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kurogane wrote:given what a tiny tempest in a miniature teacup racial discrimination in Japan actually is I would argue that aggressive legislative remedies would only get them to hunker down. Since 0.5 of 10 people in Japan are Real Foreigners (no Zainichi, please) the incidences of it are so relatively miniscule it would be widely regarded as a pandering overreaction to a largely non-existent problem.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:They may have fucked with the wrong guy. I've read a few different things in Japanese and Mo isn't just some bullshit "international" journalist. He's been in Japan for decades, used to be a Japanese professor in China, got his MA and PhD in Japan, and some articles have claimed he's a naturalized citizen of Japan. He's also hosted a show on NHK in the past and seems to be a bit of a social activist. Plus, it seems the restaurant has policy of trying to keep the number of foreign customers to 50% or less to maintain the atmosphere.
chokonen888 wrote:Even without a huge number of foreigners physically here, is it not worth prying open closed minds? Shimaguni and all, they're still on the same planet....sorta.
chokonen888 wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:They may have fucked with the wrong guy.
Cyka UchuuJin wrote:Seems like the outrage will spread for awhile...
https://www.facebook.com/TokyoCheapo?fref=nf
At least Tokyo Cheapo offers alternatives instead of just bitching about it.
I'm kinda 'eh' on the whole subject. It's just another version of the 'no gaijin' onsen policies. Japan is a mean kid who throws rocks at people for no reason, it's almost part of the charm.
Disappointed to hear that Jiro's turns foreigners away, especially since he was all too happy to take the dollah dollah to have a documentary made about his place.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Cyka UchuuJin wrote:Seems like the outrage will spread for awhile...
https://www.facebook.com/TokyoCheapo?fref=nf
At least Tokyo Cheapo offers alternatives instead of just bitching about it.
I'm kinda 'eh' on the whole subject. It's just another version of the 'no gaijin' onsen policies. Japan is a mean kid who throws rocks at people for no reason, it's almost part of the charm.
Disappointed to hear that Jiro's turns foreigners away, especially since he was all too happy to take the dollah dollah to have a documentary made about his place.
Is Jiro doing it too or did you just make a mistake because that article was about Mizutani?
Cyka UchuuJin wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:Cyka UchuuJin wrote:Seems like the outrage will spread for awhile...
https://www.facebook.com/TokyoCheapo?fref=nf
At least Tokyo Cheapo offers alternatives instead of just bitching about it.
I'm kinda 'eh' on the whole subject. It's just another version of the 'no gaijin' onsen policies. Japan is a mean kid who throws rocks at people for no reason, it's almost part of the charm.
Disappointed to hear that Jiro's turns foreigners away, especially since he was all too happy to take the dollah dollah to have a documentary made about his place.
Is Jiro doing it too or did you just make a mistake because that article was about Mizutani?
Somewhere else in the thread (or in one of the linked articles) it was mentioned that Jiro was also refusing foreigners.
edit: it's in the comments of the original linked article, citing that they do it because foreigners don't have the proficiency or patience to translate the menu. might be complete speculation though, but i can see it happening.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Cyka UchuuJin wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:Cyka UchuuJin wrote:Seems like the outrage will spread for awhile...
https://www.facebook.com/TokyoCheapo?fref=nf
At least Tokyo Cheapo offers alternatives instead of just bitching about it.
I'm kinda 'eh' on the whole subject. It's just another version of the 'no gaijin' onsen policies. Japan is a mean kid who throws rocks at people for no reason, it's almost part of the charm.
Disappointed to hear that Jiro's turns foreigners away, especially since he was all too happy to take the dollah dollah to have a documentary made about his place.
Is Jiro doing it too or did you just make a mistake because that article was about Mizutani?
Somewhere else in the thread (or in one of the linked articles) it was mentioned that Jiro was also refusing foreigners.
edit: it's in the comments of the original linked article, citing that they do it because foreigners don't have the proficiency or patience to translate the menu. might be complete speculation though, but i can see it happening.
Their up-to-date English homepage seems to indicate otherwise but who knows?
If Mizutani would join the twentieth century and start accepting credit cards it wouldn't be a problem. I'm also not sure how using a hotel or credit card company concierge service would solve the problem. If I'm a no show, it's not like they're liable for the loss either.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:I know quite a few Japanese people who like sushi but don't like going to sushi-ya because the etamae are often stuck up pricks.
Mike Oxlong wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:I know quite a few Japanese people who like sushi but don't like going to sushi-ya because the etamae are often stuck up pricks.
Were you thinking about edamame while typing?
Takechanpoo wrote:look at related 2ch thread.
you can find some bitchings about famous shukiyabashi jiro.
according to it, jiros jiji treats powerfull ppl, celebs with warm hospitality while he(they) openly treats strange general customers(of course its japanese) slightingly.
kurogane wrote: I have been to more than a few Sushi and French crap places like that and will not be back. That Yuppy Striver masochism makes my teeth burn.
Samurai_Jerk wrote: There are a lot of super cheap shitamachi places that are the same though. I've been to a couple and I've noticed the mostly blue-collar regulars get off on knowing the rules. I think it makes them feel like they're part of the type of exclusive club they could never afford to join.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:There are a lot of super cheap shitamachi places that are the same though. I've been to a couple and I've noticed the mostly blue-collar regulars get off on knowing the rules. I think it makes them feel like they're part of the type of exclusive club they could never afford to join.
kurogane wrote:The clubbiness for sure, but also I think it gives that ilk a chance to piss rather than get pissed on. People like that always evoke Cliff Clavin from Cheers. Most of the pubs in your favourite ski resort Whistler are the same. I am not a huge fan of plebs in general, but I can sort of get it: they're not usually the most reflexive or enlightened sorts, and that seems to be the way their world works. All the construction work I ever did was like that. Nice enough but kinda cuntish guys in general. And touchy as a fat slow 8 year old momma's boy almost to a one; a lot like the Shitamachi boys you mentioned. What really dumbfounds me is how often very highly paid well educated professionals seem to crave that sense of clubbiness and exclusivity, not to mention the crappy abusive service.
Having said that, my mostest favouritest ever Yakiniku hole in the wall has that aspect to it, but the Kimchi is simply to die for. Maybe I just can't abide paying a lot for uncooked fish???? I do agree with what Takechan said above. Other than the ambience and the presentation I can rarely tell between what I considered overpriced Sushi and nicer middle rank stuff. I try not to eat at the chain places. Something about their prices just scream Thermometer Juice.
kurogane wrote:All good points, esp. about the difference between that sort of Shaki Shaki Edokko teasing and plain old crappy service, especially the haughty style that the yuppies love. I have taken a few picky eater friends to cheaper good places like that and the next visit I always got a pretty good dressing down, but it was more of an inclusive You Should Know Better than snottiness, especially with the thin margins they have, as you said.
Anyways, for a friendly ball busting I recommend this place in Sakuradai on the Seibu Ikebukuro Line. It might be out of your way, but the couple is really nice and there is a definite Shitamachi Chaki Chaki vibe with really good properly priced fish. My ex is from Bumpkinland where fresh fish is cheap and clean and she always raved about it.
http://uogashi-sushi.com/
FAO Yanpa: I think that's out your way, non!??? Highly recommended though I haven't been since His Majesty was lithe and spry.
WARNING: do not tell the chef you like lots of wasabi. That was the only time I felt like he was fucking with me, because we ended up with inedible pieces we had to pay for anyways, though his wife dressed him down a few times and made him make up for it so maybe it's all part of the act.
In order to reserve a seat at the tiny Sukiyabashi Jiro, you’ll not only have to book a month in advance, but also have a Japanese local (a friend or your hotel concierge) vouch for you. To confirm your reservation, your Japanese contact needs to deliver ¥20,000 (about $200) to Jiro himself.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Maybe this is what Babushka Cyka was talking about.In order to reserve a seat at the tiny Sukiyabashi Jiro, you’ll not only have to book a month in advance, but also have a Japanese local (a friend or your hotel concierge) vouch for you. To confirm your reservation, your Japanese contact needs to deliver ¥20,000 (about $200) to Jiro himself.
Of course just because Yahoo News said it doesn't mean it's true.
Yokohammer wrote:Sone interesting comments about Jiro's joint:
The Man Who Has Eaten At Every Michelin 3-Star Restaurant Says The 'Jiro Dreams Of Sushi' Spot Is Not Worth The Hype
While there's no question that diners are eating some of the freshest and most perfectly prepared fish
Foreigners who don’t speak Japanese, known as gaijin, have a hard time getting a reservation
Samurai_Jerk wrote:While there's no question that diners are eating some of the freshest and most perfectly prepared fish
Yeah, but that kind of tells you the person who wrote it doesn't really know what she's talking about.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Foreigners who don’t speak Japanese, known as gaijin, have a hard time getting a reservation
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