Whingeing bitch.

Sorry, but if you participate in gang rape, and are found guilty, expect things not to be comfortable for a while.

There are some people who who be glad to put that on their CV. STFU you whingeing Yankee barsteward.

This is where I disagree with the US legal horseshit.. I mean, assembling commerical products in a prison is one way for a prison to fund the prison. They get cheap labor and in turn can pay the prison bills from the money earned from the assembly. Prisoners get job training and "rehabilitation".

As for the straight jacket and the desk torture/ chill room... I see nothing wrong with that as long as it is used when prisoners misbehave.

Harp was a 22-year-old Marine private first class when sentenced in March 1996 with Pfc. Kendrick Ledet, 21, and Navy Seaman Marcus Gill, 23, a medic, for raping a 12-year-old girl they abducted from a street corner in Kin village, just outside Camp Hansen.

I think they should castrate all sex offenders especially in the cases of child rape.

They tied-up, duct taped, beat and gang raped a 12 year old girl. It's outrageous that they should ever be free again. All three should have been put to death a long time ago.

AssKissinger wrote:They tied-up, duct taped, beat and gang raped a 12 year old girl. It's outrageous that they should ever be free again. All three should have been put to death a long time ago.

Amen.

Couple things.

1. She was 14.

2. Remember that this is Japan.

3. Remember that they don't do forensics.

4. Remember the American south. If a white woman hollers rape against a black man, that brotha will become strange fruit. I.e. lynched.

5. I believe that she was out too long and was out and about with these guys and cried rape as opposed to face punishment at home because she lied to them about her age.

I think there is more to this story than what has been told. I believe there was some willingness on her part.

Don't be surprised if she winds up a suicide later. From guilt.

Not to stereotype GIs, but I grew up in a GI town and I knew quite a few that would date junior high girls..., cruise by skating rinks and movie theaters looking for young girls, and so on... it was sickening..

12 or 14.. does it really matter?

3 men with 1, 14 year old girl, is still statutory/gang rape even if it was consensual, at least it would be in the US, I don't know about Japan.

And funny how one pleaded guity and the other did not:

Navy Seaman Marcus D. Gill, 22, (L) pleaded guilty and Marine Private First Class Rodrigo Harp pleaded not guilty November 7 to raping a local schoolgirl in Okinawa

The same one that pleaded not guity is the one that is bitching and moaning... mmm

As for the southern comment, certainly that would have held true 50-100 years ago, these days I dunno, especially a place like Mississippi that is predominantly African American.

The lynching of African-Americans in the South was rare before the Civil War, reached a peak in 1892, increased again somewhat during the 1930s, and finally gradually disappeared after 1950.

The last mass lynching in the US, at least from what I could discover occurred in 1946 in Canebrake, Georgia.

In the American West, the last known lynching occurred in 1925 in Price, Utah.

http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1174520.html


I wasn't there, so I don't know. But indeed there probably was more to the story than meets the eye.

I know you are former military, but please don't try and justify what these guys did. Yes I know many people mistake Japanese people's ages. But as BB said there were three guys. They tied and taped her up. IT was rape out and out. No I wasn't there, but were you??
THat being said I just came back from our cities festival, one that I know you Oyaji are familiar with, and I saw lots of Misawa guys hitting on Japanese highschool and junior high school girls. Are they bad, no, but if they take it too far, then they must pay the price.

The second most tragic thing about this whole deal (the first being what happened to the girl, obviously) was the Admiral who was forced into retirement.

What for? For publicly saying the guys would've been better off just getting a prostitute.

Old dude was right, too.

CNN says she was 12.



http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9512/japan_rape

A U.S. Marine tearfully apologized in an Okinawa court on Monday for his role in a rape case that has shaken U.S.-Japan defense ties. But Pfc. Rodrico Harp insisted he did not rape the schoolgirl victim. Harp, 21, said he was pressed by another accused serviceman into taking part in the abduction of the 12-year-old girl and confessed to rape in an earlier statement to U.S. officials only because he thought he would get a lighter sentence.

I think there have definitely been some false rape accusations against foreigners in Japan that have resulted in unfair convictions but this was one was for real. It was not consensual or statutory. It was a brutal sadistic rape of a 12 year old. And it does matter that she wasn't yet 14. Because as bad as raping a 14 year old is, raping a 12 year old is worse still.

Whether she's 12 or 14, it's still the raping a child. These sick bastards got away with a light sentence.

I remember teaching in a high school around the time the rapes occurred, and the teachers wanted me to represent the U.S. in a debate about U.S. bases in Japan against students in a social studies class. I couldn't do it--I see little redemptive value in placing military bases right in the middle of the general population when crimes like this occur.

My feeling is that if you don't like the prison systems in said country, then don't rape children and get caught in that country.

A friend of mine did three days for fighting in Osaka. No charges were ever filed, but he got to sit on a concrete floor and eat rice soup 3 meals a day for 72 hours, then they just let him go.

His gutteral Japanese got better, though.

kamome wrote:I remember teaching in a high school around the time the rapes occurred, and the teachers wanted me to represent the U.S. in a debate about U.S. bases in Japan against students in a social studies class.

Lame. They should have had a Japanese take that side, and you take the other one. Debate practice isn't about entrenching set positions (American defends his country, Japanese explains their unique qualities), but about expanding the viewpoints of both the debaters and the audience.

When I was taking debate classes in high school, the students often had to take positions that they didn't agree with, but in the process of research and preparation, I'd find that things weren't as black and white as I had once believed.

Pity your Japanese colleagues didn't understand that. Having a white person visibly take an anti-base position, yet probably offering different supporting arguments, would have been a big help to the students.

the teachers wanted me to represent the U.S. in a debate about U.S. bases in Japan against students in a social studies class. I couldn't do it

Good on ya for saying no to that stupid project. Sounds like a sinister plot to turn the students against you.

cstaylor wrote:Lame. They should have had a Japanese take that side, and you take the other one.

Well, one step at a time. Remember, these were young kids who had never debated a thing in their life. The first "debate" ever between the kids and me was "Why don't foreigners like natto". Of course, it wasn't a debate--the kids in the class asked me, "How can foreigners not like natto?", and I answered, "Because it tastes bad". End of debate.

Then later on came the debate about the bases. The Japanese educational system doesn't prepare kids for argumentation, so they could barely think of an argument to justify their own position. It basically turned into a discussion about the positives and negatives.

Big Booger wrote:

Harp was a 22-year-old Marine private first class when sentenced in March 1996 with Pfc. Kendrick Ledet, 21, and Navy Seaman Marcus Gill, 23, a medic, for raping a 12-year-old girl they abducted from a street corner in Kin village, just outside Camp Hansen.

I think they should castrate all sex offenders especially in the cases of child rape.

He seems to have done himself.

Former Marine who sparked Okinawa furor is dead in suspected murder-suicide
Abduction and rape recharged opposition to U.S. bases in late 1990s
Stars and Stripes, Pacific edition, Friday, August 25, 2006
CAMP FOSTER, Okinawa -- Almost 11 years after the crime that recharged opposition to U.S. bases here, a former Marine convicted in the abduction and rape of an Okinawa schoolgirl is believed to have killed a Georgia woman before committing suicide in her apartment.
Kennesaw, Ga., police spokesman Mike Brock told Stars and Stripes on Wednesday that Kendrick Ledet, 31, of Smyrna, Ga., was discovered dead in the third-floor apartment of slain Kennesaw State University junior Lauren Cooper, 22, on Sunday....[He was] released from prison in 2003 and dishonorably discharged.....more....

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

AssKissinger wrote:How anybody came to the conclusion that this scumbag should have ever been released confounds me. How the fuck could anybody think that it's the right decision to release these fuckers back on society? I mean Japan or America or where-the-fuck ever, even if you're stupid enough to think seven years is just for destroying the psychological well-being of a little girl, still how could you fucking accept the potential for having this fucker maybe living in your neighborhood?

Here's some fun reading. Try browsing through the New Jersey Internet Sex Offender Registry. Most states have something like this. In New York, you have to register your own name to even look at the database. The New Jersey site lets you browse anonymously. Some scary stories in there. Added bonus: mug shot of the felon provided!

AssKissinger wrote: I just seriously fucking don't get why the fuck we don't just kill fuckers like this in the first place.

Say you are one of these guys and you've made up your mind to do something nasty to a kid. Once you've done the deed, you figure "If I get busted, it's the death penalty anyway. It can't get any worse". So what are you going to do the kid? I think you're going to make sure the kid's not around to tell anybody about what you did.

maninjapan wrote:Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

This does not work, the crime should have dictated a longer time (death, since forever is too short).

For those who are U.S. citizens, if you have sex and are of the age of 18 or above and are not married (to the 17 or below partner), it is illegal for you to have sex with anybody 17 and below, regardless of the 'host' (or 'pimping') country's laws. You WILL be arrested if you are found out.

kamome wrote:I see little redemptive value in placing military bases right in the middle of the general population

'Redemptive value in placing'? The 'general polulation' put its' self there to take advantage of the Yanky dollar. Now that the Yanky dollar is worthless, they want them out. It is not like 'WOW! Here's 100,000 people, this looks like a GREAT place to put a runway!'...

If this entire statement REALLY occured, I would think a change in schools is needed. They are setting you up to look bad (not necessarly as an U.S.A. but as a gaijin). What kind of 'Social Studies' class was it?

Naniwan Kid wrote:My feeling is that if you don't like the prison systems in said country, then don't rape children and get caught in that country.

I think the correct statement would be 'Don't rape children.' Who cares if you like/don't like the prison system with WHAT EVER country. The statement remains the same 'DON'T RAPE CHILDREN'.

And, maybe this is where the "If you can't do the time" part comes in...

Naniwan Kid wrote:A friend of mine did three days for fighting in Osaka.

If you can't do the time, don't come to the country! (In Japan, if push comes to shove, they can keep you for a maximum of 23 days! (Usually only a max of 21.) And they don't even have to apologize for 'detaining' you.)

cstaylor wrote:Having a white person visibly take an anti-base position, yet...

Did not understand from the original quote that 'Kamome' was a white person, but besides that, I AGREE!

Kamome wrote: Well, one step at a time. Remember, these were young kids..

Ya got to teach them to hate at a young age...

Tommybar wrote:'Redemptive value in placing'? The 'general polulation' put its' self there to take advantage of the Yanky dollar. Now that the Yanky dollar is worthless, they want them out. It is not like 'WOW! Here's 100,000 people, this looks like a GREAT place to put a runway!'...

I don't think that's how the bases were sited. Weren't some of them old Japanese bases?

On an unrelated note, I just watched the NAMBLA South Park episode and if you like this theme, you'll love that!

He probably wouldve had a worse time in a US prison

& dont they have inmates doing various manufacturing and telemarketing/telesales jobs in the US too?
+ theres defo gotta be a warden somewhere skimming some off the top just like at Shawshank..

jingai wrote:I don't think that's how the bases were sited. Weren't some of them old Japanese bases?

Most of them were. As part of the terms for surrender, all facilities which were used for, or in direct support of the war effort, went to the occupation forces, which again, were primarily US Forces.

The were some exceptions, Negishi was the original western style racecourse built in Japan. As a bit of trivia which probably don't mean shit to any one but me, it was built as a result of the Nama Mugi Jigen. Try and explain that one Mulboyne!

As Yokohama Racecourse it was made into a troop training base and as a result taken away from Japan at the end of the war. Same as Korakuen (Tokyo Dome)which although originally seized was later made into a Kyotei course and Keirin Velodrome which allowed it's return to Japanese control much quicker.

gboothe wrote:The were some exceptions, Negishi was the original western style racecourse built in Japan. As a bit of trivia which probably don't mean shit to any one but me, it was built as a result of the Nama Mugi Jigen. Try and explain that one Mulboyne!

No, I can't help you with that unless Richardson was a racing man and it was built as a tribute to him.

Funnily enough, I was reminded of that today because I just read "Storm Rider"by Akira Yoshimura a few weeks ago and I hadn't realized he had died until I saw this Yomiuri article. "Storm Rider" is a fictionalized account of the true stories of Japanese shipwreck survivors picked up by American vessels in the mid-1800s. The main character takes US citizenship and returns to Japan as a translator for the Americans and is there at the time of incidents like the Namamugi jiken. Apparently it isn't Yoshimura's best book but it is an interesting read for FGs because it is a Japanese author trying to imagine what the encounter between foreigners and Japanese would have been like at that time.

Big Booger wrote:This is where I disagree with the US legal horseshit.. I mean, assembling commerical products in a prison is one way for a prison to fund the prison. They get cheap labor and in turn can pay the prison bills from the money earned from the assembly. Prisoners get job training and "rehabilitation".

As for the straight jacket and the desk torture/ chill room... I see nothing wrong with that as long as it is used when prisoners misbehave.

I think they should castrate all sex offenders especially in the cases of child rape.

~shakes head~ i'd rather assemble cell phones and car parts then be bubba's bitch in a US cell for gang-raping a 12 year old girl. i also concur that all child-rapists/molesters should be castrated and dumped on an island together with nothing but guns n knives and nothing to do but kill each other. or we could rocket launch em into the sun.

whining white boy

Taro Toporific wrote:He seems to have done himself.

dishonorably discharged...what a load of crap. they shoulda convicted him, court-marshaled him, then taken him out back and had him executed old-school military style in a firing line.