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Yokohammer wrote:People have mentioned that the roving NHK thugs are already asking their victims if they have a mobile phone, as if that's enough to oblige them to pay. Every trick in the freakin' book.
Do you have a mobile phone?
Do you have a computer?
Do you have a car navi?
None of your fucking business.
Or better yet, the short answer: *slam!*
wagyl wrote:Currently the prerequisite for escape is not possessing any equipment capable of receiving TV broadcast. I haven't heard yet that that requires that people remove the one-seg antenna from their mobile phone (and I will now be scolded for giving them ideas...) If they change the law so that access to NHK on demand (which is currently a service requiring registration, some parts free some parts for pay) means that you are also liable for the licence fee then you would also have to disable data to your phone as well and cut yourself off from the internet.
Yokohammer wrote:People have mentioned that the roving NHK thugs are already asking their victims if they have a mobile phone, as if that's enough to oblige them to pay. Every trick in the freakin' book.
Do you have a mobile phone?
Do you have a computer?
Do you have a car navi?
None of your fucking business.
Or better yet, the short answer: *slam!*
chokonen888 wrote:wagyl wrote:Currently the prerequisite for escape is not possessing any equipment capable of receiving TV broadcast. I haven't heard yet that that requires that people remove the one-seg antenna from their mobile phone (and I will now be scolded for giving them ideas...) If they change the law so that access to NHK on demand (which is currently a service requiring registration, some parts free some parts for pay) means that you are also liable for the licence fee then you would also have to disable data to your phone as well and cut yourself off from the internet.
While a PITA, seems you can reasonably escape then??
NHK bureaucratese wrote:放送受信契約の解約
テレビを設置した住居に誰も居住しなくなる場合や、廃棄、故障などにより、放送受信契約の対象となるテレビがすべてなくなった場合は、NHKにご連絡ください。
こうした場合以外は、放送受信契約の解約はできません。
放送受信契約の解約にあたっては、所定の届出書をご提出いただきます。
NHKで届出書の記入内容を確認のうえ、受信契約を解約します。
お届けのあった前月まで、放送受信料のお支払いが必要です。
wagyl wrote:NHK bureaucratese wrote:放送受信契約の解約
テレビを設置した住居に誰も居住しなくなる場合や、廃棄、故障などにより、放送受信契約の対象となるテレビがすべてなくなった場合は、NHKにご連絡ください。
こうした場合以外は、放送受信契約の解約はできません。
放送受信契約の解約にあたっては、所定の届出書をご提出いただきます。
NHKで届出書の記入内容を確認のうえ、受信契約を解約します。
お届けのあった前月まで、放送受信料のお支払いが必要です。
https://pid.nhk.or.jp/jushinryo/about_5.html
Yokohammer wrote:wagyl wrote:NHK bureaucratese wrote:放送受信契約の解約
テレビを設置した住居に誰も居住しなくなる場合や、廃棄、故障などにより、放送受信契約の対象となるテレビがすべてなくなった場合は、NHKにご連絡ください。
こうした場合以外は、放送受信契約の解約はできません。
放送受信契約の解約にあたっては、所定の届出書をご提出いただきます。
NHKで届出書の記入内容を確認のうえ、受信契約を解約します。
お届けのあった前月まで、放送受信料のお支払いが必要です。
https://pid.nhk.or.jp/jushinryo/about_5.html
Jeez, what an onerous, one-sided, feudal, unrealistic load of swill.
The only way to deal with this is to not enter into a contract with these tyrants in the first place.
Basically, unless your house is destroyed and every last piece of gear that has the potential to pick up a TV signal is gone you cannot cancel the contract. And even then they're going to have to consider it. Of course you could die, that'd be another way.
I bet they'd even put up a fight if they believed you had the capacity to go out and buy a TV (or a keitai, or a computer) after they cancelled the contract.
Russell wrote:I read it in a different way.
If you get rid of your TV, then contact NHK. They do not deny that it will be possible to cancel your contract.
I think it is best to show a proof that you got rid of your TV. When you go out to dispose of an old TV, you have to pay a fee, and you get a document in return. That document could be useful to submit to NHK as proof that you threw out your TV.
Yokohammer wrote:Russell wrote:I read it in a different way.
If you get rid of your TV, then contact NHK. They do not deny that it will be possible to cancel your contract.
I think it is best to show a proof that you got rid of your TV. When you go out to dispose of an old TV, you have to pay a fee, and you get a document in return. That document could be useful to submit to NHK as proof that you threw out your TV.
They're saying it's possible, but only under the conditions stipulated by them, and that includes a complete absence of any device that is capable of receiving a TV signal.
If you have a keitai that might be able to receive one-seg, you're fucked.
If you have a computer that you could plug a one-seg dongle into, you're probably fucked.
If you have a navigation system in your car that just happens to have a one-seg receiver built in, you're fucked.
And that's even if you've never used or even considered using the TV reception capabilities of those devices.
So, you'd have to be living in a cave, cut off from all contact with the outside world.
Also note: 「NHKで届出書の記入内容を確認のうえ、受信契約を解約します。」
They're not simply saying they'll cancel the contract if you submit the form. That sentence can be construed to mean they'll simply check that the form has been filled in properly, it can also mean that they'll consider cancelling the contract based on the form's content. They have the final say. The contractee is at their mercy.
EDIT: And your recycle receipt doesn't prove that you no longer have a TV. It just proves that you have recycled a TV. I doubt they'd accept that without a fight.
Russell wrote:Hmm, dunno what a one-seg dongle is, but I only have a laptop at home, and I cannot receive TV on it. Is one-seg dongle some kind of card that can be put in a desk-top or so?
Seems my son's keitai is able to receive TV, but all others are not. How can NHK check this?
Only car navi I have is a paper map.
Did I tell you I live in a cave?
It is only because the missus insists on paying NHK's fee that we do, but otherwise I would want to get out fast. That is really fast. It would be a good excuse to throw out our TV...
Yokohammer wrote:I don't know if NHK makes a distinction between a computer that has a one-seg dongle plugged in and one that doesn't.
Ol Dirty Gaijin wrote:In this day and age, why don't they put their garbage on a cable/bs station and have it as opt in purchase?
wagyl wrote:I think 'Hammer is confusing the "things they say to convince you to sign the contract" with the "actual things that are necessary for the contract." These are two very different things, and this is a large part of the bad blood about the collection methods.
Yes, the NHK collection people do ask about computers with tuners and car navigation, but a lot if not all of that is just to shame you into signing up. When it comes to the documents for cancelling the contract, the fact that you no longer have a television is apparently enough, at this stage. Things may change in the future.
wagyl wrote:OK, this made me dig deeper. Someone has put a copy of the contract cancellation form online.
http://sollasido.com/wp/wp-content/uplo ... 130127.jpg
It states that you are not able to cancel the contract if you have a PC with a tuner, a video recording device, or a mobile with a one-seg antenna.
I get pie for dinner tonight! (even if it is humble)
wagyl wrote:Hammer, are you sitting down? Are your blood pressure pills up to date?
It looks like when you get mail redirected to your new address at the post office, the new forms have a carbon copy which gets sent to NHK, "for your convenience."
http://www.asyura2.com/12/hihyo13/msg/703.html
So far, the only saving grace is that the Diet failed to set a penalty for those who fail to enter into a contract with NHK.
Y! wrote:NHK受信料、5年で時効=最高裁が初判断
Samurai_Jerk wrote: Anyway, I wonder in a case like mine where my TV broke and no longer receives a signal but I still use it as a monitor for my DVD player if I'm supposed to be paying.
wangta wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote: Anyway, I wonder in a case like mine where my TV broke and no longer receives a signal but I still use it as a monitor for my DVD player if I'm supposed to be paying.
Do you really give a fuck about this kind of bullshit? It's bad enough NHK run the other bullshit re tvs that work but for you to actually be voicing this about a fucking broken tv used as a monitor and what NHK thinks about it tells me you need to take a break from Japan.
The government may make requests to NHK that affect its international services by promoting state views on political issues, Sanae Takaichi, new minister of internal affairs and communications, said.
“It is possible to make requests to transmit correct information on Japanese territories and other issues and to underscore the good points of Japan,” Takaichi said in an interview Friday.
The new minister was apparently referring to the sovereignty disputes over the Japanese-controlled Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea, claimed by China and Taiwan, and the South Korean-held islets of Dokdo, which Japan claims as Takeshima, in the Sea of Japan, which Seoul calls the East Sea.
In the next breath, however, Takaichi said the public broadcaster can make its own decisions on whether to meet such requests.
In 2006, then-communications minister Yoshihide Suga took the controversial step of ordering NHK to increase international radio coverage of the abduction issue, which concerns Japanese kidnapped in the 1970s and 1980s by North Korean spies. Following the public outcry, Japan in 2007 revised the broadcast law and weakened the minister’s authority to make such requests to NHK less-binding.
Takaichi said her ministry will also discuss the possibility of supporting NHK so it can provide its international TV service in all six official languages used by the United Nations.
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In 2006, then-communications minister Yoshihide Suga took the controversial step of ordering NHK to increase international radio coverage of the abduction issue, which concerns Japanese kidnapped in the 1970s and 1980s by North Korean spies. Following the public outcry, Japan in 2007 revised the broadcast law and weakened the minister’s authority to make such requests to NHK less-binding.
Last year, we brought you news of a court ruling in Yokohama which stipulated that anyone who owns a device capable of receiving a TV signal, regardless of whether they’ve entered into a contract with NHK (Japan’s public broadcasting station) or not, is legally obligated to pay the NHK licensing fee. An important point to note is that the fees are only paid once per household, and not according to the number of TV sets or devices capable of receiving a signal in the house.
However, a recent court decision seems to be taking the issue of NHK licensing fees in a whole new direction. On October 9, the Tokyo District Court ruled in a first-of-its-kind lawsuit that the management company behind three Tokyo hotels must first enter into a contract with the public broadcaster. Furthermore, the hotels, all three of which had refused to enter into contracts despite repeated requests from NHK, must also pay their overdue licensing fees in proportion to the number of hotel rooms with TVs.
While many people (Japanese included) flat-out refuse to pay the monthly fees, maintaining that even though they own a TV, they never watch NHK broadcasts anyway, the recent ruling by Tokyo District Court Judge Kenkichi Sakuma identifies a section in the Japanese Broadcast Act which states that any individual who is the owner of a device capable of TV reception is technically bound by obligation to enter into a contract with NHK.
As a result, he ordered the hotels to both open a contract with NHK and to pay their unpaid fees from the period of August 2013 through May 2014 according to the number of TV-equipped rooms in the hotels.
According to Asahi Digital, the hotels have approximately 280 rooms with television sets, along with units in the dining area and other locations. Taking these numbers into account, the total unpaid licensing fees that the hotels’ management company must pay adds up to a staggering 6.21 million yen.
Whether you’re an avid viewer of NHK or not, perhaps this comment from a Japanese Internet user sums up the entire court decision best: “It’s a great win for the electronic yakuza.”
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