer can just say "I don't like gaijin" and bar the door and that's that -- no law prevents it.

I believe this is what Arudou is trying to change and good for him, he is a citizen here and has kids, it's practically a moral duty to fight for a future in which they can't be told to sod off simply because they are the wrong ethnicity.

Personally, I've had one person get up after I sat down in a train, but that's it. The odd shopkeeper or the like has sometimes been a bit panicy at the thought of having to communicate with me, which I totally understand.

I have noticed that white foreigners are considerably more popular than other Asians or people from the Middle East. But hell, back in Sydney the Chinese and Koreans get blamed for organised crime just as much as anywhere where there are a lot of them around. Crimes by foreigners get just as much attention as well.

From what I could gather, the bath house issue in Hokkaido had to do with Russian sailors. I've never been to those forums though, I'll have to have a look. Sounds like the guy running it needs a good beating though.

I'd have a go at getting the ISP that hosts them (in the USA) to shut them down, personally.

Currawong wrote:Personally, I've had one person get up after I sat down in a train, but that's it.

That would've been Charles!

gboothe wrote:That would've been Charles!

I admit, I have gotten up and moved to a different rail car, to avoid drunken, boisterous ozzies. They were disturbing the wa.

Charles wrote:I admit, I have gotten up and moved to a different rail car, to avoid drunken, boisterous ozzies. They were disturbing the wa.

There isn't a need to compare whether racism is worse here or back home, I think. We have to stand up to it everywhere.

It does exist here and I think that if you are long term here you start to see it more and more. It's harder to get bank loans and get apartments. Many employers will only hire foreigners as contract workers and not put them on shakai hoken.
The staring, finger pointing, private individuals' anti-gaijin attitudes, etc. aren't illegal but they make me really uncomfortable.
I am really ashamed of the racism that has gone on the US (as a Yank FG) but the existence of racism in other countries doesn't make an excuse for it here.
The fact that Tokyo has a governor(mayor?) that makes such racist comments is a bit worrying. I wouldn't want to be in Tokyo if there were a natural disaster. The SDF might come knocking on my door to keep me from running riot.

Adamu at Mutant Frog has picked up on a ZAKZAK story speculating that 2ch will be closed down.