Poor people in Japan? WTF!?!?

[matsuki]

If they're part-timers doing service overtime they need to grow a pair and get paid the money. Usually companies are pretty strict about service overtime for part-timers and haken (especially haken as the agency will come after them demanding money). When I was a temp, they would literally make us leave and I knew of a few people who wanted to do overtime but weren't allowed to. Working as a part-timer was the same - they wanted us out of there.

Easy to say when you're not the one who might lose his job for speaking up.

I do think that one of the problems in Japan though is that a lot of people say "shoganai" when they get screwed by their employers instead of actually standing up for their rights. Labor law is pretty clear and the courts tend to be labor friendly.

The excuse I get from most in this situation is "warukuchi" from them when it comes to their next employer. Prospective employers not wanting a "troublemaker" who dared to demand what they were legally and contractually obliged to receive. I think the "mendokusai" factor is the real reason behind pursuing shit like this but what they fail to realize is it's also mendokusai for the employer and probably quite embarrassing to be taken to court.

[Samurai_Jerk]

If they're part-timers doing service overtime they need to grow a pair and get paid the money. Usually companies are pretty strict about service overtime for part-timers and haken (especially haken as the agency will come after them demanding money). When I was a temp, they would literally make us leave and I knew of a few people who wanted to do overtime but weren't allowed to. Working as a part-timer was the same - they wanted us out of there.

Easy to say when you're not the one who might lose his job for speaking up.

I do think that one of the problems in Japan though is that a lot of people say "shoganai" when they get screwed by their employers instead of actually standing up for their rights. Labor law is pretty clear and the courts tend to be labor friendly.

The excuse I get from most in this situation is "warukuchi" from them when it comes to their next employer. Prospective employers not wanting a "troublemaker" who dared to demand what they were legally and contractually obliged to receive. I think the "mendokusai" factor is the real reason behind pursuing shit like this but what they fail to realize is it's also mendokusai for the employer and probably quite embarrassing to be taken to court.

I don't think it's just an excuse. It's a very real fear. People in the same industry tend to know each other and they do talk.

[inflames]

If they're part-timers doing service overtime they need to grow a pair and get paid the money. Usually companies are pretty strict about service overtime for part-timers and haken (especially haken as the agency will come after them demanding money). When I was a temp, they would literally make us leave and I knew of a few people who wanted to do overtime but weren't allowed to. Working as a part-timer was the same - they wanted us out of there.

Easy to say when you're not the one who might lose his job for speaking up.

I do think that one of the problems in Japan though is that a lot of people say "shoganai" when they get screwed by their employers instead of actually standing up for their rights. Labor law is pretty clear and the courts tend to be labor friendly.

At least in Osaka, there are enough jobs and people such that if you took a company to court, very few people would hear about it. Maybe in some small town, but not in a big city.

I don't want to generalize, but part timers are basically unskilled - they can go rather quickly between industries.

Doctors and nurses can pretty much tell hospitals to fuck off and will have no problems getting hired somewhere else.

[matsuki]

If they're part-timers doing service overtime they need to grow a pair and get paid the money. Usually companies are pretty strict about service overtime for part-timers and haken (especially haken as the agency will come after them demanding money). When I was a temp, they would literally make us leave and I knew of a few people who wanted to do overtime but weren't allowed to. Working as a part-timer was the same - they wanted us out of there.

Easy to say when you're not the one who might lose his job for speaking up.

I do think that one of the problems in Japan though is that a lot of people say "shoganai" when they get screwed by their employers instead of actually standing up for their rights. Labor law is pretty clear and the courts tend to be labor friendly.

The excuse I get from most in this situation is "warukuchi" from them when it comes to their next employer. Prospective employers not wanting a "troublemaker" who dared to demand what they were legally and contractually obliged to receive. I think the "mendokusai" factor is the real reason behind pursuing shit like this but what they fail to realize is it's also mendokusai for the employer and probably quite embarrassing to be taken to court.

I don't think it's just an excuse. It's a very real fear. People in the same industry tend to know each other and they do talk.

They need some way to anonymously report companies for enforcement.

[Samurai_Jerk]

If they're part-timers doing service overtime they need to grow a pair and get paid the money. Usually companies are pretty strict about service overtime for part-timers and haken (especially haken as the agency will come after them demanding money). When I was a temp, they would literally make us leave and I knew of a few people who wanted to do overtime but weren't allowed to. Working as a part-timer was the same - they wanted us out of there.

Easy to say when you're not the one who might lose his job for speaking up.

I do think that one of the problems in Japan though is that a lot of people say "shoganai" when they get screwed by their employers instead of actually standing up for their rights. Labor law is pretty clear and the courts tend to be labor friendly.

At least in Osaka, there are enough jobs and people such that if you took a company to court, very few people would hear about it. Maybe in some small town, but not in a big city.

I don't want to generalize, but part timers are basically unskilled - they can go rather quickly between industries.

Doctors and nurses can pretty much tell hospitals to fuck off and will have no problems getting hired somewhere else.

I wasn't just talking about part-timers. I was talking about the labor force in general. However, even part-timers might have to be careful. Big cities aren't as big as you think when it comes to this kind of thing and a lot of them rely on connections for work.

[kurogane]

My only reservation about what Inflames wrote is it blames the victim for the sins of the perpetrator and of the system itself. I fully agree that an individual worker is well advised to be aware of his or her rights and entitlements, but there also needs to be a much bigger bat used to beat the filthy capitalist blood suckers and their infant children until they all bleed from their ears.

DEATH TO CAPITALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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