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I think that whole Norika situation is really messed up. Her parents broke the law, why should they have a special case, just because of their daughter? I feel bad for her, but the law is the law c'mon...and now they are giving another reason for these types of anti-foreigner groups to protest.

Harassing elementary and junior high school kids. What a bunch of fucking pussies.

Samurai_Jerk wrote:Harassing elementary and junior high school kids. What a bunch of fucking pussies.

You said it. If they really want to protest, go protest some of those Nigerian guys in Roppongi on a Saturday night.

is noriko an anchor baby?

Extreme Left Violence Group?!?!?!

Samurai_Jerk wrote:Harassing elementary and junior high school kids. What a bunch of fucking pussies.

Yup. This is pretty sick.

I can understand being concerned about illegal immigration, but marching and protesting in front of schools? And they're not exactly going about it in peaceful manner, are they. Probably scaring the crap out of the kids. I suppose none of these insensitive idiots even thought about the psychological damage they might be (probably are) doing.

Done this way it's nothing more than "ijime" on a grand scale, and with a piss-weak excuse.

The pissedometer is off the scale on this one.

Now I know what those golden knobs are for

Really pathetic stuff here. I guess that the Right doesn't realize that their dream ended about 64 years ago.

Uthark_Runa wrote:I think that whole Norika situation is really messed up. Her parents broke the law, why should they have a special case, just because of their daughter? I feel bad for her, but the law is the law c'mon...and now they are giving another reason for these types of anti-foreigner groups to protest.

Fuck that, the girl was born here she should have a Japanese passport. The parents have been here 16 years too I think they should stay too. "Its the law c'com" ? Fuck the law, what about humanity ?

I saw the first two video clips I posted on a blog with links to comments on 2ch and Nico Nico Douga, It seemed the reaction was almost universally negative towards this march regardless of how people thought about the Calderon case specifically. Most didn't care for the fact they went near two schools which is not always clear in other YouTube videos taken that day.

Zaitokukai has been around for a while and have been active in opposing Korean pressure groups in particular. As far as they are concerned, the root of the "foreign" problem lies with the status of special permanent residents and virtually everything after that is an unnecessary concession. They were demanding a full apology from Warabi officials for allowing the child of illegal immigrants to have attended school in the first place and wanted police and immigration officials to do a full sweep of the area to track down any other illegals. The group is certainly comprised of right wingers but it is interesting that a lot of what they say is echoed in other anti-immigration debates around the world.

soulboy wrote:Fuck that, the girl was born here she should have a Japanese passport. The parents have been here 16 years too I think they should stay too. "Its the law c'com" ? Fuck the law, what about humanity ?

Humanity? is Noriko or her parents going to die if they get deported? Are they looking at being imprisoned or tortured by the PI government upon their return?...no. So whats the problem? You seriously believe the law should be totally disregarded if it makes someones life a little better, without really hurting anyone? My grandparents were immigrants from a piss poor country much like the Philippines, and they did legally, its was a pain, but they did. They respected the law of the country, and everything worked out great. We have laws for a reason, because people like Norikos parents, and yourself dont have any respect for them. so what law do we disregard next?

Uthark_Runa wrote:so what law do we disregard next?

Um, um...

Mulboyne wrote:Most didn't care for the fact they went near two schools which is not always clear in other YouTube videos taken that day..

It seems like a very stupid thing to do if you're trying to garner support especially since those are regular school where most of the students are Japanese.

Uthark_Runa wrote:so what law do we disregard next?

So you have never broken a law in your life? Ah, only those minor "unimportant" laws, right? Holier than thou fucktard.

Mike Oxlong wrote:Um, um...

what is that? some kind of mutant momiji?

Samurai_Jerk wrote:It seems like a very stupid thing to do if you're trying to garner support especially since those are regular school where most of the students are Japanese.

i would posit that it may even have the opposite effect.. the girl likely has friends at school that want her to stay and despite her lack of nationality have only ever seen her as one of their own.

these right-wing nutters may in fact be working against their own objectives by instilling a certain sense of solidarity against their type amongst the impressionable youth in front of whom they were demonstrating.

let's hope a few of them grow up and remember these events.

Uthark_Runa wrote: You seriously believe the law should be totally disregarded if it makes someones life a little better, without really hurting anyone?

I do. Laws that doesn't protect people shouldn't exist, and if they do, I don't see why they should be respected. But hey, that's just my "people before the system" fucked up way of looking at such matters.

FG Lurker wrote:So you have never broken a law in your life? Ah, only those minor "unimportant" laws, right? Holier than thou fucktard.

Nice response...I broke some laws when I was younger, and I got caught, and I paid the price, and I learned my lesson, and grew the fuck up, and understood why we have laws even if they seem unimportant or not. It really isn't that hard to abide by the law, really it does not take an holy~ness.

If Norikos parents were seeking asylum, or really in danger than I would feel for them. They came to Japan with the same ability to apply for residency as everyone else but failed to do so. They had a child, and now want that status just handed to them. I find it very poor for them to use their child as a bargaining chip. The poor girl is in a horrible situation.

I don't agree totally with Japans immigration laws, but I respect them as resident here. If they allow them to stay, how many more people are going to do the same thing? Then what, what kind of strain is that going to put on the country with welfare, benefits, medical etc. Not harming anyone. Look at the big picture. This is not an isolated incident.

Uthark_Runa wrote:Nice response...I broke some laws when I was younger, and I got caught, and I paid the price, and I learned my lesson, and grew the fuck up, and understood why we have laws even if they seem unimportant or not. It really isn't that hard to abide by the law, really it does not take an holy~ness.

If Norikos parents were seeking asylum, or really in danger than I would feel for them. They came to Japan with the same ability to apply for residency as everyone else but failed to do so. They had a child, and now want that status just handed to them. I find it very poor for them to use their child as a bargaining chip. The poor girl is in a horrible situation.

I don't agree totally with Japans immigration laws, but I respect them as resident here. If they allow them to stay, how many more people are going to do the same thing? Then what, what kind of strain is that going to put on the country with welfare, benefits, medical etc. Not harming anyone. Look at the big picture. This is not an isolated incident.

Good Post and points Run-chan!

Uthark_Runa wrote: If they allow them to stay, how many more people are going to do the same thing? Then what, what kind of strain is that going to put on the country with welfare, benefits, medical etc. Not harming anyone. Look at the big picture. This is not an isolated incident.

Now that's just a fucking stupid argument.
Immigrants to any country are always net contributors to the economy. Including illegals. Why do you think America cannot do anything about the 10-12 million they have? Because they are important to the economy...

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Ketou wrote:Why do you think America cannot do anything about the 10-12 million they have?

The question should be how were they allowed to get their in the first place? We're not talking about the three member family or a bar girl crew that did a sneaky pete on the immigrations people. That is 10 to 12 million as in six zeros.

Still, when a violation comes to face, the letter of the law will still prevail, regardless how unfair it may seem. Still, I think they got the break for the daughter from all the publicity.

Ketou wrote:Now that's just a fucking stupid argument.
Immigrants to any country are always net contributors to the economy. Including illegals. Why do you think America cannot do anything about the 10-12 million they have? Because they are important to the economy...

Ketou - there is not a single developed country, to my knowledge, that has an open-doors policy and lets anybody immigrate without restrictions (and this has probably been true for more than a century, is my guess). Why do all these countries have laws restricting immigration? Are they all being stupid and acting against in their best interest?

That's not a rhetorical question. I am really curious what you think. I am completely ignorant about the reasons behind immigration policy, but most countries do seem to be in line with each other about the basics. You seem to be implying they are all shooting themselves in the foot.

omae mona wrote:Ketou - there is not a single developed country, to my knowledge, that has an open-doors policy and lets anybody immigrate without restrictions (and this has probably been true for more than a century, is my guess). Why do all these countries have laws restricting immigration? Are they all being stupid and acting against in their best interest?

That's not a rhetorical question. I am really curious what you think. I am completely ignorant about the reasons behind immigration policy, but most countries do seem to be in line with each other about the basics. You seem to be implying they are all shooting themselves in the foot.

The biggest problem with immigration is the political one. Not wanting to lose control of your tribes turf is what stops most countries.
Of course letting the flood gates open and having unrestricted immigration is problematic. Especially from underdeveloped nations. There would be a strain if the state was to house an welfare all....but that is rarely the case and once working they contribute. Even the ones who do not pay taxes.
Take the EU as an example, there hasn't been any decline in the economies from open borders. (any decline now is from a fucked up banking system)

In my opinion Japan is shooting itself in the foot when it comes to immigration. They need more to keep their pathetic nezumiko nenkin and bloated bureaucracy running. I know in Australia if you had been in the country illegally for 15 years they would grant citizenship.