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chokonen888 wrote:How they go on and on about being a modern country and protecting human rights but then want human rights on their own terms? (lack of human rights)
sublight wrote:chokonen888 wrote:How they go on and on about being a modern country and protecting human rights but then want human rights on their own terms? (lack of human rights)
I hear this line time and again, and I always have to ask: compared to whom, exactly? The US? The UK? France? Which western nation demands to conduct themselves on someone else's terms?
sublight wrote:chokonen888 wrote:How they go on and on about being a modern country and protecting human rights but then want human rights on their own terms? (lack of human rights)
I hear this line time and again, and I always have to ask: compared to whom, exactly? The US? The UK? France? Which western nation demands to conduct themselves on someone else's terms?
Samurai_Jerk wrote:sublight wrote:chokonen888 wrote:How they go on and on about being a modern country and protecting human rights but then want human rights on their own terms? (lack of human rights)
I hear this line time and again, and I always have to ask: compared to whom, exactly? The US? The UK? France? Which western nation demands to conduct themselves on someone else's terms?
And the US is one of the worst when it comes to not going along with the international community.
Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:sublight wrote:chokonen888 wrote:How they go on and on about being a modern country and protecting human rights but then want human rights on their own terms? (lack of human rights)
I hear this line time and again, and I always have to ask: compared to whom, exactly? The US? The UK? France? Which western nation demands to conduct themselves on someone else's terms?
And the US is one of the worst when it comes to not going along with the international community.
Sorry, I didn't notice....
Thank you...I'm glad an American posted this.
chokonen888 wrote:Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:sublight wrote:chokonen888 wrote:How they go on and on about being a modern country and protecting human rights but then want human rights on their own terms? (lack of human rights)
I hear this line time and again, and I always have to ask: compared to whom, exactly? The US? The UK? France? Which western nation demands to conduct themselves on someone else's terms?
And the US is one of the worst when it comes to not going along with the international community.
Sorry, I didn't notice....
Thank you...I'm glad an American posted this.
LOL, as a NATIVE American, I'm no stranger to the US's shitty human rights history nor am I trying to ignore it...but we're not talking about history here, we're talking about now (2013~) and we have pretty widely accepted (among modern countries) international standards when it comes to human rights. As to how other modern countries conduct themselves in this regard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_ ... man_Rights
Try searching for Japan on there...or even better, try finding Japanese enforceable laws that back up the J-gov's "findings" on human rights.
(Once again, not saying the US, or any other country is perfect but comparatively, Japan is waaaaay below the bar here.)
Then there's this guy...
Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:chokonen888 wrote:Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:sublight wrote:chokonen888 wrote:How they go on and on about being a modern country and protecting human rights but then want human rights on their own terms? (lack of human rights)
I hear this line time and again, and I always have to ask: compared to whom, exactly? The US? The UK? France? Which western nation demands to conduct themselves on someone else's terms?
And the US is one of the worst when it comes to not going along with the international community.
Sorry, I didn't notice....
Thank you...I'm glad an American posted this.
LOL, as a NATIVE American, I'm no stranger to the US's shitty human rights history nor am I trying to ignore it...but we're not talking about history here, we're talking about now (2013~) and we have pretty widely accepted (among modern countries) international standards when it comes to human rights. As to how other modern countries conduct themselves in this regard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_ ... man_Rights
Try searching for Japan on there...or even better, try finding Japanese enforceable laws that back up the J-gov's "findings" on human rights.
(Once again, not saying the US, or any other country is perfect but comparatively, Japan is waaaaay below the bar here.)
Then there's this guy...
Jeezus Choko, let's all just pretend that post didn't exist, mate...
Yokohammer wrote:Lessee ... does "NSA" ring a bell?
It has been in the news quite a bit lately.
chokonen888 wrote:Sooo enlighten me, what human rights violations are occurring in the US right now?
wagyl wrote:It is veering off human rights to be more property rights, but I found this article most interesting, detailing the funding of the law enforcement and justice functions through what amounts to buccaneering actions by those bodies.
Russell wrote:wagyl wrote:It is veering off human rights to be more property rights, but I found this article most interesting, detailing the funding of the law enforcement and justice functions through what amounts to buccaneering actions by those bodies.
Hmm. I would rather say that the right to have your property protected is closely related to human rights.
And it is the intellectual foundation of capitalism (if one can still associate "capitalism" with "intellectual", that is).
Coligny wrote:Amerika... The worst communist dictatorship on earth...
All the wrongs without any of the rights....
chokonen888 wrote:Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:Personally, if Japan is whaling in a manner that makes it sustainable (which I'm skeptical about considering it's record in fishing), then let them do it, but let's stop the charade of it being "for scientific research" and funding it -- and the hyper-bloated bureaucracy sustained by it -- with donations people gave to help those victimized by the Tohoku disasters. .
THIS
I dunno about you guys but I personally told my friends/family NOT to donate anything to the disaster recover effort UNLESS it was directly people they knew in the area. The was the donations were used pissed off everyone I know that donated but like everything, Japan is going to take even donations on their own terms....along with loophole and BS a bunch to embezzle as much of the funds as they can.
fireroads wrote:[
private charitable donations were not/ never were given to the japanese government or to the whaling program or in support of the whaling industry. private donations are redistributed by the charities directly.
government money funded by the taxpayers of japan was given to the japanese whaling industry. this has absolutely nothing to do with how charitable donations were spent.
fireroads wrote:this has absolutely nothing to do with how charitable donations were spent.
Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:fireroads wrote:this has absolutely nothing to do with how charitable donations were spent.
You are correct in pointing out that using donations given in good faith with the intent of helping disaster recovery but instead used to fund commercial whaling has nothing to do with the court case.
fireroads wrote:private charitable donations were not/ never were given to the japanese government or to the whaling program or in support of the whaling industry. private donations are redistributed by the charities directly.
fireroads wrote:Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:fireroads wrote:this has absolutely nothing to do with how charitable donations were spent.
You are correct in pointing out that using donations given in good faith with the intent of helping disaster recovery but instead used to fund commercial whaling has nothing to do with the court case.
sorry, you are completely mistaken. absolutely no money that was given to charity went to the whaling industry. it is a total misnomer.
Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:fireroads wrote:Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:fireroads wrote:this has absolutely nothing to do with how charitable donations were spent.
You are correct in pointing out that using donations given in good faith with the intent of helping disaster recovery but instead used to fund commercial whaling has nothing to do with the court case.
sorry, you are completely mistaken. absolutely no money that was given to charity went to the whaling industry. it is a total misnomer.
I'd love to concede and apologize, but Japanese credibility in this issue is non-existent, so I can't easily concede without proof. Either way, this is an issue of semantics as I already conceded that funneling disaster recovery funds into whaling has nothing to do with the court case.
What I see on trial at the ICJ is Japanese credibility.
fireroads wrote:it is not an issue of the credibility or lack thereof of the japanese government. it is an issue of ignorant people believing and spreading a misnomer with absolutely no basis in fact.
the japanese GOVERNMENT included money for extra security for the whaling fleet as part of a big tohoku reconstruction and relief spending package. from that, the anti-whaling camp developed and spread the misnomer that charitable donations were funneled into the whaling industry.
if you believe/believed this misnomer, you need to seriously take more care in checking your facts and sources as there is probably a lot more total BS that you have bought into.
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