why everybody hates japan

[homesweethome]

Djgizmo asks:

As for selfish, what about aid to the U.N.?

This question really bothered me, so I checked some things out and posted what I found in a seperate thread "Why Japan's UN SC Seat Bid Failed" If I am wrong, I really would like to know why, and not just be called names like: " f*kng hypocrite/Archie Bunker/KKK white sheet"/ etc. Not that you, DJ did of course.
Yoroshiku

[dingosatemybaby]

this is getting out of hand. take this clan rally somewhere else.

Criticism of Japan for its failure to apoligize for its fascist past is a "clan rally"? Go back to your J-porn, little man. You're in over your little head here.

-dingo
-not suffering apoligists for fascism gladly

[Andocrates]

this is getting out of hand. take this clan rally somewhere else.

Criticism of Japan for its failure to apoligize for its fascist past is a "clan rally"? Go back to your J-porn, little man. You're in over your little head here.

Good luck effecting national change from an internet message board named "Fucked Gaijin."

[Greji]

this is getting out of hand. take this clan rally somewhere else.

Criticism of Japan for its failure to apoligize for its fascist past is a "clan rally"? Go back to your J-porn, little man. You're in over your little head here.

Good luck effecting national change from an internet message board named "Fucked Gaijin."

You mean we can't do that? Somebody better tell Rob! He'll be crushed!

[homesweethome]

Androgenes:

Good luck effecting national change from an internet message board named "Fucked Gaijin."

Daring ideas are like chessmen moved forward; they may be beaten, but they may start a winning game.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Great things are not done by impulse, but by a series of small things brought together.
George Eliot

Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person.
Mother Teresa

Have no fear Rob, you are not alone.

[dingosatemybaby]

Androgenous does have a point, however:

[homesweethome]

Dingo:

Androgenous does have a point, however: how does the old canard go? - "Winning an argument on the internet is like winning in the Special Olympics - you're still retarded."

I know and I know: tell me something I don't know

HSH

[Tsuru]

Androgenous does have a point, however:

Ah yes, the old forum classic.

Even though you are right and I am wrong, I'm still going to call you a retard.

[dingosatemybaby]

Androgenous does have a point, however:

Ah yes, the old forum classic.

Even though you are right and I am wrong, I'm still going to call you a retard.

"Right" and "wrong"? You mean, like, in a biblical sense? Is that what's at stake here!? Jeebus, wish I'd known!

[Tsuru]

Maybe

[dingosatemybaby]

Maybe

Doubt it.

[Somerandomgaijin]

So what's everyone drinking tonight?
Asahi?
Kirin?
Suntory?
Sapporo?
Chuhai?
Osake?
Sojo?
Shochu?
Other?

[Greji]

So what's everyone drinking tonight?
Asahi?
Kirin?
Suntory?
Sapporo?
Chuhai?
Osake?
Sojo?
Shochu?
Other?

Correct Answer:

d. All of the above

[blackcat]

"I think it would be more accurate to say "ignorant". Especially ignorant of how Chinese and Koreans still seem to remember a war that happened 60 years ago. "

What are you on? Ignorant yes, japanese are I agree... but The Chinese and Koreans are supposed to just FORGET when many are still alive?

60 years is not long as far as history goes...when many see japanese men going on sex tours today in the countries their fathers invaded, what a shameless nation.

AID is a different issue as I was talking about history and what people learn from it.

Japan has learnt nothing.

[djgizmoe]

"I think it would be more accurate to say "ignorant". Especially ignorant of how Chinese and Koreans still seem to remember a war that happened 60 years ago. "

What are you on? Ignorant yes, japanese are I agree... but The Chinese and Koreans are supposed to just FORGET when many are still alive?

Whoops, I guess my sarcasm wasn't coming through. Maybe I should have put a at the end of the post. You, of course, are right.

On the other hand, I'm sure glad my grandmothers (who both lived through World War II, and both had friends or relatives killed by either the Germans or Japanese) have gotten over it though, or they might have been really pissed off about me marrying a Japanese woman...

[blackcat]

djgizmoe

sorry dide didnt pick that up....as for your last sentence same here..

[Kurofune]

TOKYO Japan intends to press Condoleezza Rice, the U.S. secretary of state, during her visit Tuesday for American help in resolving the cases of Japanese citizens kidnapped decades ago by North Korean agents, a government official said Monday

How exactly is this the US' concern? The only common point Japan and the US ever had in this issue is when Jenkins surfaced, and that has been resolved.

[homesweethome]

Kurofune wrote:

How is this a US concern

I'm not sure either but don't you think it's a lot of "I'll scratch your back this time, you scratch mine next." Japan expended a lot of political capital to get Jenkins out and persuade the US military to go easy on him. Now Tokyo want the US to put more pressure on the North Koreans for getting back the bleached bones of a few of its people. This is what the Japanese electorate want anyway. A lot of pressure on Koizumi to do something, anything.

[dingosatemybaby]

Kurofune wrote:

How is this a US concern

I'm not sure either but don't you think it's a lot of "I'll scratch your back this time, you scratch mine next." Japan expended a lot of political capital to get Jenkins out and persuade the US military to go easy on him. Now Tokyo want the US to put more pressure on the North Koreans for getting back the bleached bones of a few of its people. This is what the Japanese electorate want anyway. A lot of pressure on Koizumi to do something, anything.

Well, they could slap a trade formal trade embargo on NK. Wonder why they haven't done that yet? Remittances from zainichi kitachosenjin in Japan, mostly from pachinko profits, it is said, have put a lot of sushi on Li'l Kim's table and a lot of bullets in his guns.

[homesweethome]

Dingo:

Wonder why they haven't done that yet?

That's the A-Bomb of diplomatic relations. Japan figures it can get what it wants by other means, having the US put a little military pressure on Kim Jong Ill, A few overflights, some aircraft carrier based harrassment in cooperation with the South Korean Allies, lighting up electronically (for bombing) Kim's coutry house. Anything they can imagine is much much more cost effective for Tokyo, low risk, and drives 'em crazy in PyongYang trying to figure out what's going on while looking for candles to light.

Doesn't even get in the papers, but happens all the time.

[Kurofune]

Kurofune wrote:

How is this a US concern

I'm not sure either but don't you think it's a lot of "I'll scratch your back this time, you scratch mine next." Japan expended a lot of political capital to get Jenkins out and persuade the US military to go easy on him. Now Tokyo want the US to put more pressure on the North Koreans for getting back the bleached bones of a few of its people.

Japan got Jenkins out of NK for Soga's sake, not the US'. It resulted in the US getting some intelligence and being able to try Jenkins, but that was small potatoes from the US's perspective and doesn't amount to a political obligation. My larger concern is that the US move to more of a Swiss style of foreign relations, so I want to see this we-need-the-US stuff stopped.

[Mulboyne]

My larger concern is that the US move to more of a Swiss style of foreign relations

That would be interesting. The Swiss constitution is quite explicit on foreign policy objectives: (1) to promote peaceful coexistence; (2)promote respect for human rights, democracy, and the rule of the law; (3)work for Swiss overseas economic interests, (4) alleviate poverty in the world; (5) preserve natural resources.

[Samurai_Jerk]

My larger concern is that the US move to more of a Swiss style of foreign relations

That would be interesting. The Swiss constitution is quite explicit on foreign policy objectives: (1) to promote peaceful coexistence]

Don't forget (6): to be a country full of pussies that won't even fight for a just cause but will accept war spoils from genocidal facists.

[homesweethome]

Kurofune:

Japan got Jenkins out of NK for Soga's sake, not the US'.

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/050717/kyodo/d8bd35ug0.html

(Kyodo) _ Japan will take up North Korea's abductions of Japanese citizens at the upcoming six-party nuclear talks but will use mild expressions in calling for a solution so as not to provoke Pyongyang, government sources said Sunday.

The government judged it necessary to bring up the issue at the six-way talks planned to be resumed in Beijing in the week starting July 25, due to strong public opinion in Japan, the sources said.

Because of "strong public opinion in Japan" from the country that got Hiroshima and Nagasaki, now Japan is saying "A few of our people are more important than nuclear weapons", holy cow! More Japanese die in Australia (or died from 1999-2003 according to:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb1385/is_200301/ai_n5650867?cm_ven=Y&cm_ite=PI

than have ever been abducted.

Do I detect a little impatience with the other 5 countries coming to Beijing? Like SHUT UP YOUR MOUTHand pay attention to what is really important.

[Kurofune]

China has said the abductions are a bilateral issue between Japan and North Korea, while South Korea and Russia believe the six-way talks should be limited to discussions about the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

There it is.

That would be interesting. The Swiss constitution is quite explicit on foreign policy objectives: (1) to promote peaceful coexistence; (2)promote respect for human rights, democracy, and the rule of the law; (3)work for Swiss overseas economic interests, (4) alleviate poverty in the world; (5) preserve natural resources.

Switzerland is known for its noninterventionism, which is obviously what I was talking about.

My desire for the US' return to noninterventionism aside, it makes no sense for the US to get involved with the abduction talks. The moment the US lends its support, NK will tighten up, get bellicose, and will turn it into a play for money. Japan made good headway in the previous talks concerning the five abductees, and it's doubtful it would've gone as smoothly if the US had been involved.

[Mulboyne]

Switzerland is known for its noninterventionism, which is obviously what I was talking about.

Switzerland is known for its neutrality which the US cannot become but it can adopt an isolationist foreign policy as it has in the past.

[homesweethome]

Kim Jong II is pissed cause he gave Japan Jenkins and Jenkins & Koizumi betrayed him.

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/050719/kyodo/d8bej64o0.html

North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has criticized Japan for using Charles Jenkins, a former U.S. Army deserter to North Korea in the Cold War era who is married to a repatriated Japanese abductee, as an "advertising pillar" to stir anti-North Korea sentiment in Japan, sources familiar with bilateral relations said Tuesday.

"We allowed Jenkins to go to Japan, but it is using him as an advertising pillar in anti-North Korea moves," Kim was quoted as saying.

Now Japan and the abductee issue is being shoo-shooed out the door.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050720/wl_nm/korea_north_japan_dc_1

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said last week the issue of Japanese abductees was a valid subject to be dealt with at the six-party talks.

But South Korea sees the issue as a strictly bilateral matter between North Korea and Japan to be discussed on the sidelines of the nuclear talks.

It seems interesting that South Korea is telling Japan to go-sit-on-a-brick with it's abductee soapbox. Koizumi wants to normalize relations with Kim before the end of his term and Kim is agreeable if they can get this abductee thing satisfied to the satisfaction of the Japan electorate. A snowball on the sidewalk in Ginza right now has more chance of surviving the day. These talks look like it will be another international whaling conference circus with Japan being the clown again.

[homesweethome]

Here we go again, Japan saying the bones will receive sinew.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/world/20050724TDY01002.htm

The government will stress the importance of resolving the issue of North Korea's abductions of Japanese nationals at the beginning of the six-party talks due to start Tuesday in Beijing, government sources said Saturday.

And Korea saying: Shove It
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050724/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear_7

North Korea took another swipe at Tokyo on Saturday, saying it "feels no need" to sit down directly with Japan at upcoming nuclear talks because the country is insisting on discussing the North's past abduction of Japanese citizens.

[Buraku]

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/620cc92c-f7be-11d9-9f64-00000e2511c8.html
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200507/kt2005070620370711980.htm
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=967850&C=asiapac
Even in peacetime, nationalism in east Asia is not an abstract concept but a matter of flesh and blood.

South Korea Navy Launches Largest Ship

vessel has been named Dokdo

Wow. Japan better give it up. If that ain't a clear message of how serious they are about it then nothing is.

Russia's Foreign Ministry divides Asian countries into two categories of importance. Recently, Japan was demoted from the first tier into the second tier. The countries in the first tier are China, India, and Indonesia, with important economic, military, and political ties to Russia. Japan is viewed as a basket case obsessed with territorial disputes, and an unproductive economic partner. There was speculation that Putin would visit Japan soon, but he decided to visit Israel and Syria instead.

Seoul names warship after Tok-do

[Andocrates]

Here we go again, Japan saying the bones will receive sinew.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/world/20050724TDY01002.htm

The government will stress the importance of resolving the issue of North Korea's abductions of Japanese nationals at the beginning of the six-party talks due to start Tuesday in Beijing, government sources said Saturday.

And Korea saying: Shove It
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050724/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear_7

North Korea took another swipe at Tokyo on Saturday, saying it "feels no need" to sit down directly with Japan at upcoming nuclear talks because the country is insisting on discussing the North's past abduction of Japanese citizens.

Man, shut da fuc up. And quit bumping your own post, wanker. Everybody here knows what you're about.