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病院は1月27日夜、書面で改めて経緯を説明した。それによると、2人の医師の判断で緊急に治療する必要がない旨の説明をした。その後、以下のような経過をたどったという。
(1)この説明に対し患者の父親は納得せず、入院希望、症状の原因特定、更には急変時の責任の所在や診断書の作成等を執拗に迫ってきた。
(2)診断書は正確を期すため、実施できる検査に限りがある夜間救急では、書かないルールとなっていることを説明するが納得しなかった。
(3)万全を期すため小児科医を呼び出し、専門医からも病状と対処について説明するも、耳を貸さず、大声で自己主張を繰り返すのみ。
自分の大声や言葉に更に興奮し、医師に食ってかかる態度を繰り返した。
(4)その後一人の医師が父親に対し、不適切な言葉をつぶやいた。
(5)その言葉に反応し、患者の父親は当該医師の胸ぐらをつかみ、両手で突き飛ばした。
(6)この後から患者様のご家族は、スマホとタブレット計2台で動画の撮影を始めた。
(7)これについて、当該医師は不適切な発言を反省し、謝罪した
http://www.j-cast.com/2015/01/27226360.html?p=2
I asked him to stop and he shoved me away, looked at my daughter and said 'I wish you die'. He really looked at my 6 year old daughter Sara, and said that (Kusso Shine),
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Even if the father was being an unreasonable douche bag and started it, there's no reason not to treat the daughter or help them get to a place that can if you can't. Disgusting.
legion wrote:(4)その後一人の医師が父親に対し、不適切な言葉をつぶやいた。
So the "fuck off and die" was at the father, not the daughter?I asked him to stop and he shoved me away, looked at my daughter and said 'I wish you die'. He really looked at my 6 year old daughter Sara, and said that (Kusso Shine),
So who do you believe?
If the daughter was critically ill what was the father doing giving a lecture on medical ethics on video, shot at multiple angles? Whipping out the tablet PC to record the incident would not have been at the top of my list of priorities.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:legion wrote:(4)その後一人の医師が父親に対し、不適切な言葉をつぶやいた。
So the "fuck off and die" was at the father, not the daughter?I asked him to stop and he shoved me away, looked at my daughter and said 'I wish you die'. He really looked at my 6 year old daughter Sara, and said that (Kusso Shine),
So who do you believe?
If the daughter was critically ill what was the father doing giving a lecture on medical ethics on video, shot at multiple angles? Whipping out the tablet PC to record the incident would not have been at the top of my list of priorities.
Given the Brazilian dude's lack of Japanese ability it's very believable he didn't really understand who was saying what to who. Either way it sounds like the doctard was being an unprofessional asshole.
chokonen888 wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:legion wrote:(4)その後一人の医師が父親に対し、不適切な言葉をつぶやいた。
So the "fuck off and die" was at the father, not the daughter?I asked him to stop and he shoved me away, looked at my daughter and said 'I wish you die'. He really looked at my 6 year old daughter Sara, and said that (Kusso Shine),
So who do you believe?
If the daughter was critically ill what was the father doing giving a lecture on medical ethics on video, shot at multiple angles? Whipping out the tablet PC to record the incident would not have been at the top of my list of priorities.
Given the Brazilian dude's lack of Japanese ability it's very believable he didn't really understand who was saying what to who. Either way it sounds like the doctard was being an unprofessional asshole.
Somehow I think "kusoshine" isn't on the SOP flowcharts
I'm still unsure that it was a racial thing as is being claimed...just seems like an arrogant as fuck asshole doctor that needs to be put in his place.
Russell wrote:Isn't there a medical board in Japan where he can file a complaint?
Wage Slave wrote:Russell wrote:Isn't there a medical board in Japan where he can file a complaint?
That's what I was wondering. There is enough to justify an investigation on the grounds of clinical competency - never mind the appalling language. I honestly thought the hospital were going to say there wasn't a bed available or some such. But no, apparently one or both of the doctors decided she wasn't in need of urgent treatment and presumably told the family to take her home and to their normal doctor when s/he was available. She was then, according to the father, taken to another hospital, admitted and treated for a serious infection. That, if true, is actually more serious than the abusive language. It constitutes a danger to the public.
Russell wrote:Isn't there a medical board in Japan where he can file a complaint?
from the dads words
Here, she was immediately admitted with an infection, hemorrhage in her blood vessels, a virus and a very powerful bacteria. Thank God she's fine. She's been in medical care for three weeks now, and the doctors said if help came any later, she could have died.
三女はその後、浜松市内の病院で、小さな血管に炎症が起こる紫斑病の疑いと診断され三日間入院した。
http://www.chunichi.co.jp/article/shizu ... 00084.html
Takechanpoo wrote:lies.....it was nothing more than slight degree infection.
although it seems like the brazilian dad is a pastor, its a lying pastor.三女はその後、浜松市内の病院で、小さな血管に炎症が起こる紫斑病の疑いと診断され三日間入院した。
http://www.chunichi.co.jp/article/shizu ... 00084.html
according to chunichi shinbun, "afterwards in another hospital in hamamatsu, the third daughter were diagnosed with Purpura which causes inflammation to blood vessels and were in hospital for 3 days"
Takechanpoo wrote:there are a lot of brazilians in west shizuoka area and part of them are gangnized or mafianized over there after Lehman shock. native ppl around there do hate them. new derogatory words are established. "ブラ公(burakou)" "ブラジ(buraji)" and also brazilian side has hostilities toward natives too. there are those piled mutual hostilities behind this incident.
chokonen888 wrote:The doctor should feel lucky he didn't get a Brazillian papa with less self control...
Samurai_Jerk wrote:chokonen888 wrote:The doctor should feel lucky he didn't get a Brazillian papa with less self control...
You're right. As we all know Latin people are violent savages.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:You're right. As we all know Latin people are violent savages.
wagyl wrote:Choko: serious question. Is violence ever a solution?
I don't count "you feeling better" as a solution.
chokonen888 wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:chokonen888 wrote:The doctor should feel lucky he didn't get a Brazillian papa with less self control...
You're right. As we all know Latin people are violent savages.
That's not what I was implying.
most of the Brazilians I know would have come close to murdering a doctor that said that to one of their children.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:chokonen888 wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:chokonen888 wrote:The doctor should feel lucky he didn't get a Brazillian papa with less self control...
You're right. As we all know Latin people are violent savages.
That's not what I was implying.
Except you implied it twice.most of the Brazilians I know would have come close to murdering a doctor that said that to one of their children.
Maybe you just meant Brazilians though. Not Latin people in general.
legion wrote:I think the father has embellished his story for effect.
The diagnosis is key, if a misdiagnosis put the child at risk it is serious. But two doctors saw her and said it could wait. They took issue, tempers got frayed.
If the hospital was covering up a misdiagnosis we should be concerned, but one over tired young doctor with a potty mouth on the late shift for me comes under the category of shit happens. Mark it down, move on.
I wonder if the issue of payment came up before the cameras started rolling. Cover for children varies from place to place, some areas it is free up to elementary school, some it is subsidised after the first year. Perhaps the build up to this involved a discussion about cover or cash deposits. Not a comfortable conversation, but hospitals have to stick to their guns or why would anyone bother with health insurance.
according to chunichi shinbun, "afterwards in another hospital in hamamatsu, the third daughter were diagnosed with Purpura which causes inflammation to blood vessels and were in hospital for 3 days"
legion wrote:I've always been happy with the doctors here...
legion wrote:but if you spent you days distributing medicine to bored grandmas, how would you feel?
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