Self Defense only or not

[Salty]

Ooops….

Experts' 'unconstitutional' verdict on security bills rattles ruling officials

http://mainichi.jp/english/english/news ... 2000c.html

So it seems that the LDP should not invite constitutional scholars if they want opinions on the constitutionality of their push to sidestep the constitution.

[Coligny]

Don't they have an established constitutionnal group checking the laws before they are allowed to go into effect ?
I think even the merkinz have that... And god knows that their constitution is just a piece of paper(tm)...


From the same wabsite:

Gov't urged to encourage elderly to move out of Tokyo region

Stay classy japan...
http://mainichi.jp/english/english/news ... 9000c.html

[Salty]

Don't they have an established constitutionnal group checking the laws before they are allowed to go into effect ?
I think even the merkinz have that... And god knows that their constitution is just a piece of paper(tm)...

I think that group gets appointed by the Prime Minister...

[Salty]

Cornered…

Gov't to give up on plan to put security bills to lower house vote by end of current session

The decision was made because the opposition camp has been fiercely disputing the legislation after all three constitutional scholars called to speak before a meeting of the lower house Commission on the Constitution, including a scholar recommended by the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), said the bills violate the pacifist Constitution.

[matsuki]

Don't they have an established constitutionnal group checking the laws before they are allowed to go into effect ?
I think even the merkinz have that... And god knows that their constitution is just a piece of paper(tm)...

I think that group gets appointed by the Prime Minister...

LDP Diet affairs chief Tsutomu Sato warned Funada upon receiving a report on the session, saying, "You should pay attention to the selection of people (to be invited to the panel), the subjects for discussion and the schedules, out of consideration for their impact on the lower house committee on peace and security legislation."
According to informed sources, the LDP had initially requested Kyoto University professor emeritus Koji Sato to attend the panel as he has connections with the ruling party through judicial system reform. However, due to a scheduling conflict, the party decided to pick Waseda University professor Hasebe to speak instead.

So basically make sure you choose "experts" that agree with us, especially ones that have connections with us. Like many j-business meetings, this shit is just a show where people go through the motions that are expected of them. Without a directly elected prime minister and this type of mess, can Japan really be called a democracy?

From the same wabsite:

Gov't urged to encourage elderly to move out of Tokyo region

Stay classy japan...
http://mainichi.jp/english/english/news ... 9000c.html

I see this as more of a case of "If you build it they'll come....or be carted off there by their children who don't want to take care of them." I know at least 5 Tokyo families who have pawned their elderly off on senior homes in the country....so it's already happening to some extent. That being said, simply telling old people in Tokyo to GTFO is pretty absurd.

[Salty]

Lol - may I presume that the post title - Router recommendation, is a reference to routing the elderly out of Tokyo? But yea, it is rather a nasty state of affairs when the city in which people lived, worked, and paid their taxes in - wants to dispose of them. Echo of Aso`s suggestion that old people should die off, instead of burdening the health care system.

[Coligny]

Lol - may I presume that the post title - Router recommendation, is a reference to routing the elderly out of Tokyo? But yea, it is rather a nasty state of affairs when the city in which people lived, worked, and paid their taxes in - wants to dispose of them. Echo of Aso`s suggestion that old people should die off, instead of burdening the health care system.

Sorry, iCab Ios bugs...

[Salty]

Cornered…

Gov't to give up on plan to put security bills to lower house vote by end of current session

The decision was made because the opposition camp has been fiercely disputing the legislation after all three constitutional scholars called to speak before a meeting of the lower house Commission on the Constitution, including a scholar recommended by the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), said the bills violate the pacifist Constitution.

Hate to quote myself - and I see that I didn`t provide the link for that quote - but I heard on the TV news that the LDP will instead extend the diet session so that they can ram thru their unconstitutional law.... Haven`t seen this in print yet....

[wuchan]

Cornered…

Gov't to give up on plan to put security bills to lower house vote by end of current session

The decision was made because the opposition camp has been fiercely disputing the legislation after all three constitutional scholars called to speak before a meeting of the lower house Commission on the Constitution, including a scholar recommended by the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), said the bills violate the pacifist Constitution.

Hate to quote myself - and I see that I didn`t provide the link for that quote - but I heard on the TV news that the LDP will instead extend the diet session so that they can ram thru their unconstitutional law.... Haven`t seen this in print yet....

the courts basically said the constitution doesn't really matter when it comes to the diet way back in 1959. There was a case questioning the ongoing occupation (US bases) where the court said

"the case is of a highly political nature; therefore, constitutional judgment on the case by the judicial court is not appropriate"

Without the court there is nothing standing in the way of the diet except for themselves.

[kurogane]

To back up what Wuchan just said, I am pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that Japan is either formally or practically a constitutionally moderated parliamentary supremacy, like Canada and the UK rather than say, the US or Germany. In which case, the Diet can gorge to its heart content and then do end runs around an already rather timid or marginal supreme court.

[matsuki]

To back up what Wuchan just said, I am pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that Japan is either formally or practically a constitutionally moderated parliamentary supremacy, like Canada and the UK rather than say, the US or Germany. In which case, the Diet can gorge to its heart content and then do end runs around an already rather timid or marginal supreme court.

I just wanted to say "Japaneeeeeeze sutairu!" again

[Takechanpoo]

kimchese schizophrenia exploded as usual.
kimchee peninsula does NOT exist in the visual field of j-defence policy this time.
just learn how to correctly connect cause with effect before worrying about it

[wuchan]

kimchese schizophrenia exploded as usual.
kimchee peninsula does NOT exist in the visual field of j-defence policy this time.
just learn how to correctly connect cause with effect before worrying about it

The issue is the court refuses to enforce constitutional law when the policy makers break it.

[matsuki]

Or maybe he means the idiots in power here are really Koreans?

[kurogane]

Yeah, well put, WuWoo. The way it works in Canukistan is that the Supreme Court often rather aggressively slaps down gov't legislation which is then rewritten and rammed through again, occasionally to be slapped down again. In Japan they ruled that the ban on the birth control pill wasn't unconstitutional because its availability might adversely affect the national birth rate

PS I am amazed anybody has the patience to care what banana boy means anymore. This ultra pantomime Yellow Face Chop Chop speak is getting almost racist.

[Coligny]

PS I am amazed anybody has the patience to care what banana boy means anymore. This ultra pantomime Yellow Face Chop Chop speak is getting almost racist.

Welcome
To
The
Club

[Samurai_Jerk]

PS I am amazed anybody has the patience to care what banana boy means anymore. This ultra pantomime Yellow Face Chop Chop speak is getting almost racist.

Welcome
To
The
Club

Oh, the irony.

[Coligny]

PS I am amazed anybody has the patience to care what banana boy means anymore. This ultra pantomime Yellow Face Chop Chop speak is getting almost racist.

Welcome
To
The
Club

Oh, the irony.

come on... I'm missunderst00d because, like blue cheeze, I'm an acquired taste...

[Samurai_Jerk]

PS I am amazed anybody has the patience to care what banana boy means anymore. This ultra pantomime Yellow Face Chop Chop speak is getting almost racist.

Welcome
To
The
Club

Oh, the irony.

come on... I'm missunderst00d because, like blue cheeze, I'm an acquired taste...

People who have to acquire a taste for blue cheese aren't allowed to have opinions about food.

[Takechanpoo]

whos a racist? me? i think not.

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this monkey seems to be called dutchman in indonesia

btw actually there is no tradition of civilian control in japan since ancient time.

[Takechanpoo]

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"Lets be killed rather than kill someone!!! "

[Coligny]

Come on, it's just a nukular disaster. You only need to smile to be safe...

[Salty]

Given the recent Abe administration push to pass laws that will allow the LDP & Komeito politicians to take Japan to war once again… Today I overheard a husband/wife conversation that went something like this:

Wife: Those bills are unconstitutional.
Husband: We don`t need a constitution.

So I wonder if this is a commonly held belief - that Japan doesn`t need a constitution at all.

[matsuki]

I wonder how many Japanese even know what the constitution entails...

[Samurai_Jerk]

Given the recent Abe administration push to pass laws that will allow the LDP & Komeito politicians to take Japan to war once again… Today I overheard a husband/wife conversation that went something like this:

Wife: Those bills are unconstitutional.
Husband: We don`t need a constitution.

So I wonder if this is a commonly held belief - that Japan doesn`t need a constitution at all.

Can't say I've never heard anyone say that and my friends and coworkers talk about this kind of stuff all the time.

[Coligny]

Let's just remember this...

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Rules are hard... Especially when they get in the way...

[Russell]

I have kind of mixed feelings about this.

On the one hand, Japan is protected by the US, so it is not too much to ask that the Japanese army is able to protect parts of the US army in certain conflict situations.

On the other hand, we (in Europe) have had this obligation to join the US in invading Afghanistan and Iraq because of the NATO. That was not a pleasure, because both were unnecessary wars, started by a deeply controversial Bush/Cheney administration.

Since then, the US has got a more sensible president, but one does not want to think what could happen when Trump would be elected.

All the talk about peace and the constitution is bullshit. I am actually happy that they do not need to change the constitution for this, because with that some other parts of it may also be a target for change.

[kurogane]

So I wonder if this is a commonly held belief - that Japan doesn`t need a constitution at all.

As far as I can remember it tends to be a mildly grumpy middle aged or older man thing that goes something like this: it is an imposed foreign institution that rode roughshod over numerous traditional Japanese methods of govenrment and jurisprudence and is to be resented as such. Some ballsy politely Uyoku younger women will also trot this out after roundly slagging white men, but I suspect my default status as an Uncle Tomo encourages their disclosure.
Keep in mind these are the very sorts that worship the Holy Grail of Common Sense without realising that is nothing more than the congealed ignorance of the oppressors.

I am quite a bit happier that they pulled a fasty legislative end run rather than pursue a full constitutional amendment. I actually never saw how their previous obligations didn't involve helping those defending them to defend them. Just seems like comon sense to me

[Taro Toporific]

Japan moves toward sending soldiers to fight abroad for first time since WWII
LA Times | 2015-July-16
...The public broadcaster, NHK, did not air the committee deliberations or report extensively on the protests. The broadcaster was so swamped with complaints that it had failed to serve the public interest that the phone lines were temporarily down...more...

[Samurai_Jerk]

So I wonder if this is a commonly held belief - that Japan doesn`t need a constitution at all.

As far as I can remember it tends to be a mildly grumpy middle aged or older man thing that goes something like this: it is an imposed foreign institution that rode roughshod over numerous traditional Japanese methods of govenrment and jurisprudence and is to be resented as such.

I don't know if that's the same thing that Salty is talking about. I've certainly heard people complain about the fact that their constitution was written by Americans which regardless of whether or not it's a good constitution I can understand. The way I read what Salty overheard was the guy didn't think Japan needed a constitution period.