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[kurohinge1]

Everyone feels their opinion is best -- that is why they hold that opinion. I am no exception to that rule and neither are you . . .

I do not presume that my opinions are best. And the reasons I hold them are many and varied.

But my point was actually about the inconsistency in your arguments, which seems to stem from a deep-seated anger at a particular religion, if not religion in general. For example, you believe "strongly in individual freedom" and that "people should be able to believe in what they want" but then dictate how "people who follow religions" should act.

Let go of the anger, FGL. Step away from the religion, and keep both hands where I can see them . . .

[GomiGirl]

I've enjoyed the debate. It's interesting to see how people feel about topics like this. FG's been a bit boring recently anyway.

I find it interesting that the men here have such passionate views on this subject on both sides...

I am just sitting back and absorbing it without putting my two cents in. Maybe later or if somebody asks nicely what the uterinely challenged in this community think...

[MrUltimateGaijin]

Not only is it wrong (murder), it damages women physically and scars them psychologically.
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only because there are too many people who feel the way you do

[sillygirl]

[quote="GomiGirl"]I find it interesting that the men here have such passionate views on this subject on both sides...

I am just sitting back and absorbing it without putting my two cents in. Maybe later or if somebody asks nicely what the uterinely challenged in this community think... ]

Ah, GG.

You beat me to it.

Ditto.....

[AssKissinger]

[quote="GomiGirl"]I find it interesting that the men here have such passionate views on this subject on both sides...

I am just sitting back and absorbing it without putting my two cents in. Maybe later or if somebody asks nicely what the uterinely challenged in this community think... ]

You don't have a uterus?

[GomiGirl]

You don't have a uterus?

Of course I do (well last time I looked anyway) - what I meant was that it is a challenge in this world when you have one...

[Mike Oxlong]

Of course I do (well last time I looked anyway) - what I meant was that it is a challenge in this world when you have one...

IMO living with testosterone is a challenge! When your "son" is constantly trying to overrule your brain...as Kramer once said

Always listen to the little man!

[FG Lurker]

I do not presume that my opinions are best. And the reasons I hold them are many and varied.

To me this is illogical. If your opinion was not the best opinion (from your perspective) why would you hold that opinion? If I feel my opinion is no longer the best opinion (from my perspective) I am always willing to change my opinion. Generally this happens when new information is presented that I was not aware of and is stronger than the basis I used to form my previous opinion.

But my point was actually about the inconsistency in your arguments, which seems to stem from a deep-seated anger at a particular religion, if not religion in general.

No anger about religion, although I do see many religions as been deeply hypocritical.

For example, you believe "strongly in individual freedom" and that "people should be able to believe in what they want" but then dictate how "people who follow religions" should act.

Where did I say that I wanted to dicate how people who follow religions should act? I said everyone should live within the law and that public services (gov't, education, etc) should be kept separate from religon. Combining religion and government is generally not a good thing -- plenty of examples throughout history (recent and past) have shown this clearly. Actually, I can't think of a single example where religion and government have mixed well.

[Greji]

".....the uterinely challenged....."

Ah, GG. You beat me to it. Ditto.....

Ah, is that an open challenge?

[sillygirl]

Ah, is that an open challenge?

Na, GBoothe. I'm not as flexible as Gomigirl!

Of course I do (well last time I looked anyway) -...

[kurohinge1]

. . .If your opinion was not the best opinion (from your perspective) why would you hold that opinion? If I feel my opinion is no longer the best opinion (from my perspective) I am always willing to change my opinion. Generally this happens when new information is presented that I was not aware of and is stronger than the basis I used to form my previous opinion.

Thank you! You have now stated one reason yourself why you should not presume that your opinions are always best - because you may not be aware of all the facts / information.

. . . Where did I . . . dicate how people who follow religions should act? . . .

I also think people who follow religions closely should step back and study the history of their religion . . .

[GomiGirl]

IMO living with testosterone is a challenge! When your "son" is constantly trying to overrule your brain...as Kramer once said

Oh it is not the challenge from the uterus itself per se - I think being a chick is great.. it is the stuff that happens outside - eg politics - that can make it a bit tough.

@ Silly Girl - I have tricks to make even you jealous my friend.

[sillygirl]

@ Silly Girl - I have tricks to make even you jealous my friend.

[Adhesive]

[Greji]

[American Oyaji]

While my manner of expressing my opinion was extremely abrasive, it was still the truth.

One makes a conscious decision to roll the dice and run the risk of pregnancy and/or disease when they decide to have sex outside the boundaries of wedlock.

If one is willing to take the risks, then one should have in mind a "what if" plan of action.
I personally find the choice to have an abortion an extremely selfish, callous and immoral act no matter what reason a woman may use to justify it.

Now please don't think I'm dumping on women. If a man is willing to lay with a woman, he should be willing to stand WITH her and I condemn any male that walks away from a woman he has impregnated as a coward and a dog.


AK: When I found my girlfriend was pregnant, I argued with her mother and FOUGHT to marry her to prevent her from having an abortion and married her. Where is the hypocrisy in that?

And whover thinks I "abandoned" my boys, you can kiss my ass and die.

To whos.your.daddy AKA NeoNecroNinny: You aint foolin nobody with your pseudonym. So you can go back to wherever you've been hiding your ugly mug.

Again, I question the veracity of the original poster. Why name yourself "help_me"?

[American Oyaji]

AO is from Ohio by way of Aomori. He's used to being piled on!

*Ahem*

I am from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania thank you very much (GO STEELERS!).

I live in Ohio temporarily.

[AssKissinger]

AK: When I found my girlfriend was pregnant, I argued with her mother and FOUGHT to marry her to prevent her from having an abortion and married her. Where is the hypocrisy in that?

The hyprocrisy is that you're preaching about taking responsibility for your own actions but you're letting years pass by in Ohio while your children are growing up fatherless in Aomori. You stepped up for the fetus but not the child.

And whover thinks I "abandoned" my boys, you can kiss my ass and die.

You're in one part of the world and they're in another.

[FG Lurker]

:D Thank you! You have now stated one reason yourself why you should not presume that your opinions are always best - because you may not be aware of all the facts / information.

I make (sometimes major) decisions each and every day because I believe in my opinions. I'm sorry if you are wishy-washy and not willing to stand for what you believe. (I'm serious too -- a person who does not believe their opinions to be the best (as I said above, from that persons perspective) is wishy washy at best.)

. . . Where did I . . . dicate how people who follow religions should act? . . .

I also think people who follow religions closely should step back and study the history of their religion . . .

I think you misunderstand (intentionally or not) the meaning of the word dictate. Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary:

2 a : to issue as an order b : to impose, pronounce, or specify authoritatively

Nowhere did I say that people must do it or that they should be forced to do it. I just feel that it would be a smart thing to do if one is going to commit to follow a certain set of beliefs decided (one could even say dictated) by an organization. Oddly most religions don't feel the same way -- I can't really imagine why that might be.....

[kurohinge1]

I make (sometimes major) decisions each and every day because I believe in my opinions. I'm sorry if you are wishy-washy and not willing to stand for what you believe . . .

FGL, I'm noticing a pattern - I point out your inconsistency, you pretend you said something else or that I said something else, or you introduce something completely new.

You yourself stated one reason in support of my statement that you should not presume that your opinions are always best - because you may not be aware of all the facts / information. You admitted that when you realise your error, you change your opinion to the new (better) one but, by analogy, it is possible that an even better one still exists. You seem to agree with me but purport to disagree at the same time.

Suddenly then there's your illogical leap to a statement that I'm now "wishy-washy" and not willing to stand for what I believe. I don't know where you plucked that from but it fits the debating technique above. The fact that I'm not arrogant enough to presume that my opinion is the best one does not mean that I'm not willing to stand for what I believe.

I think I can see what you're trying to say, but (so far) you're not saying it. You've assumed too much from my statements and confused the objective and subjective.

BTW, my use of "dictate" in the context of pointing out one of your earlier inconsistencies fits easily within the definition offered by the dictionary you linked. If you can't see that, then nothing I say will make you see it.

Further, your generalised attacks on all religion need specific examples if they are to be given any consideration.

Sorry to the others (no doubt bored with this debate long ago) but while I have the time & energy (and you may be pleased to know that both are fast waning), I'm reluctant to let inconsistencies like these simply sit there unchallenged.

[Greji]

*Ahem*

I am from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania thank you very much (GO STEELERS!).

I live in Ohio temporarily.

Hehehe. Steelers you say? What part of Chicago are they located in?

[FG Lurker]

FGL, I'm noticing a pattern - I point out your inconsistency, you pretend you said something else or that I said something else, or you introduce something completely new.

Funny, because that is the same pattern I have been noticing from you.

Sorry to the others (no doubt bored with this debate long ago) but while I have the time & energy (and you may be pleased to know that both are fast waning), I'm reluctant to let inconsistencies like these simply sit there unchallenged.

Yes, same here as well.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.

If you can find some time to study religious history I think you will find it very interesting.

[American Oyaji]

If you can find some time to study religious history I think you will find it very interesting.

I've found that the old school popes were pimps.

[kurohinge1]

Funny, because that is the same pattern I have been noticing from you . . .

They say "mimicry is the best form of flattery" but you'll notice that my post also had an example to back up the statement.

Similarly, an example would help narrow the area of "religious history" you're talking about.

I find history including religious history fascinating, but its study is really lifelong. I hope you haven't stopped learning, say, for fear of finding 'further information' that may 'change your opinion'.

[F_O_R_E_X]

That my friend BB was a deliberate troll method.
Just because some girl puts a bit of a flamable post does not mean it was a troll.
Even if the post was genuine. I am sure the person doesnt feel comfortable posting here again.

Any reply to a troll even to say you are not going to reply means you fell for the bait. That is the only objective of a real troll.

Who's your Daddy: I cannot but agree with your technical / fundamental
analysis

[t3hWIT]

*Ahem*

I am from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania thank you very much (GO STEELERS!).

I live in Ohio temporarily.

Completely Off Topic, but Pittsburg is only a few hours from here. One of my friends lives just outside it.

[bimfire]

if you like you can contact our english speaking doctor - he is very non judgemental

just find him
http://www.healthhokkaido.com/files/contact_us.cfm

His name is Dr T. Oshimi

He has great English too

good luck