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Japan piling probe to expand to entire industry as data falsification fears grow
The Japan Times | Nov. 17, 2015
The infrastructure ministry said Tuesday it will expand its probe into data management for piling work to the entire industry, as fears of manipulation involving building foundation piles continue to grow.The move follows last Friday’s announcement by Asahi Kasei Construction Materials Corp. that it manipulated piling data for at least 266 projects over the past decade, while major piling work contractor Japan Pile Corp. admitted it was guilty of similar data falsification in at least six of the projects it has handled over the past five years.
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[legion]

Most of the piling firms — which are hired by general contractors to undertake just the piling work — do not have in-house employees versed in technical know-how, as they normally hire engineers from subcontractors further down the multilayered subcontractor network to do the actual work for them.

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[Russell]

Looks like they will encounter some gigantic piles of shit.

[matsuki]

independent contractor, subcontractor, middle man here, no liability there....

[legion]

independent contractor, subcontractor, middle man here, no liability there....

Everyone takes a cut and in the end the guys actually doing the work don't have enough money to do the job properly, so they skimp on materials.

[Wage Slave]

independent contractor, subcontractor, middle man here, no liability there....

Everyone takes a cut and in the end the guys actually doing the work don't have enough money to do the job properly, so they skimp on materials.

Sounds right but they will have to skimp on time and materials. I think in this case it was time more than materials that was the issue.

[matsuki]

Japaneeeeeeze Sutaaaairu! (chuuuuuugoku mitai)

[Samurai_Jerk]

Japaneeeeeeze Sutaaaairu! (chuuuuuugoku mitai)

I was thinking how American it was.

[matsuki]

Japaneeeeeeze Sutaaaairu! (chuuuuuugoku mitai)

I was thinking how American it was.

Different issue, no? Individual independent contractor provided safety equipment vs. quality control when sub-sub-sub-sub contracting

Anyhow, while this type of sub-sub-sub trouble happens everywhere (especially China) what I'm on about here (and many other "unique Japan" comments) is the constant hum of the locals "Japanese quality" and the assumption that "it's Japanese so it must be superior." If you over hype your shit and "image" is far better than reality, you're gonna get called out on it.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Japaneeeeeeze Sutaaaairu! (chuuuuuugoku mitai)

I was thinking how American it was.

Different issue, no? Individual independent contractor provided safety equipment vs. quality control when sub-sub-sub-sub contracting

Anyhow, while this type of sub-sub-sub trouble happens everywhere (especially China) what I'm on about here (and many other "unique Japan" comments) is the constant hum of the locals "Japanese quality" and the assumption that "it's Japanese so it must be superior." If you over hype your shit and "image" is far better than reality, you're gonna get called out on it.

Nope. Same problem if you look into the full story. Layer upon layer of sub contractor so the guys at the bottoms get shit pay, do a shit job, and get screwed by it.

[matsuki]

Japaneeeeeeze Sutaaaairu! (chuuuuuugoku mitai)

I was thinking how American it was.

Different issue, no? Individual independent contractor provided safety equipment vs. quality control when sub-sub-sub-sub contracting

Anyhow, while this type of sub-sub-sub trouble happens everywhere (especially China) what I'm on about here (and many other "unique Japan" comments) is the constant hum of the locals "Japanese quality" and the assumption that "it's Japanese so it must be superior." If you over hype your shit and "image" is far better than reality, you're gonna get called out on it.

Nope. Same problem if you look into the full story. Layer upon layer of sub contractor so the guys at the bottoms get shit pay, do a shit job, and get screwed by it.

Overall theme is the same but I was more focused on shit that cannot be easily repaired like the piles. Of course it goes on everywhere in the world but seems almost like SOP here to fuck over consumers and then when caught, deny deny deny, suck teeth and place blame elsewhere, and usually end up with the consumers taking at least part of the responsibility in making it right....if it can be made right. All to the tune of the assumed Japanese quality/superiority. It's unique j-mix of shit that's part social, part shady business practices, part bullshit imeeeeji.

[Wage Slave]

Japaneeeeeeze Sutaaaairu! (chuuuuuugoku mitai)

I was thinking how American it was.

Different issue, no? Individual independent contractor provided safety equipment vs. quality control when sub-sub-sub-sub contracting

Anyhow, while this type of sub-sub-sub trouble happens everywhere (especially China) what I'm on about here (and many other "unique Japan" comments) is the constant hum of the locals "Japanese quality" and the assumption that "it's Japanese so it must be superior." If you over hype your shit and "image" is far better than reality, you're gonna get called out on it.

Nope. Same problem if you look into the full story. Layer upon layer of sub contractor so the guys at the bottoms get shit pay, do a shit job, and get screwed by it.

Overall theme is the same but I was more focused on shit that cannot be easily repaired like the piles. Of course it goes on everywhere in the world but seems almost like SOP here to fuck over consumers and then when caught, deny deny deny, suck teeth and place blame elsewhere, and usually end up with the consumers taking at least part of the responsibility in making it right....if it can be made right. All to the tune of the assumed Japanese quality/superiority. It's unique j-mix of shit that's part social, part shady business practices, part bullshit imeeeeji.

I agree with you - It happens far too often and done by very big companies with sound engineering departments in a good market who just don't need to engage in it. It's a sort of conspiracy by and soley for the benefit of salariman culture and misplaced salariman culture pride. And it is doing huge damage to Japanese companies.

[matsuki]

It would be much worse in the US if not for building code inspectors. I honestly don't know what the deal with them in Japan is but in California, they are notoriously difficult and strict. You need to have them inspect/approve nearly every step of the build and in many cases, things need to be redone to meet code. (or is there just no code for these piles here?) I know on my current build, due to the land designation, there are absolutely no code inspections, only an assessment of the size for tax purposes.

[Russell]

It would be much worse in the US if not for building code inspectors. I honestly don't know what the deal with them in Japan is but in California, they are notoriously difficult and strict. You need to have them inspect/approve nearly every step of the build and in many cases, things need to be redone to meet code. (or is there just no code for these piles here?) I know on my current build, due to the land designation, there are absolutely no code inspections, only an assessment of the size for tax purposes.

Yes, they may be strict in California, but that is because they have earth quakes there.

O wait...

[Salty]

I believe the difference is that here - generally, industry self-regulates. Hence there is not a whole lot of regulation and where it exists, it favours the industry. It is only when a spill-over event occurs that everyone starts to run for cover and shout about what they don`t know.

[Coligny]

It would be much worse in the US if not for building code inspectors. I honestly don't know what the deal with them in Japan is but in California, they are notoriously difficult and strict. You need to have them inspect/approve nearly every step of the build and in many cases, things need to be redone to meet code. (or is there just no code for these piles here?) I know on my current build, due to the land designation, there are absolutely no code inspections, only an assessment of the size for tax purposes.

Yes, they may be strict in California, but that is because they have earth quakes there.

O wait...

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