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Postby matsuki » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:22 am

Met up with a long lost lemur and her friend last night for some shabu shabu and catching up...during the conversation one of those questions all FG hear over and over came up. [color="Red"]"How are Japanese [men/women] different than foreign [men/women]?"[/color] Usually I don't dip into this too much but the past few months I've had friend after friend come complaining to me about the same thing over and over. Be it their boss, coworker, date, etc. They think everything is all good and suddenly the J-person explodes and starts citing all these times they fucked up or did something wrong. The worst being a guy who's wife just asked for a divorce because "she's never liked his work." (started making claims that she thought he would change or she could change him but never once complained or said anything to him about job):wall:

Sooo I mention that many Japanese are passive aggressive. This leads into the whole, "They're just being polite" explanation and then her friend comes in with the "it's the gaijin's fault because they should recognize they're doing something wrong." I heard them out and simply suggested there were polite ways to let someone know what they're doing/saying is an issue and remedy the situation...and got the ol "it's not the Japanese way to point it out." I countered with "If the person isn't made aware there is an issue, they aren't likely to change." They maintained the their stance, offering up more politeness explanations. They even made excuses for going postal on someone for doing something wrong multiple times despite having never brought up the issue previously. You can see where this is going....Japan's unique and infallible "logic" cannot be reasoned with. "They're not being passive aggressive, they're simply being Japanese." :rolleyes:

Apparently Wikipedia agrees:

Ambiguity or speaking cryptically: a means of creating a feeling of insecurity in others or of disguising one's own insecurities.
Intentional Inefficiency: Intentionally being late and forgetting things, another way to exert control or to punish.
Convenient forgetfulness: To win any argument with a dishonest denial of actual events.
Fear of competition
Fear of dependency
Fear of intimacy as a means to act out anger: the passive–aggressive often cannot trust. Because of this, they guard themselves against becoming intimately attached to someone.
Making chaotic situations
Making excuses for non-performance in work teams
Obstructionism
Procrastination
Sulking
Victimization response: instead of recognizing one's own weaknesses, tendency to blame others for own failures.


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Anyhow, while I may not be able to convince hardcore lemurs that there are better ways to handle these types of situations, J-land passive aggressive stories always crack me up and I'm sure you guys have plenty. Please share!
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Postby cstaylor » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:39 pm

We're a small company, so we have a "lunchtime phone" role assigned to each staff member once per week. It's not a big deal: on your assigned day, you take your lunch at 1pm instead of 12 so you can cover the phones while everyone else goes to lunch.

Well, 6 people and 5 days means one person doesn't have to do it, or your assigned day shifts every week (what a pain). So I left my most senior employee off the list.

You might have thought I'd pooled everyone's bonus money and just gave it only to him by the way the rest were moaning and griping. It lead to some hard feelings; after that, my engineer refused to attend any company events where the main complainer was also present, and eventually he left the company.

Live and learn. :roll:
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Postby wagyl » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:23 pm

cstaylor wrote:stuff

Ahh yes, the famous "wa."
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Postby Level3 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:27 pm

So he quits and then there are 5 left and nobody gets the free pass?

Afraid the lesson learned by the complainer is "Problem solved, thanks to me!"

Even though it friggin isn't because the phone answering "burden" has not changed at all for the 5 remaining people.
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Postby GomiGirl » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:31 pm

There had to be more to it than that - surely.
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Postby Greji » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:35 pm

cstaylor wrote:Live and learn. :roll:

What season did he leave in? Maybe we can figure this out......
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Postby Mike Oxlong » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:54 pm

Was the complainer that good that you kept him rather than letting him go to prevent the senior engineer from leaving?
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Postby matsuki » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:57 pm

Mike Oxlong wrote:Was the complainer that good that you kept him rather than letting him go to prevent the senior engineer from leaving?


THIS, an idiot like that makes the workplace shitty for everyone.
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Postby cstaylor » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:57 pm

GomiGirl wrote:There had to be more to it than that - surely.

Yes, there's more to it than that, but it really came down to a personality conflict between my senior engineer and the chief complainer. Sometimes the employees get together without the boss, and I guess something went down there too.

Anyways, no big loss in the end; we hired a guy with a master's in computer engineering from Kyoto University as his replacement, and he doesn't take any gruff. :wink:
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Postby cstaylor » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:01 pm

Mike Oxlong wrote:Was the complainer that good that you kept him rather than letting him go to prevent the senior engineer from leaving?

Actually, the engineer flat out said, "I hate that guy; fire him" when we were out for a beer. I laughed and said, "what do you think the labor office will think about that reason for his dismissal?"

Sometimes people have to suck it up; there are crummy people in all walks of life.
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Postby Coligny » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:54 pm

cstaylor wrote:Well, 6 people and 5 days means one person doesn't have to do it, or your assigned day shifts every week (what a pain). So I left my most senior employee off the list.

ehmmm... using workweeks as timebase might have been unwise...

use sequential shifts and put the one complaining in charge of the respect of the planning... (and take a shit on his desk... of course)
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Postby Big Booger » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:16 pm

This passive aggression is precisely why I love it here. You should make inroads into trying it out. I do all the time.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:40 pm

Big Booger wrote:This passive aggression is precisely why I love it here. You should make inroads into trying it out. I do all the time.


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Postby Big Booger » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:46 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:Are you from the left coast?
Nope. But when I got here I learned to use this passive aggressive shit to my advantage. It's really a treat!
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Postby Mike Oxlong » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:06 pm

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Postby Sa_Race » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:40 pm

  • J-Boss to significant other : "you are more than welcome here whenever you want, come by, we will be happy to see you and discuss !"
  • Significant other comes to say hello and chat a bit with the team once every other week. Everyone's happy.
  • Months later a japanese employee GF drops by for like 2 minutes for something important.
  • J-Boss : "you know, we actually don't mix professional and personal business in Japan, this should not be done."

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Postby gaijinpunch » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:32 am

wagyl wrote:Ahh yes, the famous "wa."


Am I the only one that has noticed for a country (Japan) that supposedly boasts of something (wa) they don't have much of it? Seems everywhere I go nobody knows what the fuck is going on around them. Socially, of course, that's not new, but physically. In Tokyo, seems someone is always as far up my ass as they can get. I know there's shit tons of people, but c'mon... just pay attention.
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Postby yanpa » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:54 am

gaijinpunch wrote:In Tokyo, seems someone is always as far up my ass as they can get.


Not hanging out in Shinjuku 2-chome might alleviate this problem.
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Postby Coligny » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:23 am

gaijinpunch wrote:Am I the only one that has noticed for a country (Japan) that supposedly boasts of something (wa) they don't have much of it? Seems everywhere I go nobody knows what the fuck is going on around them. Socially, of course, that's not new, but physically. In Tokyo, seems someone is always as far up my ass as they can get. I know there's shit tons of people, but c'mon... just pay attention.

Tssss... like me Julie and the cat litter, claiming ignorance allow to overlook caring:

"it's an enclosed box, I could not guess cats could poop that much in a month..." (she actually said sumthing along that line... in front of mominlaw... who gave her a meme-worthy "bitch please" look... alas... no picts...)
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Postby matsuki » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:49 am

gaijinpunch wrote:Am I the only one that has noticed for a country (Japan) that supposedly boasts of something (wa) they don't have much of it?


It's like the lemurs makeup, just an image to promote while out and about. Come home and wash it off and what's underneath ain't so pretty :(
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Postby Dreamy_Peach » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:04 pm

gaijinpunch wrote:Seems everywhere I go nobody knows what the fuck is going on around them. Socially, of course, that's not new, but physically. In Tokyo, seems someone is always as far up my ass as they can get. I know there's shit tons of people, but c'mon... just pay attention.


It can only have gotten worse since the mass embrace of keitai's. Perhaps 30 years ago people actually looked where they were walking.
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Postby Mike Oxlong » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:17 pm

Dreamy_Peach wrote:It can only have gotten worse since the mass embrace of keitai's. Perhaps 30 years ago people actually looked where they were walking.

Yes. Some people text while walking, and others are decent human beings. There is no overlap.
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Postby matsuki » Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:29 pm

I want to become pen pals with Sayaka...I'll read her e-mails if she takes care of my pen.
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Postby Coligny » Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:42 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:"Passive aggressive much?"

There's a website for that: PassiveAggressiveNotes.com


You can bet that Ashley never had any inkling of Sayaka's anger before receiving this letter.

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For more than 10 years I've been a big fan of this one:

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