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France can strip a French-Moroccan man convicted of terrorism-related crimes of his French nationality, the country’s constitutional council has ruled.
The authority, whose 12 members are known as les sages (the wise), declared on Friday that the fight against terrorism justified what lawyers lambasted as unequal treatment of those who become French compared with those who are born French.
France is currently dealing with the causes and consequences of a series of terrorist attacks that began when gunmen killed 12 people at the offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo just over two weeks ago.
The council had been asked to rule on the case of Ahmed Sahnouni, a Moroccan-born man naturalised in 2003, who was convicted and given a seven-year prison sentence in March 2013 for “association with criminals in relation to a terrorist plot”.
Due for release at the end of 2015, Sahnouni was stripped of his French nationality last May by a decree signed by the prime minister, Manuel Valls, and the interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, but he contested the punishment.
The council’s decision will set a legal precedent for future cases.
Earlier this week, Valls said the removal of a person’s nationality “is a legitimate question that arises regarding the consequences to which a person exposes themselves when they decide to attack the nation to which they belong because they were born there or have been accepted there”.
Stripping convicted prisoners of their nationality is a threat that has been made by the far-right Front National party, and the opposition rightwing UMP party, but has been used in only eight cases since 1973.
The punishment can be applied only in rare cases concerning those holding dual nationality, having acquired French citizenship, who have been convicted of “a crime or offence constituting an act of terrorism” either before they became French or within 15 years of being naturalised.
Sahnouni’s lawyer, Nurettin Meseci, argued before the council that the removing of his French nationality was discriminatory and created an “inequality between those who are French-born and those who are French-naturalised”.
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Russell wrote:Moroccan-born man jailed on terror charges to lose French nationality...Sahnouni’s lawyer, Nurettin Meseci, argued before the council that the removing of his French nationality was discriminatory and created an “inequality between those who are French-born and those who are French-naturalised”.
Yokohammer wrote:Russell wrote:Moroccan-born man jailed on terror charges to lose French nationality...Sahnouni’s lawyer, Nurettin Meseci, argued before the council that the removing of his French nationality was discriminatory and created an “inequality between those who are French-born and those who are French-naturalised”.
I noticed this fascinating bit of news earlier, and my first thought was not so much how much of a precedent it would set for France, but for other countries such as, oh, I dunno, Japan? Maybe even the US? Could naturalisation become just another super-visa?
Once the precedent is set, we could start seeing citizenship revoked for a whole spectrum of not-so-serious reasons.
Russell wrote:Yokohammer wrote:Russell wrote:Moroccan-born man jailed on terror charges to lose French nationality...Sahnouni’s lawyer, Nurettin Meseci, argued before the council that the removing of his French nationality was discriminatory and created an “inequality between those who are French-born and those who are French-naturalised”.
I noticed this fascinating bit of news earlier, and my first thought was not so much how much of a precedent it would set for France, but for other countries such as, oh, I dunno, Japan? Maybe even the US? Could naturalisation become just another super-visa?
Once the precedent is set, we could start seeing citizenship revoked for a whole spectrum of not-so-serious reasons.
I think the point here is that for people with double nationality they can loose one in certain circumstances. People with only one nationality would become stateless in this case, and this is frowned upon by the international community.
I remember that 30 or 40 years ago in the Netherlands one could loose his nationality after joining the French Foreign Legion, but this gave rise to too many people becoming stateless.
Since Japan only allows one nationality for people who naturalize, it will be much more difficult to take away that nationality afterwards.
So, it works two ways. If you have a double nationality, you have certain advantages, but the disadvantage is that you would be able to loose one under the above circumstances. This argument should also be made in the French case, in my opinion, since the discrimination the lawyer speaks of is offset by the advantages that French-Moroccan man had due to his double nationality.
A person having a dual nationality does not lose Moroccan nationality. However, that can create problems for people who also have nationality of countries that do not allow their nationals to have multiple citizenship. Two cases are Japan (Japanese nationality law) and South Korea (South Korean nationality law). Unlike Morocco, South Korea and Japan do not allow their nationals to keep multiple citizenships in their adult years.
Sahnouni’s lawyer, Nurettin Meseci, argued before the council that the removing of his French nationality was discriminatory and created an “inequality between those who are French-born and those who are French-naturalised”.
The jail that turns criminals into hardcore radicals
Coligny wrote:That's just great...The jail that turns criminals into hardcore radicals
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the ... ar-AA8HuGU
A gunman killed at least one person and wounded three police officers after opening fire Saturday on a cultural centre in Copenhagen as it was hosting a debate on Islam and free speech.
Swedish artist Lars Vilks -- the author of controversial Prophet Mohammed cartoons that sparked worldwide protests in 2007 -- was among those at the debate targeted by the gunman, who fled the scene after a shootout with police.
Danish police shot and killed a man early Sunday suspected of carrying out shooting attacks at a free speech event and then at a Copenhagen synagogue, killing two men, including a member of Denmark's Jewish community. Five police officers were also wounded in the attacks.
Coligny wrote:Freedom of speech...
This posted on the facebook page of a french right wing politician:
Got her 9 month in jail firm...
Coligny wrote:"In 'Murica we shoot back"
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/05/ ... hoot-back/
The sad day I agreed with foxnews...
But they do not have a constitutional right to gun down those who might say or write or draw something that disparages the Prophet Muhammad.
Coligny wrote:Welcome canada to the certified retard club...
Eat your bacon while it's still allowed and not considered a hate crime too...
Coligny wrote:Eat your bacon while it's still allowed and not considered a hate crime too...
Coligny wrote:So, after the clowns unable to keep their religious beliefs for themselves, we now also have to deal with the attention whores unable to keep their newly decided absence of religious beliefs for themselves...
in a made up crusade fighting the uncoolest belief to date having a point is not that hard.Russell wrote:Coligny wrote:So, after the clowns unable to keep their religious beliefs for themselves, we now also have to deal with the attention whores unable to keep their newly decided absence of religious beliefs for themselves...
Your post comes 13 minutes after mine, which is much less than the length of the speech.
Not watching the video and still commenting on it: how untellectual...
And she has a point.
Coligny wrote:in a made up crusade fighting the uncoolest belief to date having a point is not that hard.
I think She expose her position clearly enough at the start of her speech. I don't need to go through 20 minutes of bullshit rationalization. Especially knowing how prolific these people can be,hell Alex Jones got a whole channel as his own shoutbox... The "look at me I'm a muslim" tshirt stinks as much as "look at me I'm no longer a muslim" it equally bores my godless mind. If you need to id yourself to what you believe in or what you fight to say you no longer believe in you are in the same jail.
If you don't believe in something... Then why should you make it your crusade... And why should I care about it.
It's the same as with gay and lesbian. Do whatever the fuck you want... If you start to parade around "look at me i'm gay" don't ask me to care or enjoy your company more than jeovah witness trying to sell their shit...
In fact her bullshit is on level with anti pornography advocates. People that want to make a sanctified crusade out of something other enjoy or choose to follow.
If your daily job title is being anti something... You're not far from cops on power trip just wishing you had a badge.
Look at peta, same madness... You know what they are against (highlighting the -problem- part)... But when you look at the solution part... You run for the hills.
Look at the "anti car" policies in city who usually focus more on making the streets undriveable rather than working on a true replacement solution.
Look at all the previous anti nuclear movement 70' early 80'). They were not selling alternatives energy sources, just promoting shitting in buckets and living with goats.
Your anti muslim post in a thread started by terrorist murder from radical islamist is complete bullshit.
You want to highlighht real issues, go there:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31129398
As of now the anti muslim bullshit is as sickening as the antisemite crap of the late 30'
kurogane wrote:I would even go for "as long as your religion and politics are kept private" rather than secular, but yeah to the rest of that. I thoroughly despise the religious fanatacism of the Dawkinsite Bible Bashers. Aunty Thesis is merely reactive, which results in an incomplete dialectic transformation, Captain.
kurogane wrote:I would even go for "as long as your religion and politics are kept private" rather than secular, but yeah to the rest of that. I thoroughly despise the religious fanatacism of the Dawkinsite Bible Bashers. Aunty Thesis is merely reactive, which results in an incomplete dialectic transformation, Captain.
A young Moroccan armed with a Kalashnikov and a knife opened fire in a high-speed train traveling from Amsterdam to Paris Friday, injuring three people -- including two American soldiers who subdued him, according to French media reports
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The French actor Jean-Hugues Anglade also reportedly injured his hand when he broke a glass to pull an alarm.
The 26-year-old suspect was arrested after the train stopped in Arras, 115 miles north of Paris, Interior Ministry spokesman Pierre-Henri Brandet said on French television BFM.
The Prefect of Pas-de-Calais, Fabienne Buccio, said the suspect should be regarded as a terrorist, according to La Voix du Nord.
The French newspaper La Voix du Nord reports that the gunman was overpowered by passengers, including the two soldiers. The newspaper said the pair heard the man loading the automatic weapon in a bathroom on the train and overpowered the gunman before he could open fire inside the main train cars.
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