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wagyl wrote:Sometimes the resurrection of a thread has value. I am not sure if this is one of those occasions.
A zombie icon would be cool though.
wagyl wrote:I can understand that feeling when Tokyo stops being somewhere to live, and ends up being somewhere to exist, or worse, endure. If you are prepared to make some compromises, there are nicer, more human, greener parts of Tokyo to choose to live.
For me, Tokyo had stopped thrilling me but I didn't want that to be a reason to abandon Japan. Going home would mean having to build a career again anyway, so I made a shift within Japan. That wasn't easy either, but I am happy with my choice. Tokyo is not really representative of Japan. Unfortunately, the career opportunities in Tokyo are not representative of those in the rest of Japan either
Yokohammer wrote:Quality of life increases dramatically as you move away from Tokyo.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Yokohammer wrote:Quality of life increases dramatically as you move away from Tokyo.
Yeah, downtown Nagoya and Osaka are really beautiful compared to Western Tokyo and Kanagawa.
Yokohammer wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:Yokohammer wrote:Quality of life increases dramatically as you move away from Tokyo.
Yeah, downtown Nagoya and Osaka are really beautiful compared to Western Tokyo and Kanagawa.
I think you understood what I meant, but just in case you really did miss the point I'll append some more detail to that sentence:
Quality of life increases dramatically as you move away from Tokyo (or any of the other overpopulated, high-stress, concrete-coated, dirty, kiss-your-ass-goodbye-in-a-major-disaster metropolitan shit holes on the Japanese archipelago).
Did I miss anything?
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Quality of life mean easy access to nightlife, pussy, and a variety of good restaurants in my book.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Having spent the majority of my life in big cities, I've always loved the way people who live in small towns or the country feel it's OK to tell you how horrible the city you live in is and how they could never imagine living in such a dirty, crowded, stressful, dangerous, etc. place.
chokonen888 wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:Having spent the majority of my life in big cities, I've always loved the way people who live in small towns or the country feel it's OK to tell you how horrible the city you live in is and how they could never imagine living in such a dirty, crowded, stressful, dangerous, etc. place.
SJ, would you really want to raise a family here?
Coligny wrote:raaahhh New York in the 70'...
Nearly as romantic as my hometown of Verdun in 1919
(i can see my house from here... bottom of the pict third crater to the right...)
chokonen888 wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:Having spent the majority of my life in big cities, I've always loved the way people who live in small towns or the country feel it's OK to tell you how horrible the city you live in is and how they could never imagine living in such a dirty, crowded, stressful, dangerous, etc. place.
SJ, would you really want to raise a family here?
Samurai_Jerk wrote:I have no desire to raise a family period but I grew up in NYC and loved it.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:And living in Tokyo doesn't mean I can't have an inaka weekend if I want to.
chokonen888 wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:I have no desire to raise a family period but I grew up in NYC and loved it.
Well that does make sense, if I wanted to bang my way through generation Y, Z (and whatever comes after Z?) I'd probably stay in Tokyo.
As to growing up in NYC....can NYC really be compared to Tokyo?
Population Density alone paints quite a different picture: NYC: 2,050 people per square km Tokyo: 14,728 people per square km
That being said, I'm from the outskirts of LA, with a population density so insignificant, I can't even find the info readily available...so I imagine it's much less of a leap for you than it is for me to want to live permanently in Tokyo.Samurai_Jerk wrote:And living in Tokyo doesn't mean I can't have an inaka weekend if I want to.
Right...but if you're like me and spending most weekends in the inaka, it makes more sense to own a home/car outside the inflated cost bubble that surrounds Tokyo (Unless you're making mad money there....in which case, it's understandable to be tied to the city Mon~Fri) and have Tokyo weekdays/weekends when needed.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:By the way, your stats for NYC population density are way off (they're probably for the NY metro area which includes CT, NJ, White Plains, etc.). Besides I grew up in downtown Manhattan.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:chokonen888 wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:I have no desire to raise a family period but I grew up in NYC and loved it.
Well that does make sense, if I wanted to bang my way through generation Y, Z (and whatever comes after Z?) I'd probably stay in Tokyo.
As to growing up in NYC....can NYC really be compared to Tokyo?
Population Density alone paints quite a different picture: NYC: 2,050 people per square km Tokyo: 14,728 people per square km
That being said, I'm from the outskirts of LA, with a population density so insignificant, I can't even find the info readily available...so I imagine it's much less of a leap for you than it is for me to want to live permanently in Tokyo.Samurai_Jerk wrote:And living in Tokyo doesn't mean I can't have an inaka weekend if I want to.
Right...but if you're like me and spending most weekends in the inaka, it makes more sense to own a home/car outside the inflated cost bubble that surrounds Tokyo (Unless you're making mad money there....in which case, it's understandable to be tied to the city Mon~Fri) and have Tokyo weekdays/weekends when needed.
You're missing my point. If you prefer not to live in Tokyo, that's great. I have zero interest in going away on the weekends but I do care about things like access to nightlife, MMA (training and going to see fights), movie theaters that play independent films, and good restaurants. What I don't like is the attitude of a lot people who choose not to live in big cities. They seem to think they're making an objectively better lifestyle choice and think it's OK to talk about how horrible cities are. And the condescending question about raising kids in the city is the worst of all. What's so bad about raising kids in the city? Besides if I were to lose my mind, get married, and start having kids, I could see an advantage to raising them in Tokyo where there are more foreigners and mixed kids than in a lot of other places in Japan.
By the way, your stats for NYC population density are way off (they're probably for the NY metro area which includes CT, NJ, White Plains, etc.). Besides I grew up in downtown Manhattan.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:You're missing my point. If you prefer not to live in Tokyo, that's great. I have zero interest in going away on the weekends but I do care about things like access to nightlife, MMA (training and going to see fights), movie theaters that play independent films, and good restaurants. What I don't like is the attitude of a lot people who choose not to live in big cities. They seem to think they're making an objectively better lifestyle choice and think it's OK to talk about how horrible cities are.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:And the condescending question about raising kids in the city is the worst of all. What's so bad about raising kids in the city? Besides if I were to lose my mind, get married, and start having kids, I could see an advantage to raising them in Tokyo where there are more foreigners and mixed kids than in a lot of other places in Japan.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:By the way, your stats for NYC population density are way off (they're probably for the NY metro area which includes CT, NJ, White Plains, etc.). Besides I grew up in downtown Manhattan.
chokonen888 wrote:Are you really sure there are more foreigners and mixed kids in Tokyo? If you mean white foreigners and mixed with white kids I would agree but I've met waaaay more "less visible" foreigners from the Kansai region and way more mixed people from the cuntryside.
My real gripe point is that even when I was in NYC, the times I encountered lines, they were pretty short and reasonable....nearly anything you want to do anything in Tokyo involves lines, crowds, and oh too often that one thing you want is sold out.
chokonen888 wrote:What those too are saying...I'm "escaping" Tokyo in the next few months as well and while it wasn't exactly my first choice, I'm looking forward to it.
There's not enough to go around outside the big cities and there is a tendency for others to guard every bit of info jealously or sit on jobs/job info and keep passing it around a clique.
wangta wrote:chokonen888 wrote:What those too are saying...I'm "escaping" Tokyo in the next few months as well and while it wasn't exactly my first choice, I'm looking forward to it.
Where did you end up going? I'm not asking you to pinpoint your exact location but roughly where?
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