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canman wrote:It seems to me that if this happened anywhere in the west, there wouldn't be this kind of punishment.
AssKissinger wrote:If that means keeping your speed under 3 kph, so be it.
Netherlander wrote:I'm assuming you wrote that as sarcasm.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:No matter how slow you drive if the road is icy you can lose control. If you're not willing to deal with the consequences of that risk, you shouldn't drive. However, I don't think a person should ever have to serve jail time for a case like this assuming he wasn't drunk and wasn't driving dangerously fast. Cyclists in Japan should also be made to observe road rules and common sense as they are the fucking out of control here. I've had some pretty close calls as a pedestrian with some of these assholes.
Level3 wrote:Wonder if the "Did the local government do a good enough job sanding/salting the roads to help prevent this type of thing?" angle will come into play. From what I remember of living in Kanto,:passout: there's barely even snow plowing beyond major roads, let alone road sanding or salting. Not a good enough cost/death-prevented ratio, I guess. Without that, ANY speed, even 5 kph, is potentially dangerous if something suddenly falls into your path on black ice.
Coligny wrote:So i'm assuming you've never been on a narrow road behind those electric mobility scooters for old peeps... their speed are at walking pace...
Level3 wrote:Wonder if the "Did the local government do a good enough job sanding/salting the roads to help prevent this type of thing?" angle will come into play.
Mike Oxlong wrote:Yeah, even people who should be used to driving in winter conditions seem to forget every year that things can bad out there real fast...
Starts slow, but it's quite the pileup by the end.
Level3 wrote:Still, the main lesson should be "Don't ride your fucking bicycle on a road covered in ice [while probably playing a game on your cell phone and wearing earbuds]. Walk or have your parents pick you up." I assume that angle won't come into pay either. Can't blame parents for letting their kid come home on dangerous roads alone on a bicycle. Or can we?
Netherlander wrote:I'm assuming you wrote that as sarcasm, but I think it can be taken quite literal. When I was driving on an icy road 2 years ago, which I had never done before, I was driving with my chains on going 5 to 10 kph, just so that I could safely come to a stop at any moment. At the time I was thinking that maybe I was overdoing it, but reading this post made me realize that that may not have been the case.
AssKissinger wrote:I'm not being sarcastic.
chokonen888 wrote:So basically the only way to save your ass in this situation is to swerve to the right, likely causing an accident with oncoming traffic, or swerve the left and crash into something else....and catch the uninjured fucker that caused the accident to hold them responsible. (or run and hope you aren't already on youtube before you get home)
canman wrote:SJ, I agree with you 100%! If you are driving the speed limit, not drunk or doing anything dangerous, and a kid on a bicycle veers or falls in front of your car and you hit him, there is no way you should go to jail for that.
There was a case a few years back here where the vice principle of a high school got really drunk, and was being driven to a second party by taxi. He told the driver to let him out and he would walk the rest of the way to the site. Once out of the taxi, he started to stumble and trip along the sidewalk. The road was lined with waist high bushes and trees, and this poor drunk guy happened to fall out in front of another taxi, who, having no time to react, hit and killed him. He was sentenced to two years in traffic jail! He was not speeding or doing anything illegal, just driving looking for fares. But ts drunk fell in front of him, and the law says you must be in control of your car at all times, so he was convicted. As James said, nobody wins, but I think both cases the driver doesn't deserve jail time.
Mike Oxlong wrote:I see you've never experienced black ice before.
chokonen888 wrote:So basically the only way to save your ass in this situation is to swerve to the right, likely causing an accident with oncoming traffic, or swerve the left and crash into something else....and catch the uninjured fucker that caused the accident to hold them responsible. (or run and hope you aren't already on youtube before you get home).
Samurai_Jerk wrote:I think the biggest problem here is that people in general aren't willing to accept that the world is a dangerous place and sometimes shit just happens and it's nobody's fault. I also understand that it's very easy to say that when it wasn't my child that got killed but the law should exist to avoid "justice" based on emotion.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:I think the biggest problem here is that people in general aren't willing to accept that the world is a dangerous place and sometimes shit just happens and it's nobody's fault. I also understand that it's very easy to say that when it wasn't my child that got killed but the law should exist to avoid "justice" based on emotion.
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