Senkakus defended against Chinese Invasion!

[Taro Toporific]

Japanese warships attack Chinese fishing boats off Diaoyu Island
2004-01-15 23:43:15 --- XIAMEN, Jan. 15 (Xinhuanet) -- Ten Japanese warships and a plane attacked two Chinese fishing boats using a water cannon Thursday night at areas off Chinese Diaoyu Islands, injuring one Chinese boatman...
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Coast guard blocks Chinese activists on way to disputed isles
The Japan Times: Jan. 16, 2004 NAHA, Okinawa Pref. (Kyodo) The Japan Coast Guard on Thursday blocked two fishing vessels carrying 20 Chinese activists attempting to land on the disputed Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea. The two vessels briefly entered Japanese territorial waters ...

[AssKissinger]

Holy Shit! They must be out of their freaking minds. What the fuck would they do if China decided to hit back? I don't care if it was water canons. A Chinese man was injured by an attack by the Japanese military. Jesus. That's bad.

[ramchop]

BBC

A Japanese coastguard spokesman said that he was not aware of any injuries and that only one water cannon was fired, after a rock was thrown from one of the protest ships.

It was self-defence! Rock, water cannon... what's the next step up in the Senkaku/Diaoyu arms race?

Is it common to find stray rocks on a boat?

[ramchop]

Kyodo

Thousands protest China's ruling on H.K. democracy reform
HONG KONG, Japan - Some 20,000 people marched through the streets of Hong Kong on April 11 to protest against Beijing's tightening control on democrat ...

[devicenull]

What the fuck would they do if China decided to hit back?

squirtgun fight?

[Samurai_Jerk]

Holy Shit! They must be out of their freaking minds. What the fuck would they do if China decided to hit back? I don't care if it was water canons. A Chinese man was injured by an attack by the Japanese military. Jesus. That's bad.

Are you kidding? The Chinese military is garbage. Unless the Chinese decide to nuke Japan they can't do much.

[kurohinge1]

A Re-Match !

Chinese protesters return from disputed islands after run-in with Japanese boats

A boat carrying four volunteers for a Chinese activist group who tried to stage a protest on a small group of disputed islands in the East China sea was on its way home Monday after being blocked by Japanese patrol boats.

The four from the activist group Chinese Foundation of Diaoyu Defense, who say the islands are part of China, set off from Xiamen, in southeast Fujian province, and came within 13 kilometers (8 miles) of the islands Sunday evening, according to their spokesman Li Yan.

They were hindered by three Japanese naval ships using water cannon and one plane, he said, as they held up a Chinese flag.

. . . "If Diaoyu islands are not given back to China our activity will not stop," Li told The Associated Press.

. . . Tokyo told Beijing that the islands "are no doubt our territory historically and according to international law," according to the ministry. Tokyo also said, "It is extremely regrettable something like this happened and we strongly protest," according to the statement . . . more

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Obviously, they didn't get the book suggested last time:

[Buraku]

Are you kidding? The Chinese military is garbage. Unless the Chinese decide to nuke Japan they can't do much.

What fucking drugs do you smoke ? Never hear about the Korean war, a bunch of impoverished Chinese joined in armed with only Soviet rifles and WW2 era artillery they went toe-to-toe with the U.S and its NATO allies and drove the Western powers from their position near Pyongyang back down near the initial position near a few miles of Seoul. I agree that China Navy is pretty useless (but it improves every year), Air force is a degree better and getting very good at producing/copying stuff but the China Army is undeniably one of the mightiest if not the strongest on the planet, underestimate it to your own embarrassment.


Here's more on Sino-Jpn relations

China says poison dumplings "sabotaged"
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSPEK102283

Chinese-made dumplings which made 10 people sick in Japan had been sabotaged, most probably in Japan, China's security and quality watchdogs said on Thursday.

[Buraku]

Feb 11 (Reuters)
http://www.reuters.com
- China is "intensely concerned" at reports in Japanese media that Japan has permanently stationed a coastguard ship in the waters around a group of disputed islands in the East China Sea, the Foreign Ministry said on Wednesday.

The Japanese-controlled Diaoyu islands, known in Japan as the Senkaku isles, are thought to lie near oil and gas reserves and have long been a source of friction between China, Japan and Taiwan. "According to Japanese media reports, the Japan Coastguard on Feb. 1 dispatched an ... inspection vessel which can carry helicopters to be permanently stationed in the waters around the Diaoyu Islands, to strengthen the 'garrison system' of the islands," China's Foreign Ministry said.

"If the reports are true, this is a serious violation of China's territorial sovereignty, and China expresses its intense concern," it said in a statement on its website (http://www.fmprc.gov.cn).

"If the Japanese side takes actions to escalate the Diaoyu islands' issue, the Chinese side cannot but have a strong reaction, and Japan should be clearly aware of this," it added, attributing the statement to an unnamed official.

Last year, China accused Japan of infringing upon its sovereignty after Japanese lawmakers conducted an aerial survey of the islands.

That was preceded by another diplomatic scuffle after the collision of a Japanese coastguard ship and a Taiwan fishing boat in the same area, 2,000 km (1,200 miles) south of Tokyo.



Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Jiang Yu's Remarks on Japan's Maritime Safety Agency Stationing Patrol Vessels in the Waters of the Diaoyu Islands
http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/xwfw/s2510/t535678.htm

[Boomer]

What fucking drugs do you smoke ? Never hear about the Korean war, a bunch of impoverished Chinese joined in armed with only Soviet rifles and WW2 era artillery they went toe-to-toe with the U.S and its NATO allies and drove the Western powers from their position near Pyongyang back down near the initial position near a few miles of Seoul.

Actually, it was only after the United States left South Korea that the North invaded. They actually took the entire peninsula except for a little bit of territory around Pusan. The Americans were finally mobilized out of Japan and, combined with several other nations under command of the United Nations, re-took the peninsula, in some areas well past the 38th parallel. It was only by treaty that the north got that back.

I agree that China Navy is pretty useless (but it improves every year), Air force is a degree better and getting very good at producing/copying stuff but the China Army is undeniably one of the mightiest if not the strongest on the planet, underestimate it to your own embarrassment.

Well, if you are discussing numbers, then China and North Korea have extremely impressive numbers. Unfortunately for them, modern warfare is much different than the fifties. In a strictly military engagement, China would be in bad shape against the U.S. or Russia, its two biggest threats at this time. However, beating an army and pacifying a country are much different propositions, as we see in Iraq.

The real issue is, China could never get its army anywhere by ship, because they just don't have the capability. They can't even invade Taiwan. The only way that they would be able to take either would be to practice a scorched earth policy, which would probably utilize nukes. Kind of defeats the purpose, no?

Of course, China has almost bought the U.S. outright, so they will be invading courtesy of China Air.

[Buraku]

Ok I'm going to quote wikipedia here not because wiki is fucking credible or anything

but only because its a lot more honest than the garbage you are posting Boomer

Actually, it was only after the United States left South Korea that the North invaded.

Really they all left South Korea?
What happened did Captain Kirk fucking beam everyone back to NewYork and California? and hand Korea to China? The fact is the Chinese did not intervene until much later so
Stop talking shit
.....Where is China in 1950?
No where!
....Where is the US forces in 1950? Perhaps a lot closer to Seoul than Beijing is to Seoul?
I quote wiki

" US administration responded by declaring martial law"....

"United States still had substantial forces in Japan to oppose the North Korean military "...

"government that emerged was led by anti-communist U.S.-educated strongman Syngman Rhee,...

" the American Task Force Smith, part of the U.S. Army's 24th Infantry Division based in Japan.On July 5, it fought for the first time at Osan and was immediately defeated with 1,416 casualties and 785 taken prisoner.The victorious North Korean forces advanced southwards, and the 24th Division was forced to retreat to Taejeon" ....

".....CIA officer named Douglas MacKiernan stationed in China gathered intelligence that predicted the war."

not exactly the picture you paint is it?

They actually took the entire peninsula except for a little bit of territory around Pusan.

Good for us. But you know what it don't matter a shit.
The war was still a fucking stalemate. Saying America won because it was almost winning the peninsula is a silly claim almost as silly as DPRK propaganda. That's like saying Carl Lewis was winning the first 90 M against Usain Bolt but then fucked up at the last 10 M....ok we didn't lose the war per say but a fuck up is still a fuck up

It was only by treaty that the north got that back.

WTF are you on about?
Are you one of these dickheads who thought MacArthur walked on water?
I quote wiki
Over 36,000 plus dead
Over 92,000 seriously wounded
Over 7,000 taken prisoner.....that's dozens of times more worse and more bloody than GW's misadventure in Iraq
that's just American casualties and that was so we could only fight the Chinese to a stalemate, not a win
I don't get why there's this kind of cult of personality with some US citizens who think MacArthur was the greatest dude who ever lived...its stupid it reminds me of those stupid cults of personality where people worship the commie leaders. MacArthur was great in WW2
but with Korea/China he was a fool!!
then with all the political shit he got into it looked like he was going to hijack the Presidency from Truman, what an A-hole!
MacArthur said only a few thousand Chinese would get involved in Korea and if they did get involved in large numbers it would be a picnic and the Chinese would be slaughtered. The Chinese countered with one million as MacArthur eyed their border - ONE MILLION TROOPS
it turned out to be a nightmare!

Unfortunately for them, modern warfare is much different than the fifties.

I agree but so is China, they ain't just a peasant army with AK47s anymore, they have been slowly modernizing their forces over the years
A war like this would be of much bigger scale
US losses will be bigger, the casualties in Japan would be huge and in S.Korea civilians lost probably in the millions. A war like this and the Economies of Asia would probably crash worse than WallSt during the Great Depression

In a strictly military engagement, China would be in bad shape against the U.S. or Russia, its two biggest threats at this time.

Yes point taken, the US is without doubt going to be the mightiest military on the planet for a long while.
Russian threats? I'm not sure Russia is a threat anymore. After GW and Cheney started to add everyone...Cuba. Syria etc to their bushisms and AxisofEvils countries like Russia and China got a lot closer. In fact I would almost call the Chinese and Russians allies
and any Sino-Soviet rift Nixon exploited back in the day has long disappeared.
China's huge army might scare us all but what the US has to trump them is the best Navy and AirForce on the planet. Even if its bloody and ugly we will triumph
However the one thing we should never do is get too cocky and discount China's modernization. They are a very different to the old army in the 50s and got things like MBTs, SRBMs, APS, SLBMs, Nukes on their ICBMs and ASAT weapons, soon enough they will be modernizing their Airforce by sending their spies to copy US stealth or euro technology. I imagine last to modernize will be their Navy
cos this naval modernization will cost the most GDP and Carriers popping up will probably be immediately seen as a hostile sign China wants to project its power overseas.

They can't even invade Taiwan. The only way that they would be able to take either would be to practice a scorched earth policy, which would probably utilize nukes. Kind of defeats the purpose, no?

Here's something to ponder : the Chinese will take Taiwan without firing a single shot just like they got HK from the British

Of course, China has almost bought the U.S. outright, so they will be invading courtesy of China Air.

I think the economic thing should be seriously considered,
its a bit concerning when CIA heads and Ex Admirals are warning the stuttering economy is going become the greatest danger to national security.

I do hope Obama stops being so Jimmy Carter-ish and grows some spine to tell hostile nations where to go.

However China is not being hostile to us right now, I would argue they are becoming more free and are trying to extend the hand of friendship
If the proverbial does hit the fan, I think the USA will clearly defeat China in a full on war but I think winning the Chinese is pointless when the outcome of victory means cities like Sanfrancisco and Washington must also be sacrificed in radioactive glass and the US army after such a victory would be left damaged and broken
Anyway I don't see why the USA and China can't just agree to disagree

[Samurai_Jerk]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100908/wl_nm/us_japan_china

Japan has arrested the captain of a Chinese fishing boat that collided with two Japanese coast guard boats near disputed islets in the East China Sea, causing anger in Beijing and reigniting territorial tensions.

China's Foreign Ministry lodged a "strong protest" against the captain's arrest on Wednesday, with Assistant Foreign Minister Hu Zhengyue summoning Japan's ambassador for the second time in two days, Xinhua news agency said.

Hu "demanded that the Japanese side immediately release the ship and crew members on board and guarantee their safety," Xinhua reported.

Tokyo has also lodged protests over the incident but Japan's top government spokesman called for calm while the prime minister said the matter would be dealt with fairly.

"We will deal with this in a fair manner in line with Japanese laws," Prime Minister Naoto Kan told reporters.

A group of about 30 people carrying Chinese flags held a brief demonstration outside Japan's embassy in Beijing, demanding Japan "get out" of the islands, but they soon dispersed.

China's Global Times, a popular tabloid run by the Communist Party, called in an editorial for both sides to act with extreme caution in handling the incident.

"Japan has perhaps lit a fire which could ultimately seriously damage relations and even force a showdown," it wrote. ...

[Behan]

I wouldn't be surprised to see some retaliation in the near future. Japanese fishing ships in the area better be careful.

[IparryU]

"Japan has perhaps lit a fire which could ultimately seriously damage relations and even force a showdown," it wrote. ...

so the base relocation will be put off yet again?

"damn americans! move your base! ohh shit, the Chinese are here! HELLO Americans! We rove USA!"

[Coligny]

I wouldn't be surprised to see some retaliation in the near future. Japanese fishing ships in the area better be careful.

Why ? the amerikun have announced new submarine training maneuvers in the area ? if yes... sure... take everybody out of the water...

[Samurai_Jerk]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100913/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_china_ships_collide

Japan freed 14 crew members of a Chinese ship Monday nearly a week after their vessel collided with two Japanese patrol boats near disputed southern islets, but kept the captain in custody in a case that has angered China.

After authorities had questioned them, the 14 men left on a Chinese chartered plane that was sent to pick them up from where they were on a nearby Japanese island, said the Foreign Ministry, which arranged the flight back.

Japan is also releasing the Chinese ship, which will be operated by a set of crew members who were flown in on the Chinese plane, the ministry said.

China has demanded that Japan release the entire crew, including the captain, Zhan Qixiong, who was arrested for allegedly obstructing official duties during the collision last Tuesday. A Japanese court has granted permission to prosecutors to keep him in custody until Sept. 19 to decide whether to formally indict him.

China has said the confrontation could damage its relations with Japan, underlining the sensitivity of the territorial dispute in the area. .......

[Greji]

China has said the confrontation could damage its relations with Japan, underlining the sensitivity of the territorial dispute in the area. .......

China is quite good at calling the confrontation card on anything it doesn't like, or just feels it can bully "the offender" over to its way of thinking. It's interesting to see Japan, at least in this case, sticking by its guns, ahh I meaning sticking by its chopsticks.

[Iraira]

China is quite good at calling the confrontation card on anything it doesn't like, or just feels it can bully "the offender" over to its way of thinking. It's interesting to see Japan, at least in this case, sticking by its guns, ahh I meaning sticking by its chopsticks.

and those chopsticks were made in _________.

[Samurai_Jerk]

China told the United States not to interfere in a regional dispute over claims to the South China Sea, saying it would only complicate the matter.

Japan's NHK TV reported last week that the United States and southeast Asian countries may announce a joint statement on September 24 that obliquely presses China over its recent activities near disputed isles in the South China Sea.

China has been increasingly strident in asserting its territorial claims, especially maritime ones.

In the past week, it has suspended high-level exchanges with Japan and promised tough counter-measures after a court there extended the detention of the captain of a Chinese boat which collided with two Japanese coastguard ships near disputed islands.

"We express great concern about any possible South China Sea announcement made by the United States and the ASEAN countries," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu told a regular news briefing. ASEAN is the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

"We resolutely oppose any country which has no connection to the South China Sea getting involved in the dispute, and we oppose the internationalization, multilateralization or expansion of the issue. It cannot solve the problem, but make it more complicated," she said.

Washington has criticized Chinese claims to swathes of the South China Sea, where Taiwan and several ASEAN members including Vietnam, Malaysia and the Philippines also assert sovereignty. ...............

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_china_seas

[Marked Trail]

Wacky Taiwanese News Graphics: Chinese Panda vs. Japanese Ninja
japanprobe.com ---2010/09/22/

[Typhoon]

From the map below and China's claims, it looks like China's neighbours have good reason to be concerned



So according to China, If I wade into the sea off a beach in Borneo,
then I'm in Chinese territorial water.
As claims go, it's completely bogus.

China is doing for that US what the US could never have done on it's own.
Pushing the ASEAN countries back into the US sphere of influence.

[Tsuru]

This looks interesting: http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=nl&geocode=&q=mischief+reef&sll=9.774025,114.796143&sspn=8.016222,10.601807&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Mischief+Reef&ll=9.902315,115.537033&spn=0.062653,0.082827&t=h&z=14

It's called "Mischief reef" in the Spratlys just off the coast of the Philippines, it's barely above water and yet it has Chinese shit built on it. What the fuck?

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Here we go:

[Samurai_Jerk]

Japanese prosecutors decided Friday to release the captain of a Chinese fishing boat involved in a collision near disputed islands whose detention raised tensions between the Asian neighbors.

The incident had driven relations between China and Japan to their worst in years. Beijing angrily demanded the captain be released and cut off ministerial-level talks with Japan.

Prosecutors in Okinawa, southern Japan, where the captain has been in custody for more than two weeks, said they would let him go, citing the damage done to relations with China. It was unclear when authorities would release him.

The case is still pending, but it looked increasingly unlikely that charges would be filed.

The news came a day after China said it was investigating four Japanese suspected of illegally filming military targets and entering a military zone without authorization, as well as reports the country had suspended Japan-bound shipments of rare earth metals critical in advanced manufacturing. ....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100924/ap_on_re_as/as_china_japan

[Doctor Stop]

It's called "Mischief reef" in the Spratlys just off the coast of the Philippines, it's barely above water and yet it has Chinese shit built on it.

That's why they called it "Mischief Reef".

[Yokohammer]

Japanese prosecutors decided Friday to release the captain of a Chinese fishing boat involved in a collision near disputed islands whose detention raised tensions between the Asian neighbors.

I'm not sure what to think about this.
My first reaction was "pussies!" But maybe playing the adult card is the best thing to do in this case. I do think the pressure applied by China has been totally uncalled for and has only succeeded in making them look belligerent, especially since their territorial claims seem to be driven more by potential profit than by historical fact. I was pretty sure that Japan would stand firm, and am frankly surprised that they've backed down. I assume this was discussed with the US while Kan was there, and that this decision is at least partly based on that discussion. Confused nonetheless.

[IkemenTommy]

I'm not sure what to think about this.
My first reaction was "pussies!" But maybe playing the adult card is the best thing to do in this case. I do think the pressure applied by China has been totally uncalled for and has only succeeded in making them look belligerent, especially since their territorial claims seem to be driven more by potential profit than by historical fact. I was pretty sure that Japan would stand firm, and am frankly surprised that they've backed down. I assume this was discussed with the US while Kan was there, and that this decision is at least partly based on that discussion. Confused nonetheless.

The US probably had some part in this decision as they had no intention to get into an international conflict in the making. I see China as the big Yakz and they know that this current pansy Obama administration doesn't have the balls. Japan is a big fat pussy also for caving.

[Jack]

I'm not sure what to think about this.
My first reaction was "pussies!" But maybe playing the adult card is the best thing to do in this case. I do think the pressure applied by China has been totally uncalled for and has only succeeded in making them look belligerent, especially since their territorial claims seem to be driven more by potential profit than by historical fact. I was pretty sure that Japan would stand firm, and am frankly surprised that they've backed down. I assume this was discussed with the US while Kan was there, and that this decision is at least partly based on that discussion. Confused nonetheless.

I think everyone realises that China caused itself more harm than good by its bully tactics. Even some China sympathisers may now have second thoughts.

[Greji]

I'm not sure what to think about this.
My first reaction was "pussies!" But maybe playing the adult card is the best thing to do in this case. I do think the pressure applied by China has been totally uncalled for and has only succeeded in making them look belligerent, especially since their territorial claims seem to be driven more by potential profit than by historical fact. I was pretty sure that Japan would stand firm, and am frankly surprised that they've backed down. I assume this was discussed with the US while Kan was there, and that this decision is at least partly based on that discussion. Confused nonetheless.

I think it may be a little early to be able to get a feel for this. Japan did get no less than Secretary Clinton as Secretary of State to make a public commitment that the Japan/US Security Pact covers this area. This is something that the US had previously not chosen to be involved in and also had purposefully not made any statements favoring one side or the other. On the surface it would tend to indicate that the US backs Japan's position on territorial rights. If this is how Japan is reading it, they may have decided that this is neither the issue, nor the time to press their claims more forcefully and have banked the US backing for the selection of a better issue and better timing.
IMHO...

[Kuang_Grade]

As Gregi says, it is a bit early to figure out what happened...but I don't see this as the US stepping in and asking Japan to cave but more Japan realizing it wasn't going to go all in on this, so why play it out longer. Frankly, the US probably could use Japan getting a bit pissy with China to help make some movement with China on some other matters, namely N. Korea. The US did the right thing staying out of the matter early on but as it dragged on, came in to remind everyone that the US effectively has Japan's back on this matter on a macro level....which in the bigger picture, might have suited Japan's needs better than dragging this on.

[Ganma]

The US and Japan are chummy pals once again. Surprise, surprise. I guess they won't be booting those bases out so quickly after all.

Kan, Obama agree to consult on China
NEW YORK (Kyodo) Prime Minister Naoto Kan and U.S. President Barack Obama agreed Thursday their countries will consult closely on the heightened tensions between Japan and China, Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Tetsuro Fukuyama said.
Kan and Obama, meeting in New York on the sidelines of U.N. meetings, also confirmed the importance of the Japan-U.S. security alliance, saying it not only stabilizes the Asia-Pacific region but also serves as a cornerstone for global peace and prosperity.