kurogane wrote:
Havill,
You have claimed that a BBS is not the place to discuss these items in detail. Out of curiosity, where is???? (to my mind a BBS is the perfect venue, hence the question)
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kurogane wrote:
Havill,
You have claimed that a BBS is not the place to discuss these items in detail. Out of curiosity, where is???? (to my mind a BBS is the perfect venue, hence the question)
Coligny wrote:...I think the umbrella name of the concept is "being a productive member of society"
once again dirty little crab. your narrow mind twist the world into something to make you comfortable and seat you in your obsession.
wangta wrote:I think the point of all this is what the Japanese define themselves as.
Yokohammer wrote:Just passing through as I remember the incident where Takeo Hiranuma, pissed off at something Renho was saying or doing, publicly commented that "she's irrelevant anyway, because she's not a true Japanese."
Just another one that doesn't involve me personally thrown in for good measure ...
On 1 February 2006, he invoked controversy by arguing against the proposed imperial reform bill on the grounds that Princess Aiko could potentially marry and have children with a "blue-eyed foreigner" in the future.
During a speech on 17 January 2009 in the city of Okayama, Hiranuma criticized diet member Renhou Murata's support of budget cuts to Japan's supercomputer program by insinuating that she may not have Japan's best interests at heart because she is not a Japanese national by birth.
chokonen888 wrote: Don't get me started on how most Japanese (though they vehemently claim otherwise) can't tell the difference between Japanese and many other asian *races* based soley on look unless it's really obvious. Pop their bubble on a case by case basis but be aware that racial/ethnic prejudices and such aren't based on logic so don't expect to convert assholes into open-minded reasonable people by sticking it to em and working them up emotionally.
chokonen888 wrote:On 1 February 2006, he invoked controversy by arguing against the proposed imperial reform bill on the grounds that Princess Aiko could potentially marry and have children with a "blue-eyed foreigner" in the future.
During a speech on 17 January 2009 in the city of Okayama, Hiranuma criticized diet member Renhou Murata's support of budget cuts to Japan's supercomputer program by insinuating that she may not have Japan's best interests at heart because she is not a Japanese national by birth.
Yokohammer wrote:chokonen888 wrote:On 1 February 2006, he invoked controversy by arguing against the proposed imperial reform bill on the grounds that Princess Aiko could potentially marry and have children with a "blue-eyed foreigner" in the future.
During a speech on 17 January 2009 in the city of Okayama, Hiranuma criticized diet member Renhou Murata's support of budget cuts to Japan's supercomputer program by insinuating that she may not have Japan's best interests at heart because she is not a Japanese national by birth.
That's probably it.
The Google-fu is growing strong within you, Grasshopper.
chokonen888 wrote:wangta wrote:I think the point of all this is what the Japanese define themselves as.
Which, as you pointed out, is full of myths and bullshit...racially speaking that is. Just like I had to deal with assholes who were offended my by mixed background, I personally know of at least 3 Japanese men who are always getting the 「外人みたい」 treatment from other Japanese and hate it. (Hilarious in one case because he is the first to yell 「あの外人が。。。」 at FG being assholes) One of my lemurs is always getting 「やっぱりハーフですね」from people, even more so if I'm with her. Don't get me started on how most Japanese (though they vehemently claim otherwise) can't tell the difference between Japanese and many other asian *races* based soley on look unless it's really obvious. Pop their bubble on a case by case basis but be aware that racial/ethnic prejudices and such aren't based on logic so don't expect to convert assholes into open-minded reasonable people by sticking it to em and working them up emotionally.Yokohammer wrote:Just passing through as I remember the incident where Takeo Hiranuma, pissed off at something Renho was saying or doing, publicly commented that "she's irrelevant anyway, because she's not a true Japanese."
Just another one that doesn't involve me personally thrown in for good measure ...
How politicians like that stay in power is of more concern than school kids running by me daily, yelling "おっまいっが!!!"On 1 February 2006, he invoked controversy by arguing against the proposed imperial reform bill on the grounds that Princess Aiko could potentially marry and have children with a "blue-eyed foreigner" in the future.
During a speech on 17 January 2009 in the city of Okayama, Hiranuma criticized diet member Renhou Murata's support of budget cuts to Japan's supercomputer program by insinuating that she may not have Japan's best interests at heart because she is not a Japanese national by birth.
wangta wrote:I've had some really interesting discussions with decent Japanese people for years when I have worked there. But not one of the intelligent company people I taught (including at one of the best Japanese companies, a huge name and with students I found fairly open minded) could get their heads around the concept that other people have centuries of their own traditions and distinctive cultural markers. They confused the reality of different peoples losing or changing their culture with having none or very little of it in the first place.
They are not the only ones of course.
wagyl wrote:Yokohammer wrote:chokonen888 wrote:On 1 February 2006, he invoked controversy by arguing against the proposed imperial reform bill on the grounds that Princess Aiko could potentially marry and have children with a "blue-eyed foreigner" in the future.
During a speech on 17 January 2009 in the city of Okayama, Hiranuma criticized diet member Renhou Murata's support of budget cuts to Japan's supercomputer program by insinuating that she may not have Japan's best interests at heart because she is not a Japanese national by birth.
That's probably it.
The Google-fu is growing strong within you, Grasshopper.
'bout bloody time
kurogane wrote:Havill,
You have claimed that a BBS is not the place to discuss these items in detail. Out of curiosity, where is???? (to my mind a BBS is the perfect venue, hence the question)
chokonen888 wrote:wangta wrote:I've had some really interesting discussions with decent Japanese people for years when I have worked there. But not one of the intelligent company people I taught (including at one of the best Japanese companies, a huge name and with students I found fairly open minded) could get their heads around the concept that other people have centuries of their own traditions and distinctive cultural markers. They confused the reality of different peoples losing or changing their culture with having none or very little of it in the first place.
They are not the only ones of course.
I think SOP when confronted with the whole "We Japanese have a unique culture blah blah blah" is asking them to define Japanese culture and what's so unique about it. While the language wall that isolates these types from the rest of the world still exists, I'm pretty sure there are plenty of Japanese-language articles online that show how most of the examples they will undoubtedly come up with are in factre appropriated"comfort borrowed" from other cultures. As you mentioned though, they are not unique in this assery and as Wags loves pointing out, we are all ignorant to a certain extent. (so the key here is to recognize not knowing is ignorance, not knowing and making false claims is assery...but I think S. Korea still owns everyone in that regard)
kurogane wrote:Tee Hee. Mikey said Pepsi. Mikey knows Pepsi is bad word. We likes it, hey Mikey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had a go at the Unique thing a couple of weeks ago with somebody that looked like they might rise to the occasion. They failed miserably. A bit like Wangta's corporate students. Something about Japan compared to Gaikoku makes Japan unique. He had claimed to have an interest in geography. I ordered more ice cold Budweiser and soon got over it.
Coligny wrote:legion wrote:. This is to me the fundamental error of defining yourself according to nationality, you are attaching other people 's stories to yourself, and paradoxically claiming you are somehow special because you think you a part of a group of similar people.
a bit brutal here... you mean the common history of a nation don't shape its daily life and therefore the ways of its citizens ?
are you denying the existence of society ? not in the ability of people to function together. But in the regional variations and specificities influencing how they function together...
wagyl wrote:Looking over posts here, some people take on their nationality as a very important part of their identity, and like to crow about the achievements of their nuclear power industry, locomotive design and construction, and the automobile industry in their country of origin, even though they had no part in achieving that success other than happening to have been born there. For other people (although I don't think I have seen any examples on this board) their faith is what they feel establishes their identity rather than their country. But I think it goes in both directions: a person might feel that their Frenchness is an important part of what they are, but it also depends whether the people around you see you as French and think that your actions represent all Frenchmen, or whether they see you as an individual and that your actions are independent of your nationality, or in the case of the people in the street, whether they see you as anything more granular than Gaikokujin, or indeed Amerikajin. What you feel identifies you, and what other people feel identifies you, can mismatch, and maybe this is the thing that explains Debito's article.
wangta wrote:Even more ridiculous than Debito's recent rehashing of stereotypes of stereotypes of gaijin are the posters on his website who meekly accept being trashed like that. He's out of line with his responses to a few of them.
I don't mind reading a lot of the comments on his blog as many of those who post there seem to be far more rational than he is but in this case they're letting him screech on them and can them for being people who clearly are suited to living in Japan and have made significant commitments to do so.
I noted that Debito was happy to appear in one of the most idiotic and embarrassing J vlogger's videos albeit a few years back. He was interviewed by an attention seeking misfit whose name I won't mention because he doesn't need more obvious net references. That vlogger is puerile, tries to con his nerdy audience back in the US out of money, is a real gobshite to employers in Japan, slagging them off on youtube and twitter and is obsessed with J girls and how he can't get hold of one for more than a week or so. It's his life but maybe Debito needs to direct his recent megabitch outburst against that kind of gaijin. Even if what he wrote is so yesterday and so regurgitated.
kurogane wrote:People like Debito do good work, just not of the kind they or their sycophants claim.
dimwit wrote:It is avoidable.
havill wrote:P.S. Just so I'm clear, "JA" means "Japanese-American" (I'm used to the abbreviation "J-A"), not "Japan Agriculture", right?
Not 100% sure if I'm dealing with Asian-Americans or farmers.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:How many of us would enjoy Japan if we were fully accepted as Japanese and expected to behave accordingly?
Samurai_Jerk wrote:havill wrote:P.S. Just so I'm clear, "JA" means "Japanese-American" (I'm used to the abbreviation "J-A"), not "Japan Agriculture", right?
Not 100% sure if I'm dealing with Asian-Americans or farmers.
He means the latter so you are indeed dealing with a farmer.
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