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Windows 8

Postby chibaka » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:18 am

Fellow FG, I am contemplating the most heinous of sins, that is purchasing Windows 8 from microshaft. I have so far in my life only once given money to those thieves (not including OEM installs), but the time has come to maybe upgrade my XP machine. Any advice about the best place to buy? Online shop? Trip to the weird town that is Akihabara?

Looking for fresh install with new shiny discs, with the minimum of pain to my wallet. I already have a Linux machine, so that isn't an option.

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Re: Windows 8

Postby Coligny » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:37 am

Do the 'buy a hd get oem price' trick still works ?
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Re: Windows 8

Postby wagyl » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:39 am

If we are talking about a new computer, rather than installation DVDs and a licence, I have bought my last few machines built to order from Frontier http://www.frontier-direct.jp/

I especially like that you can choose how much RAM you want and choose not to have a Windows license and choose not to get yet another keyboard or yet another mouse.

I was really really happy when six years ago they offered a 5 year send back warranty, because that XP machine ended up with a quadrupling of RAM and six-fold increase in HD capacity through warranty repairs, but they no longer make the mistake of offering five year warranties.

That XP machine is now happily running Linux: this whole inconvenience and cost of upgrading from an adequate but end-of-life OS has meant that I finally took the plunge to learn about Linux: a possiblty less inconvenient learning curve and infintesimally less cost to upgrade. I did the same for my 80 year old mother's box, and both she and I are happy with the results.

... and as you have experience already, I feel compelled to ask: why do you think you need Win 8?
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Re: Windows 8

Postby chibaka » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:00 am

Coligny wrote:Do the 'buy a hd get oem price' trick still works ?


You'll need need to be more specific, in English would be nice :)

wagyl wrote:I feel compelled to ask: why do you think you need Win 8?


I don't really need Win 8, for most things Linux Ubuntu is more than adequate. Occasional issues with hardware compatibility, scanners etc, but it works well.
But I have an XP machine, which is quite well spec'd, so if I can give it a refresh with Win 8 for a reasonable cost then I'd like to do it. XP has had a gazillion updates over the years, bloated like my waste line probably.
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Re: Windows 8

Postby J.A.F.O » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:34 am

I have a not so legal answer :oops:
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Re: Windows 8

Postby Coligny » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:38 am

If your question was aboot where to buy an aircraft carrier and not a windows 8 install DVD I recommend DCNS Brest naval shipyard over Newport News shipbuilding... I especially like that you can choose different scent for the soap bars for the men AND women showers...

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Coligny wrote:Do the 'buy a hd get oem price' trick still works ?


You'll need need to be more specific, in English would be nice :)
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In win7 days, buying some piece of hardware was used as an excuse to sell OEM discounted version of the OS instead of the full retail price...
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Re: Windows 8

Postby chibaka » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:57 am

Coligny wrote:In win7 days, buying some piece of hardware was used as an excuse to sell OEM discounted version of the OS instead of the full retail price...


Haven't seen that, it may be an option even though I don't need hardware.

J.A.F.O wrote:I have a not so legal answer :oops:


Those answers are just as welcome as the inexpensive kind :)
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Re: Windows 8

Postby IparryU » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:51 am

J.A.F.O wrote:I have a not so legal answer :oops:

Ya... Exactly...

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Re: Windows 8

Postby nikoneko » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:07 pm

If you can get it I would go with Win 7 instead of 8. I have not heard one single person from professional to home user who likes 8.

I also 3rd the umm questionable but works method.
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Re: Windows 8

Postby yanpa » Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:54 pm

The Windows admin at my previous place of employment was quite fond of Windows 8. Mind you I think his training was sponsored by Microsoft or something.

First (and only time) I installed it (in a VM), I thought the VM's graphic adapter was stuck in 16 colour mode or something (seriously, it put me in mind of those old fullscreen DOS text applications, except with DOS at least you didn't have to play "hunt the magic pixel").
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Re: Windows 8

Postby Wage Slave » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:18 pm

yanpa wrote:First (and only time) I installed it (in a VM), I thought the VM's graphic adapter was stuck in 16 colour mode or something (seriously, it put me in mind of those old fullscreen DOS text applications, except with DOS at least you didn't have to play "hunt the magic pixel").


That's exactly what I thought on my only encounter with it on my niece's new Fujitsu laptop. Another highlight was finally working out you had to scroll horizontally through three screens of tiles for God knows what, random images of beautiful people etc to find a way to start Office hidden in the corner.
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Re: Windows 8

Postby Coligny » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:22 pm

Like for everything else...

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Re: Windows 8

Postby American Oyaji » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:01 pm

Get Win7 if you can. Win8 is almost as bad as Vista
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Re: Windows 8

Postby Coligny » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:04 pm

American Oyaji wrote:Get Win7 if you can. Win8 is almost as bad as Vista


Wait !? you mean it's still better than millenium ?
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Re: Windows 8

Postby Russell » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:15 pm

I recently bought a Windows 8 laptop for my work, but I was so pissed off at my first encounters with it, that I did not touch it since (so much for a touch interface on a non-touch-screen).

Mind you, I asked one of our system engineers to set it up for me, which took him quite some time.

Maybe, I will start to use it in the future if they make it behave like Windows 7 without the bugs, but until then I will fall back on my Windows 7 laptops.

The only reason I did not switch yet to Linux is Powerpoint, but that piece of shit has degraded too in the last years.

And Apple, yekkhh....
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Re: Windows 8

Postby Coligny » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:28 pm

Russell wrote:And Apple, yekkhh....


Yea... But aside from iTunes, still the most simple way to get shit done... Since 1984...
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Re: Windows 8

Postby chibaka » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:30 pm

Coligny wrote:Wait !? you mean it's still better than millenium ?


Ohh that brings back memories, and not good ones. A piece of shite...
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Re: Windows 8

Postby yanpa » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:05 pm

Coligny wrote:
Russell wrote:And Apple, yekkhh....


Yea... But aside from iTunes, still the most simple way to get shit done... Since 1984...


No one will be taking away my certfied Unix laptop, that's for sure.
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Re: Windows 8

Postby Coligny » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:09 pm

chibaka wrote:
Coligny wrote:Wait !? you mean it's still better than millenium ?


Ohh that brings back memories, and not good ones. A piece of shite...


Troubleshooting windows might be the only thing that makes food poisoning a better alternative to spend the night...
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Re: Windows 8

Postby Coligny » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:10 pm

yanpa wrote:
Coligny wrote:
Russell wrote:And Apple, yekkhh....


Yea... But aside from iTunes, still the most simple way to get shit done... Since 1984...


No one will be taking away my certfied Unix laptop, that's for sure.


Especially since the previous lube spill incident...
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Re: Windows 8

Postby J.A.F.O » Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:23 am

chibaka wrote:
J.A.F.O wrote:I have a not so legal answer :oops:


Those answers are just as welcome as the inexpensive kind :)


I am not sure if you use bit torrent however TPB has a wide assortment of Win 8.1 files. I can p.m. you the most prominent one if you like. Seems legit but I am not running on Win 8 either ... and not really intending to.
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Re: Windows 8

Postby J.A.F.O » Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:20 am

KAT is another alternative to TPB
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Re: Windows 8

Postby chibaka » Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:34 pm

Thanks for the comments, work in progress.... Based on popular opinion, Win 7 seems the better option.
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Re: Windows 8

Postby Wage Slave » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:34 pm

J.A.F.O wrote:KAT is another alternative to TPB


I see D is back as well.
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Re: Windows 8

Postby J.A.F.O » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:36 pm

Wage Slave wrote:
J.A.F.O wrote:KAT is another alternative to TPB


I see D is back as well.


Word!?! huh wonder if my old account is still good... Missed big D and his trident. Thanks for the heads up!
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Re: Windows 8

Postby Coligny » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:56 pm

Tee heee heee...



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Re: Windows 8

Postby FG Lurker » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:07 am

The company has MSDN so I get to try out the new versions of stuff as it comes out.

Currently my main OS on my main computer is Win8.1. Overall I like it. It boots super-fast, is incredibly stable, and has no problems with my triple display setup. I haven't had any issues finding drivers.

The "start screen" takes a little getting used to but once you get rid of most of the default tiles it actually works pretty well. You can also just hit the windows button on your keyboard and just start typing the name of the program you wish to run. It brings up a list of applications that match.

The full screen metro-mode apps work well on tablets (I have a Surface Pro 2) but are ridiculous on desktops. I have two 24" 1920x1200 displays and a 27" 2560x1440 display. I don't need my weather app or music player to take up an entire screen. Thankfully it's possible to just avoid these full-screen apps and stick to normal stuff. Office runs as you would expect, as do browsers, mail clients, Skype, VLC, and all the dev tools I run.

I've never been an eye-candy guy when it comes to OSes so I have always disabled any extra graphics. Vista / Win7 Aero is absurd, IMO. I like the simplified Win8 display graphics, they keep the screen clean and free of clutter. I want to focus on what I am working on, not admire pointless graphical touches to the OS.

Overall if you are buying a new OS I would definitely buy Win8 or 8.1.
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