No smoking please, we're Japanese

[Coligny]

The part where you put a minor issue affecting more or less 2-4% of the population against a real nuisance and much larger health threat.

In other words... You are throwing shit at the wall hoping something will stick.

No legitimate study shows a health threat to customers from occasional exposure to second-hand smoke in bars.

Yea, no study that you consider legitimate maybe, but half a brain, and observation skillz might tell you another story. good luck with your bullshit, ever opened a computer used by a smoker ?
For apple france it void the warranty.

[Russell]

The part where you put a minor issue affecting more or less 2-4% of the population against a real nuisance and much larger health threat.

In other words... You are throwing shit at the wall hoping something will stick.

No legitimate study shows a health threat to customers from occasional exposure to second-hand smoke in bars.

Hmm, I was once forced to endure smoke for two fucking hours in a drinking establishment.

My lungs hurt for a full day afterwards, and it took me more than a week to get the nicotine out of my system.

And I am not even asthmatic.

It is those claims by smokers regarding non-smokers' health that gets people mad.

And BTW, it is Disgusting!!!

[Samurai_Jerk]

The part where you put a minor issue affecting more or less 2-4% of the population against a real nuisance and much larger health threat.

In other words... You are throwing shit at the wall hoping something will stick.

No legitimate study shows a health threat to customers from occasional exposure to second-hand smoke in bars.

Hmm, I was once forced to endure smoke for two fucking hours in a drinking establishment.

My lungs hurt for a full day afterwards, and it took me more than a week to get the nicotine out of my system.

And I am not even asthmatic.

It is those claims by smokers regarding non-smokers' health that gets people mad.

And BTW, it is Disgusting!!!

You're lying.

[wuchan]

The part where you put a minor issue affecting more or less 2-4% of the population against a real nuisance and much larger health threat.

In other words... You are throwing shit at the wall hoping something will stick.

No legitimate study shows a health threat to customers from occasional exposure to second-hand smoke in bars.

Hmm, I was once forced to endure smoke for two fucking hours in a drinking establishment.

My lungs hurt for a full day afterwards, and it took me more than a week to get the nicotine out of my system.

And I am not even asthmatic.

It is those claims by smokers regarding non-smokers' health that gets people mad.

And BTW, it is Disgusting!!!

You're lying.

you're an angry smoker.

[Russell]

The part where you put a minor issue affecting more or less 2-4% of the population against a real nuisance and much larger health threat.

In other words... You are throwing shit at the wall hoping something will stick.

No legitimate study shows a health threat to customers from occasional exposure to second-hand smoke in bars.

Hmm, I was once forced to endure smoke for two fucking hours in a drinking establishment.

My lungs hurt for a full day afterwards, and it took me more than a week to get the nicotine out of my system.

And I am not even asthmatic.

It is those claims by smokers regarding non-smokers' health that gets people mad.

And BTW, it is Disgusting!!!

You're lying.

Nope.

You are not open to the truth.

[wuchan]

The part where you put a minor issue affecting more or less 2-4% of the population against a real nuisance and much larger health threat.

In other words... You are throwing shit at the wall hoping something will stick.

No legitimate study shows a health threat to customers from occasional exposure to second-hand smoke in bars.

All I know is the first time I got high I didn't smoke. I was 12 and in a small room with my friends who were smoking a huge joint. For about two hours after I was laughing my ass off. From then on I never turned it down.



No matter the amount of scientific material there will always be enough money to find bad scientists to take a pay check to publish a paper saying the opposite.

[yanpa]

I'm fine with people smoking as long as they're fine with me coming over and spraying a mist of an unidentified tar-like substance over them, their food, pets and children when I feel like it.

[matsuki]

All I know is the first time I got high I didn't smoke. I was 12 and in a small room with my friends who were smoking a huge joint. For about two hours after I was laughing my ass off. From then on I never turned it down.

Now the truth comes out...wuchan's farming success definitely isn't all rice

[wuchan]

All I know is the first time I got high I didn't smoke. I was 12 and in a small room with my friends who were smoking a huge joint. For about two hours after I was laughing my ass off. From then on I never turned it down.

Now the truth comes out...wuchan's farming success definitely isn't all rice

I'm not in tochigi... Wish I was.

[Samurai_Jerk]

The part where you put a minor issue affecting more or less 2-4% of the population against a real nuisance and much larger health threat.

In other words... You are throwing shit at the wall hoping something will stick.

No legitimate study shows a health threat to customers from occasional exposure to second-hand smoke in bars.

Hmm, I was once forced to endure smoke for two fucking hours in a drinking establishment.

My lungs hurt for a full day afterwards, and it took me more than a week to get the nicotine out of my system.

And I am not even asthmatic.

It is those claims by smokers regarding non-smokers' health that gets people mad.

And BTW, it is Disgusting!!!

You're lying.

you're an angry smoker.

Learn how to read. I already said I'm not a smoker (and never have been for the record) other than the occasional cigar. And by occasional I mean an average of about five a year. This has nothing to do with my personal preference. I prefer places that aren't smokey and will often take my business elsewhere if a place is. However, I've seen how the slippery slope got way too slippery in NY and destroyed some businesses (cigar bars) and some great traditions (pipe smoking at Keens Steakhouse).

[Coligny]

Good, he didn't deny he was angry...

Anyone else think the guy need to get laid ? Maybe if we point some coin away we can buy him an evening with one of those south korean grandma hookers...

[Samurai_Jerk]

Good, he didn't deny he was angry...

Anyone else think the guy need to get laid ? Maybe if we point some coin away we can buy him an evening with one of those south korean grandma hookers...

I could always make a trip up to Toyohashi and choke fuck you.

[IparryU]

Good, he didn't deny he was angry...

Anyone else think the guy need to get laid ? Maybe if we point some coin away we can buy him an evening with one of those south korean grandma hookers...

I could always make a trip up to Toyohashi and choke fuck you.

Dont do that... you going to give him more ideas for another pr0n series... selfie choke fucking...

[Samurai_Jerk]

The part where you put a minor issue affecting more or less 2-4% of the population against a real nuisance and much larger health threat.

In other words... You are throwing shit at the wall hoping something will stick.

No legitimate study shows a health threat to customers from occasional exposure to second-hand smoke in bars.

Hmm, I was once forced to endure smoke for two fucking hours in a drinking establishment.

My lungs hurt for a full day afterwards, and it took me more than a week to get the nicotine out of my system.

And I am not even asthmatic.

It is those claims by smokers regarding non-smokers' health that gets people mad.

And BTW, it is Disgusting!!!

You're lying.

Nope.

You are not open to the truth.

Really? So did someone have a gun to your head and prevent you from leaving?

[IparryU]

The part where you put a minor issue affecting more or less 2-4% of the population against a real nuisance and much larger health threat.

In other words... You are throwing shit at the wall hoping something will stick.

No legitimate study shows a health threat to customers from occasional exposure to second-hand smoke in bars.

Hmm, I was once forced to endure smoke for two fucking hours in a drinking establishment.

My lungs hurt for a full day afterwards, and it took me more than a week to get the nicotine out of my system.

And I am not even asthmatic.

It is those claims by smokers regarding non-smokers' health that gets people mad.

And BTW, it is Disgusting!!!

You're lying.

Nope.

You are not open to the truth.

Really? So did someone have a gun to your head and prevent you from leaving?

if you dont like it.... GTFO. Plenty of places that are smoke free. dont ruin someone's time just cause you dont like smoke, gtfo.

[omae mona]

Really? So did someone have a gun to your head and prevent you from leaving?

SJ, I am usually VERY much in alignment with free market rationales for this kind of issue. But I also don't believe the free market works 100% of the time. Your argument (I believe) is that if we have no regulation, restaurants will separate naturally into smoking and non-smoking restaurants, each attracting a different customer base. Customers who hate smoke will migrate to non-smoking restaurants, and that's enough incentive for restaurants to make themselves smoke free.

But does it work in practice? (That is not a rhetorical question. I really don't know the answer.)

Take New York prior to its smoking regulations (early 2000s). We know that even at that time there was huge customer demand for smoke free environments. I might be wrong, but I don't have any recollection of lots of smoke free restaurants, at least nowhere in proportion to the number of people I suspect would prefer it. Why didn't more restaurants voluntarily switch to smoke-free?

[Samurai_Jerk]

Really? So did someone have a gun to your head and prevent you from leaving?

SJ, I am usually VERY much in alignment with free market rationales for this kind of issue. But I also don't believe the free market works 100% of the time. Your argument (I believe) is that if we have no regulation, restaurants will separate naturally into smoking and non-smoking restaurants, each attracting a different customer base. Customers who hate smoke will migrate to non-smoking restaurants, and that's enough incentive for restaurants to make themselves smoke free.

But does it work in practice? (That is not a rhetorical question. I really don't know the answer.)

Take New York prior to its smoking regulations (early 2000s). We know that even at that time there was huge customer demand for smoke free environments. I might be wrong, but I don't have any recollection of lots of smoke free restaurants, at least nowhere in proportion to the number of people I suspect would prefer it. Why didn't more restaurants voluntarily switch to smoke-free?

I'm not against regulations limiting smoking in public places. However, I am against blanket bans against smoking in all bars and restaurants without any exception. There's no point in trying to make a nuanced argument with the anti-smoking crowd though because they tend be completely unreasonable and totally douchey when it comes to this issue.

[yanpa]

Really? So did someone have a gun to your head and prevent you from leaving?

SJ, I am usually VERY much in alignment with free market rationales for this kind of issue. But I also don't believe the free market works 100% of the time. Your argument (I believe) is that if we have no regulation, restaurants will separate naturally into smoking and non-smoking restaurants, each attracting a different customer base. Customers who hate smoke will migrate to non-smoking restaurants, and that's enough incentive for restaurants to make themselves smoke free.

But does it work in practice? (That is not a rhetorical question. I really don't know the answer.)

Take New York prior to its smoking regulations (early 2000s). We know that even at that time there was huge customer demand for smoke free environments. I might be wrong, but I don't have any recollection of lots of smoke free restaurants, at least nowhere in proportion to the number of people I suspect would prefer it. Why didn't more restaurants voluntarily switch to smoke-free?

I'm not against regulations limiting smoking in public places. However, I am against blanket bans against smoking in all bars and restaurants without any exception. There's no point in trying to make a nuanced argument with the anti-smoking crowd though because they tend be completely unreasonable and totally douchey when it comes to this issue.

That's probably due to decades of being forced to breath other people's smoke and being treated like douchebags and/or 2nd class citizens ("non-smoking section" my arse).

Though personally I could live with a blanket ban anywhere where children can enter including any outdoor terraces/seating, and let other places decide for themselves.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Really? So did someone have a gun to your head and prevent you from leaving?

SJ, I am usually VERY much in alignment with free market rationales for this kind of issue. But I also don't believe the free market works 100% of the time. Your argument (I believe) is that if we have no regulation, restaurants will separate naturally into smoking and non-smoking restaurants, each attracting a different customer base. Customers who hate smoke will migrate to non-smoking restaurants, and that's enough incentive for restaurants to make themselves smoke free.

But does it work in practice? (That is not a rhetorical question. I really don't know the answer.)

Take New York prior to its smoking regulations (early 2000s). We know that even at that time there was huge customer demand for smoke free environments. I might be wrong, but I don't have any recollection of lots of smoke free restaurants, at least nowhere in proportion to the number of people I suspect would prefer it. Why didn't more restaurants voluntarily switch to smoke-free?

I'm not against regulations limiting smoking in public places. However, I am against blanket bans against smoking in all bars and restaurants without any exception. There's no point in trying to make a nuanced argument with the anti-smoking crowd though because they tend be completely unreasonable and totally douchey when it comes to this issue.

That's probably due to decades of being forced to breath other people's smoke and being treated like douchebags and/or 2nd class citizens ("non-smoking section" my arse).

Though personally I could live with a blanket ban anywhere where children can enter including any outdoor terraces/seating, and let other places decide for themselves.

Is there anywhere except nightclubs and adult entertainment establishments that children can't enter in Japan?

[omae mona]

I'm not against regulations limiting smoking in public places. However, I am against blanket bans against smoking in all bars and restaurants without any exception. There's no point in trying to make a nuanced argument with the anti-smoking crowd though because they tend be completely unreasonable and totally douchey when it comes to this issue.

Concretely what kind of exceptions are you proposing? Not sure I see what kind of a system would work.

Though personally I could live with a blanket ban anywhere where children can enter including any outdoor terraces/seating, and let other places decide for themselves.

Careful what you wish for. In Tokyo, that rule might result in most restaurants banning children!

[Coligny]

Oh boy, the "magic of the free market" crowd checked in. Keep on trucking guys, you make creationists looks good...

[Taro Toporific]

Oh boy, the "magic of the free market" crowd checked in...

Cleaner, cuter smoke-free facilities drawing women, younger crowds Pachinko parlors bet on tidiness to reverse decline
Pachinko parlors bet on tidiness to reverse decline
REUTERS Aug. 21, 2014
The once-booming pachinko industry, grappling with a graying customer base and the threat of new competition from casinos, is adopting a softer touch and smoke-free zones to lure a new generation of players, particularly women...
...Dynam, which has 371 pachinko parlors around Japan, is building new game centers with higher ceilings, smoke-free zones and ventilators, with dividers between machines for privacy...
...More than half of Dynam’s customers are older than 50, while only 9 percent are younger than 30.
More...

smoking-clean.jpg

[Samurai_Jerk]

Concretely what kind of exceptions are you proposing? Not sure I see what kind of a system would work.

- Requiring places to have a separate enclosed smoking area with a ventilation/filtration system or go completely no smoking
- Allowing places that are only staffed by the owners to allow smoking since it's not an employee health issue
- Having some kind of license for places that make a significant portion of their income from tobacco products like cigar or hookah bars that would allow smoking on their premises
- Allowing smoking in open-air settings such as beer gardens and beach bars
- Allowing a certain percentage of private rooms in Karaoke places for parties that want to smoke

[yanpa]

Concretely what kind of exceptions are you proposing? Not sure I see what kind of a system would work.

- Requiring places to have a separate enclosed smoking area with a ventilation/filtration system or go completely no smoking
- Allowing places that are only staffed by the owners to allow smoking since it's not an employee health issue
- Having some kind of license for places that make a significant portion of their income from tobacco products like cigar or hookah bars that would allow smoking on their premises
- Allowing smoking in open-air settings such as beer gardens and beach bars
- Allowing a certain percentage of private rooms in Karaoke places for parties that want to smoke

Sounds pretty reasonable. I'd want stringent, enforced standards for separate enclosed smoking areas, and no smoking in outside areas (terraces etc.) except if the establishment is primarily open-air.

[Coligny]

Oh boy, the "magic of the free market" crowd checked in...

Cleaner, cuter smoke-free facilities drawing women, younger crowds Pachinko parlors bet on tidiness to reverse decline
Pachinko parlors bet on tidiness to reverse decline
REUTERS Aug. 21, 2014
The once-booming pachinko industry, grappling with a graying customer base and the threat of new competition from casinos, is adopting a softer touch and smoke-free zones to lure a new generation of players, particularly women...
...Dynam, which has 371 pachinko parlors around Japan, is building new game centers with higher ceilings, smoke-free zones and ventilators, with dividers between machines for privacy...
...More than half of Dynam’s customers are older than 50, while only 9 percent are younger than 30.
More...

smoking-clean.jpg

I'm pretty sure that the issue with pachinko parlors is mostly... Pachinko itself...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

In Tokyo, that rule might result in most restaurants banning children!

I'd vote for that

[Samurai_Jerk]

In Tokyo, that rule might result in most restaurants banning children!

I'd vote for that

Me too.

[Mike Oxlong]

In Tokyo, that rule might result in most restaurants banning children!

I'd vote for that

Me too.

Is it the kids themselves, or the idiot parents (a la The Dog Whisperer and idiot caretakers)?