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J.A.F.O wrote:I'm in the market for new internet service provider. One that preferably doesn't give a damn what I'm doing on the net, although I'm sure that's not much possible anymore. Anyways I'm about to tell my current provider (good deal as it is) to kick rocks. Any suggestions?
Coligny wrote:How DARE you use what you paid for...
What are you ? A communist ?
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Coligny wrote:How DARE you use what you paid for...
What are you ? A communist ?
It depends on whether or not there's anything in the fine print warning you to keep your usage under a certain level.
Coligny wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:Coligny wrote:How DARE you use what you paid for...
What are you ? A communist ?
It depends on whether or not there's anything in the fine print warning you to keep your usage under a certain level.
Also known as bullshit clause.
If usage is the amount transfered by billing period it's utter bullshit. And should be stated numerically.
If usage is the download speed it's also bullshit as it is a technical issue that should be managed at hardware level by the ISP, not the end user.
matsuki wrote:Coligny wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:Coligny wrote:How DARE you use what you paid for...
What are you ? A communist ?
It depends on whether or not there's anything in the fine print warning you to keep your usage under a certain level.
Also known as bullshit clause.
If usage is the amount transfered by billing period it's utter bullshit. And should be stated numerically.
If usage is the download speed it's also bullshit as it is a technical issue that should be managed at hardware level by the ISP, not the end user.
The letters are actually in English (damn offenders must all be gaijin eh?) and say something along the lines of they are "considering limiting my uploading data transfer" if I don't "check" or "lower the level" of uploading I do. While it's not everyday, I have a ton of video, photos, and graphic design work I am constantly uploading, for example, when I need to print new product catalogs. Each file is a few gigs and I can easily surpass their 30gb per day mark if I have to revise anything and re upload....which is just about everytime. Then there are massive amounts of raw photo files of the car/drivers we sponsor, events, etc. So far I haven't noticed any throttling but the letters are coming weekly so I probably should call and ask WTF?
matsuki wrote:So far I haven't noticed any throttling but the letters are coming weekly so I probably should call and ask WTF?
Wage Slave wrote:matsuki wrote:So far I haven't noticed any throttling but the letters are coming weekly so I probably should call and ask WTF?
And they will probably say, "Mr Matsuki, your contract with us for internet services is, and is priced as, a home internet service. That is, it is for normal domestic and social use. The amount of data you are uploading and downloading is not consistent with that. Rather it suggests you are using the internet service for business purposes. That being the case we feel you should have a service contract that reflects, and is priced to reflect, that fact."
I might not completely agree with them but you have to admit they have a point ......The more capacity you are using up the less that is available for them to sign up new users and the sooner they have to build new capacity. That all costs money.
matsuki wrote:It's also not hard to imagine a larger family or residence with several people uploading/downloading more than me in a day..
I have a ton of video, photos, and graphic design work I am constantly uploading, for example, when I need to print new product catalogs. Each file is a few gigs and I can easily surpass their 30gb per day mark if I have to revise anything and re upload....which is just about everytime. Then there are massive amounts of raw photo files of the car/drivers we sponsor, events, etc.
Wage Slave wrote:I might not completely agree with them but you have to admit they have a point ......The more capacity you are using up the less that is available for them to sign up new users and the sooner they have to build new capacity. That all costs money.
Wage Slave wrote:I might not completely agree with them but you have to admit they have a point .......
Coligny wrote:If your contract say : max 30G upload and you use more... STFU and upgrade your subscription.Wage Slave wrote:I might not completely agree with them but you have to admit they have a point ......The more capacity you are using up the less that is available for them to sign up new users and the sooner they have to build new capacity. That all costs money.
The don't build, they rent bandwith to an operator having direct POP with the net. If their users need more BW than their contract allows they are overselling.
You rent a line between your house and the ISP office. The ISP usually just buy bandwith to bulk operator most certainly NTT. And They plug you to the internet through the undersea cables leaving from the Big T, Shima or Tokyo.
Wage Slave wrote:matsuki wrote:It's also not hard to imagine a larger family or residence with several people uploading/downloading more than me in a day..
Really?
Coligny wrote:They complain about content or traffic volumes?
J.A.F.O wrote:Coligny wrote:They complain about content or traffic volumes?
Content, I guess I can understand the stuff that's still in theaters but some of what I grab has been out for years.
Coligny wrote:Never had this kind of shit from asahi.net.
But would not stick with a provider who put his nose that deep in my traffic.
Coligny wrote:Or Netflix, hulu and youtube HD are starting to scare isp who were used to customers paying for fiber speed but using at best twitter...
The issues of limited unlimited data subscription is nothing new... And there will always be people to defend isp for basically comitting fraud. Can't sell unlimited, good, then don't write that word on the contract, as simple as that...
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Coligny wrote:Or Netflix, hulu and youtube HD are starting to scare isp who were used to customers paying for fiber speed but using at best twitter...
The issues of limited unlimited data subscription is nothing new... And there will always be people to defend isp for basically comitting fraud. Can't sell unlimited, good, then don't write that word on the contract, as simple as that...
I was thinking more about them spying on JAFO's content than the volume issue matsuki mentioned but, yeah, that's probably what's going on with that. I'm sure there's some weasel clause buried in the fine print though that let's them escape any claims of fraud.
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