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Samurai_Jerk wrote:This guy took his landlord to small claims court and won.I recently moved out of an apartment in Tokyo I'd been renting and living in for about about 2.5 years. I took good care of the place, and expected little trouble when moving out. Consequently, I was astounded and angered when I received a check-out bill for about JPY360,000 (amounting to 1.5 times the monthly rent, at the time $3,000) for cleaning and refurbisihing.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:This guy took his landlord to small claims court and won.I recently moved out of an apartment in Tokyo I'd been renting and living in for about about 2.5 years. I took good care of the place, and expected little trouble when moving out. Consequently, I was astounded and angered when I received a check-out bill for about JPY360,000 (amounting to 1.5 times the monthly rent, at the time $3,000) for cleaning and refurbisihing.
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Mike Oxlong wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:This guy took his landlord to small claims court and won.I recently moved out of an apartment in Tokyo I'd been renting and living in for about about 2.5 years. I took good care of the place, and expected little trouble when moving out. Consequently, I was astounded and angered when I received a check-out bill for about JPY360,000 (amounting to 1.5 times the monthly rent, at the time $3,000) for cleaning and refurbisihing.
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matsuki wrote:Mike Oxlong wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:This guy took his landlord to small claims court and won.I recently moved out of an apartment in Tokyo I'd been renting and living in for about about 2.5 years. I took good care of the place, and expected little trouble when moving out. Consequently, I was astounded and angered when I received a check-out bill for about JPY360,000 (amounting to 1.5 times the monthly rent, at the time $3,000) for cleaning and refurbisihing.
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Sorta....but sounds like the dude paid and then took the landlord to court to recover the BS fees. Then, agreed to still pay for a 8,000yen water filter? WTF? Why would you do that?
Pay the cleaning fee (60,000 cleaning fee?? WTF?!) and tell them you're not responsible for the rest and explain why, provide your evidence. If they disagree, it's on them to try small claims. (which is doubtful they will pursue)
Samurai_Jerk wrote:It's more likely she was holding onto his deposit. I've seen cleaning fees as much as 5 man for some newer mansions.
Yokohammer wrote:Those "cleaning fees" often don't involve any actual cleaning.
matsuki wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:It's more likely she was holding onto his deposit. I've seen cleaning fees as much as 5 man for some newer mansions.
Ahhh, don't most just use the deposit to cover your last month's rent? I never had any issues like this but I think most people I know simply don't pay the last months rent and ask them to use the deposit to cover it. Haven't heard of any disputes arising from that. (yet?)
matsuki wrote:He still asks every 2 years via a letter in the mailbox but I have never paid.
Grumpy Gramps wrote:FG + pet is going to be a hard sell, good luck!matsuki wrote:He still asks every 2 years via a letter in the mailbox but I have never paid.
Maybe you're red-flagged for this? These agencies do talk to one another, I am sure.
Grumpy Gramps wrote:Landlords can make distinctions, when they put their places to the agencies, like "FG OK but no Chinese" But once one of the agencies refused my "Pets OK, but in case of exotic animals talk to me first". They can't/don't want to do things that make them think for more than half a second. And, AFAIK, if landlord doesn't mention it specifically, default for pets/FGs is "nope". Not always the landlord's fault, often enough agencies just want to make their own life as easy as possible.
And even though we have FG/pets OK with no restriction, agency would still call and ask before showing, if Chinese FG really are OK...
39.3 percent of 2,044 respondents who applied to rent apartments over the past five years got dismissed because they are not Japanese.
Rosenhoj, a Belgian national, submitted a rental application through the university’s student co-op, which arranges apartments for its students. But he was told “matter-of-factly,” he said, that the apartment’s landlord had a no-foreigners policy and it was thus not available for him.
Angered by the move, Rosenhoj took his case to the ministry’s Kyoto bureau in June that year in the hope it would intervene. However, it was not until over a year later, in September 2014, that the bureau notified him by mail his case did not constitute a violation of his human rights.
wagyl wrote:I feel your pain. The best success I ever had was through personal contacts rather than through estate agents. You saw that place, Matsuki, and as I am sure you were aware there were reasons that that place was not suitable for the landlord to try to rent through an estate agent either. The personal introduction landlord to tenant, even through probably five degrees of separation, was crucial in my success. It didn't hurt that I was prepared to enjoy the experience of living in a 160+ year old farmhouse, and that many Japanese would avoid that at all costs, so the potential list of alternative tenants was probably zero.
Perhaps you can ask your boss to ask around in the local community there about possibilities. It can't do you any harm, and something might come to light.
legion wrote:Buy a place, if you have enough money for the deposit the repayments on a loan are cheaper than rent.
大変申し訳ありませんが、外国籍の方のご入居は難しいです。
宜しければ、ぜひ一度ご相談にいらして頂ければと思います。
ご連絡お待ちしております。
wagyl wrote:the very strength of tenant rights is part of the reason they are so cagey about who they rent out to, whether that be based on sound reasons or not.
wagyl wrote:Yeah, go ahead and make it even tougher for yourself and every other foreigner in the future. Another bad example of someone who can't be trusted to follow the rules will both make your episode of holding out in your new place a very unpleasant experience, and deny you of an opportunity to impart a positive experience on an otherwise conservative landlord class.
Coligny wrote:And don't forget to sshit on the toilet water tank too...
matsuki wrote:If we take the dog out of the equation. Are you really against having my local girl handle the acquisition and leave the part about me being furrin out? The first place we visited, the agent literally had the "eeeeeeeeeee. you didn't mention he was gaijin? This changes everything." reaction.
wagyl wrote:matsuki wrote:If we take the dog out of the equation. Are you really against having my local girl handle the acquisition and leave the part about me being furrin out? The first place we visited, the agent literally had the "eeeeeeeeeee. you didn't mention he was gaijin? This changes everything." reaction.
I am not for or against anything. I do however think it is a bad idea, because the girlfriend is left to take the flak, and the landlord can get pretty bitchy and make life in your new pad very unpleasant for you both, especially if they think that she has deliberately withheld material information for fear that that disclosure would lead to rejection. Which is precisely what she is doing. The easy word for that is fraud. This is even more so if she will not be shacking up with you. What happens when the relationship sours? Especially when she now knows just how difficult it is for you to find somewhere to live. Or do your relationships never sour?
My view is that you think this is a solution to your problem. I think it is creating a greater problem in the long term. You don't have to take my advice, however.
Mike Oxlong wrote:I suggested trying Gaijin Apartment Helper a while back. Didn't see a response. MIght be worth a shot to let them do the heavy lifting. You might not be the typical FOB noob that needs language help, but might benefit from their contacts and willingness to do the legwork.
matsuki wrote:what else can you do?
Grumpy Gramps wrote:matsuki wrote:what else can you do?
If you're on good terms with your boss, he could rent a place as "company apartment", where he can place any of his employees as needed. Might be less difficult, also for the question of guarantor.
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