David Aldwinckle, a bespectacled native of Geneva, New York, braced himself for confrontation when he walked into Joy, a restaurant that, like many establishments here, posted a sign that was a variation on a popular theme here: "Japanese Only."
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David Aldwinckle, a bespectacled native of Geneva, New York, braced himself for confrontation when he walked into Joy, a restaurant that, like many establishments here, posted a sign that was a variation on a popular theme here: "Japanese Only."
Foreigners Try to Melt an Inhospitable Japanese City
...David Aldwinckle ...
I don't see the difference, except no one has been lynched yet.AssKissinger wrote:They want to pretend it's like the civil rights struggle in the States or apartheid or whatever but that's just not reality in Japan.
Not if you're in the business of providing the public with basic services like food or renting out a dwelling that's not your primary residence. Next you'll be telling us you don't need to own a license to run a business that provides services to the public.AssKissinger wrote:I think if you own a business you should be able to turn away whoever you want.
"Before, when Russians were in here, Japanese customers would look in, and then slam the door," Hiroaki Okamura, the 25-year-old owner of Bar Raum, said to explain why he posted his "Japanese Only" sign last August.
cstaylor wrote:Not if you're in the business of providing the public with basic services like food or renting out a dwelling that's not your primary residence. Next you'll be telling us you don't need to own a license to run a business that provides services to the public.
If you want to become a members-only club, charge a suitable entrance fee, sure, you can turn away non-members.
Why not just tell it like it is, "We cater to racists, since they're our largest customers".
Well said. I would put it another way: banning all foreigners is an overbroad response to the problem. Why should all foreigners be banned from Japanese businesses for the actions of a few?
Then make the business members-only and be done with it. Landlords and public restaurants are another matter altogether; if the landlord or shop owner doesn't like it, close the shop and do something else.AssKissinger wrote:I just don't think a business owner should be forced to serve people he doesn't like.
I'll see you there! Why the Hell not if it's your place? To tell the truth I wouldn't mind a bar with absolutely no JPN at all just to chill out in and clear my head from all their J-bullshit sometimes.So I suppose if I open a gaijin bar, I should be allowed to put a sign up saying "Gaijin Only"????
"Before, when Russians were in here, Japanese customers would look in, and then slam the door," Hiroaki Okamura, the 25-year-old owner of Bar Raum, said to explain why he posted his "Japanese Only" sign last August.
Taro Toporific wrote:Foreigners Try to Melt an Inhospitable Japanese City
...David Aldwinckle ...
Great title ....But it seems to be a rehash of last month's International Herald Tribune story.
AssKissinger wrote:BTW, Korea has bars and hotels that only accept foreigners but they're actually owned by Koreans.
torasan wrote:Taro Toporific wrote:Foreigners Try to Melt an Inhospitable Japanese City
...David Aldwinckle ...
Great title ....But it seems to be a rehash of last month's International Herald Tribune story.
Yes, it's very strange. The IHT had almost the same story by the same reporter last month, 99 percent the same, and the IHT is owned by the TImes, too. ...The New York Times is crazy these days.
Steve Bildermann wrote:MONBETSU, Japan The bespectacled Western native braced himself for confrontation when he walked into Joy, a restaurant with a reputation here for not serving foreigners. Offering food and drink on an all-you-can-consume system, Joy's managers faced a universal challenge in this port on the Sea of Okhotsk: how to deal with Russian sailors? But rather than translate the restaurant rules into Russian, the manager took a path favored here, posting a large sign in Russian: "no Japanese, no service."
Herald TribuneIn elections last autumn, one prefectural governor only grudgingly apologized after calling foreigners "sneaky thieves."On a recent weekend, exclusionary signs were targets for a trio of activists for foreigners' rights in Japan: David Aldwinckle, born in America but now a Japanese citizen who goes by the name of Arudou Debito]
The amazing crusading Arudou Debito
kidrock12xp wrote:Indeed devicenull, that is weird.
Reverse discrimination! Yeah, that's a good one. Many Japanese folks here always ask 'Where are you from?' and as soon as I say 'USA/California' they've got the red carpet already rolled out, the gold-flake sake poured, the sumptious feast served. Its almost like, well, like becoming a 'PET GAIJIN' because, of course, we're now 'BEST FRIENDS' and its 'anything you want, anytime, you don't have to worry about anything' etc. etc. etc. When I was fresh off the boat I used to buy this hook, line and sinker. Now I just cut it off right away.
As for Mr. Debito's accomplishment, I too applaud him. And I'm glad it was carried by The New York Times. Perhaps it will start a significant change in the average Japanese mindset towards foreigners who are living and working here. Well, one would certainly hope so, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that one. No way.
AssKissinger wrote:I believe that unless you're family or it's very unusual circumstances it's impossible for gaijin and JPN to be real friends. Let me say this to all the gaijin out there: You do not have any Japanese friends. If you think you do you are wrong. It's all a bunch of fake bullshit. If you haven't come to terms with this you should avoid plans for long term residency.
cstaylor wrote:It's gotta be the cultural divide... I mean, without good humor, how can you be friends?
GomiGirl wrote:Or does that fit in the same category as cobblers, my friend???
BTW You always keep me in stitches Mr Taylor!!
cstaylor wrote:Cobblers and piss (inside joke).
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