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kurogane wrote:From what I read of the issue it seems a resonable enough proposal, and similar to the recent WAZA-JAZA decisions these efforts of late seem very well orcastrated.
Wage Slave wrote:kurogane wrote:From what I read of the issue it seems a resonable enough proposal, and similar to the recent WAZA-JAZA decisions these efforts of late seem very well orcastrated.
Yes. What stubborn old fools in certain quarters don't seem to understand is they are pretty much in a minority of one. It's not that Australia and NZ have decided it is a good idea to create a marine reserve down there it is that the international community has decided its a good idea - with China and Russia being less keen than the rest. The other two still whaling nations are prepared to co-operate with the rest of the world and agree there is no need to hunt whales in that reserve. Only an unrepresentative clique in Japan see a need to tell the rest of the world to get stuffed and hunt in the reserve as if it were any other bit of ocean.
To that end they are prepared to spend vast amounts of a fiscally challenged government's money on buying votes from small nations, on a grossly oversized whaling fleet that is producing meat for which there is no demand and even buying unneeded meat from Iceland presumably in an attempt to curry favour.
If we have any chance of achieving anything for the benefit of all humanity rather than just one group then it relies on a certain sense of solidarity. Everyone else agrees not to hunt whales in that reserve - except one country. And that country is thousands of kilometres from that reserve, can hunt whales elsewhere and can't eat the whale meat they have already stockpiled.
According to the Born Free Foundation, 63 countries currently hold cetaceans in captivity, with the highest numbers found in Japan.
Takechanpoo wrote:no ones give a direct answer to my questions. you guys just avoid to do it and shift the point of issue.
this issues essence is that why the fuck only whale.
Yokohammer wrote:Trying to make it an "oh the poor whales" issue is just another form of deception. Just stop the bullshit.
Takechanpoo wrote:just remove the ban of commercial whaling in antarctic and make the rigid haul restriction based on real demand
and the rules to impose strict sanctions if japan break it.
then it will be fixed all.
Takechanpoo wrote:the last period of edo era, mericans hunted huge amount of whales to use the fat content as fuel
and the amount dropped sharply in north pacific. its the reason j-boats hunt whales in antarctic, not north pacific near japan.
Takechanpoo wrote:actually since you evil mericans and aussies overhunted whales for fuel , the amount still havent recoverd yet.
i dont know the decisive reason.
and the way of stocktaking of whale meat is different from standard goods.
the stocking is only 2 times a year. so it is not forwarded to the market at one time.
a year-round way to investigate the stock is needed to find the real demand.
japan is fighting evil crusaders who impose their value on other ppl.
its a "Reconquista" of us japanese.
Takechanpoo wrote:japan is fighting evil crusaders who impose their value on other ppl.
its a "Reconquista" of us japanese.
Wage Slave wrote:In the meantime hunt what you can eat locally. After all, Iceland and Norway do it without raising too many hackles, why not Japan?
wuchan wrote:Dark deals and soap land negations will continue to rule this country until the people decide to do more than complain.
Takechanpoo wrote:what meat i eat is only chicken and i never eat any seafoods.
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