i see on skype at 2 am a couple coworkers just signed off and probably called it a day. again, back home all people want to hear about is sushi and fukushima, not my white ramblings about non white people... that's racist!
Doctor Stop wrote:In Japan, working more than 40 hours a week is actually illegal, although there are special case exemptions.
Doctor Stop wrote:The laws have teeth, and would be enforced if Joe Salaryman cared enough to do more than diddly squat.
They of course can put that in your contract but it's not legally valid.Samurai_Jerk wrote:My favorite exception is the one that allows employers to put in your contract that your base monthly pay is X and that includes an assumed Y hours of overtime a month.
What clerk working where are you referring to?IparryU wrote:not convincing at all... if joe salaryman did something the clerk... who the fuck ever... would spend half the time sucking his teeth and crossing his arms before he says gaman.. ganbare.. gaman..
Doctor Stop wrote:They of course can put that in your contract but it's not legally valid.
i would throw this out there. i think people are addicted to working long and hard here
I wish I could remember what this is called in Japanese.
gaijinpunch wrote:I believe it's just called "any old job".
Having said all that, and having plenty of years experience in seeing what it takes to make a business run, I'm not against straight salaries with no overtime pay as long as there is some type of bonus at the end of each half or at least year to offset this.
Times are tough and the economy is shit. I for one do a fuck ton more work now than 2 years ago for less money. Just kind of the way it is. Maybe it's my gaman inside of me, but I'd rather my son not starve than find out. I like my job as well, and not just b/c it keeps me from my wife
Samurai_Jerk wrote:I've met plenty of Japanese people who do get overtime pay including those in white collar jobs.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:I've heard from Japanese people who work at companies that do pay overtime that it can encourage people to be inefficient and fuck off all day so they can put in that extra time and take home more money.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:I've never seen one study that backs up the idea that expecting people to work overtime on a regular basis is a plus for a business. Attitudes like yours are the problem because they're based on gut feeling and anecdotal evidence from people who've never experience anything different and not objective analysis.
I don't think a bonus should be linked to overtime though. It should be linked to results.
I've never seen one study that backs up the idea that expecting people to work overtime on a regular basis is a plus for a business. Attitudes like yours are the problem because they're based on gut feeling and anecdotal evidence from people who've never experience anything different and not objective analysis.
I think gaijinpunch is self-employed? If so, I understand the feeling. You're both right, but it takes a while for a new business to settle; until then, as the new owner you're wearing 16 different hats, trying to manage email, website, phone, time tracking, payroll, insurance payments, etc... a real PITA
cstaylor wrote:Toothless laws with zero enforcement mean diddly squat to Joe Salaryman.
Unfortunately, I'm right. I'm of course willing to be proven wrong. If you can't think of the Japanese term, please give an detail example of what you mean because what you've written doesn't make sense to me.Samurai_Jerk wrote:Unfortunately, you're incorrect. It is legal for certain types of positions. What they do is technically pay you a low base and then calculate the rest as overtime pay for an assumed (for example) 40 hours of overtime a month. I wish I could remember what this is called in Japanese.
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