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chokonen888 wrote:Kidnapped or forced into prostitution is one thing...but I don't understand the "I chose to be a whore in a gov. sanctioned prostitution effort but now the gov. owes me money because now I'm old and broke" argument. if they got paid, WTF?
Take - If you take anything away from this thread, let it be that we're not finger wagging about whores/prostitution or the guys who used them during the war or whatever. It's about just looking at some fucked up shit the J-gov did during that time and acknowledging it was fucked up...so we can move on. Many govs sanctioned fucked up things happened back then, Japan is hardly alone, except for when it comes to acknowledging what happened and admitting it's fucked up.
Don't Japanese courts place all the emphasis on acknowledging the wrong doing and showing remorse? So why is this shit any different? Unit 731, sex slaves, etc. How any human look at that and not think it's fucked up is beyond me.
Takechanpoo wrote:you have a right to deny what you did not do and recognize only what you actually did, no matter what
Michael Yon, a highly respected and skillful U.S. author, gave me permission to translate into Japanese and share with you an article which he put out yesterday.
https://www.facebook.com/MichaelYonFanP ... 65/?type=1
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Japan-Korea: Were Korean Men Cowards during World War II?
日韓問題:第二次世界大戦中、韓国男性が臆病者だったとでも言うつもりか?
A vexing question
なかなか晴れない疑問
There are growing, unsubstantiated questions about whether the Japanese Imperial Army kidnapped 200,000 sex-slaves (Comfort Women) in World War II. Mostly from Korea.
第二次世界大戦中、大日本帝国陸軍が20万人もの韓国人女性を強制連行して、性奴隷(慰安婦)にしたという疑惑について、裏付けの取れない主張が現在も拡大し続けている。それらは主に韓国からの主張である。
A $30 million US Government Study specifically searched for evidence on Comfort Women allegations.
慰安婦たちの主張を裏付ける証拠を求めて、米政府は3000万ドル(30億円超)の費用を掛けて調査を行った。
After nearly seven years with many dozens of staff pouring through US archives -- and 30 million dollars down the drain -- we found a grand total of nothing.
Chinese NGO wants Japan apology for 1937 massacre
A Chinese nongovernmental organization has sent a letter to Japan’s prime minister calling on his government to apologize to the victims of a wartime massacre almost 80 years ago and pay compensation, the group’s president said Monday.
The China Federation of Demanding Compensation From Japan said the letter coincided with a new commemoration day on Saturday to mark the 1937 massacre of civilians by Japanese forces in Nanjing. The commemoration day was created as part of Beijing’s campaign to remind the world of past Japanese aggression because of what it calls renewed militarism by the country.
“We used to demand an apology in general terms. But this is the first time a Chinese NGO has specifically demanded the Japanese government apologize for the 300,000 victims of the Nanjing massacre,” the Beijing-based group’s president, Tong Zeng, told The Associated Press. “A month ago, it suddenly dawned on me that we should do this.”
Wage Slave wrote:However, he didn't mention that some very powerful people in Japan are attempting to deny that the IJA/Tojo regime was guilty of these crimes and more generally to airbrush history to portray the IJA/Tojo regime in a positive light. That is also a huge obstacle to a better relationship - in fact it makes it near impossible.
Wage Slave wrote:I thought the Emperor's New Year message was very wise - I hope people were listening.
chokonen888 wrote:Anyone catch that "unbaribaburu" show last night? (Was stuck at a friends who had the TV on) They showcased this lawyer who stood up to the local police/prosecutor/court corruption regarding a murder by police back during the war. Victim was beaten to death by the police for refusing to confess to the crime they were accusing him of and they were covering it up with witness intimidation/collusion and all kinds of shit. (Having seen first hand how the "justice" system here works, it doesn't seem like the SOP has changed much since then) Amazing to see someone back then actually stand up against that type of bullshit...and several years later eventually get some justice because they were lucky and made enough noise that a retrial was held in Tokyo. Anyhow, the connection with the above quote comes from the typical idiot panel they had on the show to comment on what had just been shown. The last dude to comment basically said that he thought most Japanese today are totally unaware this type of stuff happened back then....but in this "peaceful generation" it's better to not study about this kind of stuff in the past so that the focus can be a peaceful future.
Takechanpoo wrote:found good site (japanese and english)
TRUTH ABOUT “COMFORT WOMEN” – U.S. ARMY REPORT in 1944 “A (Korean) Comfort Girl is nothing more than a prostitue attached to the Japanese Army…”
http://japa.la/?page_id=23782
if you see the objective facts about "comfort whores", you cannot help gettting on the side of japan, regardless of whether you are rightwinger or not.
Japan has asked a major U.S. publisher to “correct” a school textbook that references World War II sex slaves, the foreign ministry said Thursday, as Tokyo’s bid to polish its history moves abroad.
Diplomats petitioned McGraw-Hill to change passages of a book used in American schools that refer to “comfort women”, a euphemism for those forced to work in military brothels.
“The Japanese government, through an overseas diplomatic office, in mid-December asked McGraw-Hill executives to make a correction in the content of their textbook titled ‘Traditions & Encounters: A Global Perspective on the Past’,” a foreign ministry statement published by the Wall Street Journal said.
They did this “upon finding grave errors and descriptions that conflict with our nation’s stance on the issue of ‘comfort women.’”
The Japanese government under nationalist Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has embarked on a global campaign to right what it sees as the wrongs of global perceptions of its WWII violence.
Mainstream historians agree that around 200,000 women, mainly from Korea, but also from China, Taiwan and the Philippines, were forced to provide sex to Japanese soldiers in a formalised system of slavery.
Right-wingers in Japan dispute this, and insist the women were common prostitutes. They say neither the state nor the military was involved in any coercion.
McGraw-Hill Education confirmed they had been approached by “representatives from the Japanese government… asking the company to change the description of ‘comfort women’ in one of our publications,” according to the Journal.
“Scholars are aligned behind the historical fact of ‘comfort women’ and we unequivocally stand behind the writing, research and presentation of our authors,” they said.
The approach to a foreign publisher is unusual, but nationalists at home have pressed hard for a reinterpretation of history.
Late last year, Japan’s liberal Asahi Shimbun retracted a series of articles dating from the 1990s centering on the testimony of a former Japanese soldier who said he had been involved in rounding up Korean women to work in brothels.
His testimony had long-since been discredited, but the paper had for years resisted pressure to withdraw the articles.
Its about-face was greeted with glee by right-wingers, including the prime minister, who demanded the paper apologise for its part in the globally-accepted view of Japan’s wartime record.
Tokyo has been angered in recent years over statues honoring “comfort women” erected by Korean communities in the US and elsewhere.
And in December the government lodged a complaint with Beijing over a reference to “300,000” people who were killed when imperial troops swept through the Chinese city of Nanjing, in a weeks-long orgy of rape and violence.
Chinese President Xi Jinping made the comment in a speech on December 13, calling on Tokyo to acknowledge the gravity of its past crimes.
Diplomats protested that the figure is “different from Japan’s position” and that it is “difficult to determine the concrete number of victims,” sources told Kyodo News.
Since his election in 2012, Abe has pushed what supporters call a less “masochistic” view of Japan’s history.
While the approach is popular among core right-wing supporters in Japan, it does not have broad appeal among a Japanese public that largely feels disconnected from events more than seven decades ago.
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Russell wrote:Germany asks US to close Holocaust museum
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So, the publisher effectively told Japan to stuff it.
Diplomats petitioned McGraw-Hill ...
Yokohammer wrote:Russel,
I'm sure the text you supplied for the link above is some sort of clever irony thing, but it went right over my head and confused the crap out of me for a minute.
Russell wrote:Yokohammer wrote:Russel,
I'm sure the text you supplied for the link above is some sort of clever irony thing, but it went right over my head and confused the crap out of me for a minute.
The fake headline is certainly in bad taste, and meant to be controversial, but all these attempts by Japan's rightwingers to revise history are getting annoying.
And basically it is comparable to Germany denying its history, though I admit that the comparison can be perceived as to trivialize the Holocaust. That is not my intention.
Yokohammer wrote:Russell wrote:Germany asks US to close Holocaust museum
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So, the publisher effectively told Japan to stuff it.
Russel,
I'm sure the text you supplied for the link above is some sort of clever irony thing, but it went right over my head and confused the crap out of me for a minute.
Coligny wrote:Diplomats petitioned McGraw-Hill ...
Yea, good luck with that one...
Would have loved to see their outraged faces when told to suck it...
Russell wrote:I admit that the comparison can be perceived as to trivialize the Holocaust
chokonen888 wrote:I imagine this global campaign is going to backfire as more and more instances become public.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Russell wrote:I admit that the comparison can be perceived as to trivialize the Holocaust
Watch out. That could get you arrested in France.
Wage Slave wrote:chokonen888 wrote:I imagine this global campaign is going to backfire as more and more instances become public.
And the halfwits don't even realise they are dragging out more evidence against their own denials. Tacky's idiotic website linked a few posts earlier being another prime example of hoisting oneself on one's own petard - or whatever Japanese use for hoisting.
Tacky.....
The Yomiuri Shinbun’s apology was greeted with near shock by foreign correspondents in Japan. Articles about the apology were published in the New York Times, Washington Post, BBC, and just about every other major news organization with its own reporters in Japan.
Not only was the Yomiuri Shinbun pledging not to use political expressions that were annoying to the incumbent Abe government, but they even felt the need to condemn their own past news articles going back more than two decades. They explained that they would “add a note stating that [the expressions used] were inappropriate to all the articles in question in our database.”
To the ears of many educated foreigners, this latter pledge sounds all too much like Winston Smith, the character in the novel 1984, whose job at the Records Department of the Ministry of Truth is to rewrite historical documents to match the constantly changing ideology and policies of the all-powerful government.
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Normally, a Japanese newspaper offering a retraction of mistakes in its previous articles would be of little or no interest to foreign audiences. This particular apology, however, bounced around the global headlines because it demonstrated just how far removed the Yomiuri Shinbun has become from the common sense of the news media world.
In democratic countries, the major news media is expected to maintain independence and even to play the role of a watchdog on the government, testing official explanations and investigating official actions.
Of course, it has been clear to outside observers for many years that the Yomiuri Shinbun does not really fulfill its supposed role as the guardian of the public trust, but instead functions most of the time as a mouthpiece for the Liberal Democratic Party.
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