Overcomplicate things much? Vent here!

[matsuki]

I know I'm preaching to the choir here but I'm getting really annoyed at how overcomplicated Japanese seem to make some things. What happened to their admiration of simplicity in these matters? Their insane tactics during WWII are a good example of overcomplicated shit that looks great when it works but is an embarrassing "psyched yourself out" move when it doesn't as planned.

What's bothering me now is my hockey team's practice drills are getting so over complicated that 30% of the ice time has become listening to explanations of these weird drills that go on and on. Of course by the time the explanation is over, nobody remembers what to do so it takes another 20% of the time reexplaining them by example when nobody does it right. None of the over complicated shit in them does any better than practicing the specific points individually or hell, even starting with a basic drill and then adding onto it from there. Instead, it's waste half of the ice-time explaining clusterfuck drills. (which could also be easily explained BEFORE practice in the locker room....yeah, that's what those whiteboards and markers are for.) While I would love to just say it's this captain's style, we've gone through 3 captains (I dunno how they decide who wears the C yet but it sure resembles J-gov) that are all just different flavors of the same stuff.

/vent

So yeah, this is the thread were you vent on the "We Japanese" over-complicating your life [s]for better or[/s] for worse.

[IparryU]

i am trying to get my kids to day care so we go down stairs to put on our shoes and head out the door. my MIL comes over and helps my wife put on my older son's socks... this is at the bottom of the stairwell and by the front door... no fucking space.

I need to get my younger boy ready but he his behind MIL, his mom, and brother on the 4th step and I cant reach him.

The MIL and wify are struggling to put on socks at the same time, so I said move the hell out the way or one of you do the little boys socks... they said hold on... took another 4 minutes to put on the shoes, so I asked them why 2 people have to do one kid's socks and shoes when the little one is waiting still... they said it is quicker that way.. and I said that they took more than 5 minutes to put on a kids socks and shoes...

MIL says her eyes are bad and i ask her if she has probelms putting on her socks... no answer.

i ask my wife why she didn't do the little boy's socks... as his daycare is much further than the older boys day care and we are already late... no answer.

My wife says that i dont have to be mean and i tell her that she bitches at me when I am 2 minutes late taking the boy to daycare, but because of her and her mom, we would be 10 minutes late...

MIL says she will think about that next time the boys come down... which is the same stupid response you hear salarymen, j-politics, etc. say when stupid shit happens and they didn't think before they did something...

TIJ

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Fucking whinging Philistine barbarians....
Why don't you just disinfect your hands, gargle, take, put on your surgical mask and wipe your hands on the towel for wiping body parts; use the towel for wiping dishes to dry your coffee cup, but the cloth for cleaning the floor to wipe up what you've spilled, but make sure it's not the same cloth you used to wipe the same substance from the sink; peel the sticker off your sandwich wrapper to put it in one trash can, dispose of the wrapper itself in another, and the paper bag it was packed into in yet another; then, put the cap from your PET bottle in the appropriate disposal area before removing the label and washing the bottle before disposing it, of course in the apropriate disposal area and on the correct day in the proper colored bag; Oh, don't forget to disinfect your hands again once you've done all this because you have, after all, been handling rubbish. And you'll probably need to wash your hands again after that, too, but don't forget to wipe them -- using the towel for wiping body parts, and not the towel to wash dishes.
So, for fuck's sake, how much more simple do you want things to get, you ungrateful fuckers? Sheesh....if you can't follow local customs, you should go back to your own country.

[IparryU]

[quote="Screwed-down Hairdo"]Fucking whinging Philistine barbarians....
Why don't you just disinfect your hands, gargle, take, put on your surgical mask and wipe your hands on the towel for wiping body parts]

well.. what about them old bastards that get mad at you on the street when you put a can in the pet garbage and visa versa? They go in the same fucking bag, so why does it even matter?

or when you take off your shoes and put the toe facing the wall rather than the hell... I dont wanna have to flip my fuckin shoes around then put them on when it is quick and simple to just take them off and put them on in the same place...

So, for fuck's sake, how much more simple do you want things to get, you ungrateful fuckers? Sheesh....if you can't follow local customs, you should go back to your own country.

[matsuki]

[quote="Screwed-down Hairdo"], put the cap from your PET bottle in the appropriate disposal area before removing the label and washing the bottle before disposing it, of course in the apropriate disposal area and on the correct day in the proper colored bag]

I never understood the garbage pickup, everyday, different items, etc. (even worse in Nishi-Tokyo as we have to buy overpriced specific garbage bags or they won't be picked up) Is it a ploy to force sabisuzangyo on the trash collectors? WTF? Then they won't let you put out the trash the night before...I've heard all kinds of excuses but the most common is the fear of crows/animals tearing up all the trashbags. "you don't have problems like this in gaikoku!" hahaha Are trash bins with lids against everything "We Japanese" stand for?

As far as washing cans, jars, misc. trash to sterility before it gets burned, I can only think of it as a way the J-gov keeps housewives busy and in the kitchen. Next think you know we'll have to sterilize our turds before each flush.

[GomiGirl]

I wash cans before I put them in the bin as it stops them from stinking up the apartment before I have a chance to take them out. I don't scrub them but I do give them a good rinse out.

[matsuki]

I wash cans before I put them in the bin as it stops them from stinking up the apartment before I have a chance to take them out. I don't scrub them but I do give them a good rinse out.

That's reasonable and the same as I do, quick rinse then toss em....but then I go to a Japanese friend's place and see all these pristine cans, bottles, wrappers, packing, etc., newspaper and cardboard cut and wrapped up uniformly, etc. These people have exciting lives.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Guys, I wrote with the intention of having my tongue planted firmly in cheek...
Sorry, I'll write slower next time...

[Greji]

I wash cans before I put them in the bin as it stops them from stinking up the apartment before I have a chance to take them out. I don't scrub them but I do give them a good rinse out.

And I thank you for that. As your place is one of the stops on my stalking list, it is refreshing to find clean trash while I'm sorting threw the garbage looking for wanking material......

[Coligny]

The pictogram explaining how to dispose of soiled baby diapers:


Goes like dis'
Remove diaper from baby
Flush turd in the loo
Separate coton put in burnable trash
Remaining plastic goes in the recyclable plastic trash.

So for those not in the know... It goes more like:

Open all windows
Put on NBC gear with air bottles.
Put baby on changing table on top of disposable towels
Pray gods from every major religion
Open diaper
Have the proof the gods don't exist (or they are a real bunch of assholes)
put dripping diapper on an airtight bag/container.
depending on the scale of the damage clean baby with cleaning milk or pressure washer (mominlaw asked why I didn't use wet towels... showed her the difference between cleaning and pretending to clean)
wait half a minute for baby to have a wee... just because they are sort of assholes too...
Put back fresh diaper, seal with airplane or space shuttle grade ducttape if it's the 'night' diaper.
Check oxygen level on the NBC suit, if still ok take time to vaporize some febreeze in the room before removing it...

The guys who draw the instruction pictogram clearly never even saw a movie with a baby in it...

Now on the I'M'A GUNNA KILLZ A SUMEONE:
When we arrived in the clinic, with 15 years of junk inside to clean, basically, NO ROOM was usable yet and there was quite a stock of damaged -unused- diapers. The plastic part was partially collapsing to dust and the coton part was dusty, maybe 90-120 were to be discarded (or in baby unit, around 1 week of ammo). I ask me b... to put them in a trash bag and put them away with the burnable... I come back 30 minutes later, she was in front of dads TV watching the usual CBC turdfest, slowly separating the plastic from the coton... with most of the plastic turned to white dust on the floor. And she started her "we japanese... yadda yadda... recycle... yadda..." bullshit...

I suddenly heard wagner (it's the little voices in ma head, they got themselves a boombox system, but the doc say it's ok for now, not dangerous)... and shouted "run charly... run..." while picking the junk and throwing it down the parking...

We had nowhere to sleep clean, expecting 2 trucks of stuff (one medium delivery truck size and one chinese 6) with nowhere to unload them and she was fucking with obsolete disposal protocol that except for that day she never bothered to follow or understand again. I've even given up on putting separate trashbins on her bedroom and office since you have to sort everything when you empty them...

[Dreamy_Peach]

I get home from work and the telly is on with the news. As the Euro implodes, governments' collapse across the middle east, a company's stock drops 50%, NHK will spend 25 minutes talking about a cat falling out of a tree in Chiba. They'll then spend 10 minutes talking about some odd local festival, then run through important news in 2 minutes.

I'll get up in the morning and there will be some crap on the TV as they spend 45 minutes talking about a dog getting lost in Saitama, meanwhile a nuclear reactor will be spinning out of control, or the world will be on the verge on WWIII.

The focus on crap and the endless discussion of said crap to the detriment of far more important things often irritates me slightly. Wood ... trees ... there's always trees.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Yes, but you must understand that the triple meltdown occurred just in time for the cherry blossoms to bloom.
Of course, that wasn't revealed until everybody was eating their shaved ice to cool down in the midsummer heat, where short-sleeves and ditching neckties were highly recommended as ways to conserve electricity use.
And, now that the first snow of the season has hit Mount Fuji, who cares about something so far away, and radiation doesn't exactly change with the seasons, does it?

[2triky]

The pictogram explaining how to dispose of soiled baby diapers:

The Chinese system is best. Kid takes a shit on the sidewalk. End of story.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

The Chinese system is best. Kid takes a shit on the sidewalk. End of story.

No, no, no! The story ends when the kid gets run over by a truck (or two) and everyone walks by and pretends not to notice until it dies.

[2triky]

No, no, no! The story ends when the kid gets run over by a truck (or two) and everyone walks by and pretends not to notice until it dies.

Sorry SDH, let's not get melodramatic. It's just not so...

The fact is the kids take a shit like they are too legit to quit.

[Mock Cockpit]

I guess this qualifies as needless complications. I bought a new laptop on-line last night and one of the payment options was monthly payments through Orico, with the first seven payments interest free. OK, reasonable deal I thought so I completed the application.

Now bear in my mind I have an Orico Gold Mastercard plus an existing loan with them for the solar panels but they still rang up to badger me today. They asked about my job, I explained, they said OK, then they asked "you're a foreigner, right? We'll need to see your gaijin card". I said on the application I filled in last night I put down my driver's license details and you can't get a driver's license without having a gaijin card but that went down like a brick and tile glider so I said I'd ring back Monday and speak to Ms Suzuki's boss. I went through this same bullshit with the loan for the panels, guess what Orico you're not getting to see my gaijin card you fuckwits.

[canman]

Rakuten!!!! The bastards!!! I decided to apply for a Rakuten Gold card, as my son told me that with the gold card you get a card two year Prioroty pass card with it, which can be used at airport lounges in many countries. Plus the points can be used for shopping at Rakuten, which could be useful. What a mistake.
The application was pretty easy and straightforward, but after getting the card and setting everything up was a pain in the ass. It was all done online, and in Japanese, which is fair, but even my wife had trouble with their cryptic Japanese. So I get the card, and the junk mail starts, at least 7-10 everyday.
Made a few purchases, textbooks etc. and waited for my bill. They don't send paper bills, all done by email. Nothing comes, so finally go online, and they inform me that the email address I provided doesn't work, even though I am getting tons of junk advertising from them. Have to re-enter email and then, finally I get my bill. But it is only Y12500, even though I have purchased over Y200 000 worth of stuff. Then I notice that I am on a monthly payment system, which I hate, and I always pay off my credit cards at the end of the month. Now maybe I made a mistake when setting it up, but I suspect they might put everybody there as a way to increase profits. Then I try to change the settings so it is pay at once, and it is so damn hard to find, and they want me to pay the Y20 000 interest that I would have paid if I used the revolving credit. Finally with my wife called them and we were able to get it straightened out, but what a pain in the ass.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

In all fairness, Japan has tremendous tax forms! Super easy to complete (especially if you're like me and don't make any money to begin with), but also with handy advisors on hand at tax time to make sure you don't pay any more taxes than you absolutely have to.

[matsuki]

We'll need to see your gaijin card". I said on the application I filled in last night I put down my driver's license details and you can't get a driver's license without having a gaijin card but that went down like a brick and tile glider so I said I'd ring back Monday and speak to Ms Suzuki's boss. I went through this same bullshit with the loan for the panels, guess what Orico you're not getting to see my gaijin card you fuckwits.

Went through the same when applying for their card at Costco. None of their printed materials say anything about needing your gaijin card yet when you speak with any of them, their superiors have said it's mandatory. They eventually said that applying online wouldn't require it....used my DL instead. (But of course I got denied there as well)

and the junk mail starts

LOL, and I suppose that's in addition to the 10~20 pieces of junk mail you already get. Not very "ECO" when you consider how much paper this cuntry wastes....

[Coligny]

Rakuten!!!! The bastards!!! I decided to apply for a Rakuten Gold card, as my son told me that with the gold card you get a card two year Prioroty pass card with it, which can be used at airport lounges in many countries. Plus the points can be used for shopping at Rakuten, which could be useful. What a mistake.
The application was pretty easy and straightforward, but after getting the card and setting everything up was a pain in the ass. It was all done online, and in Japanese, which is fair, but even my wife had trouble with their cryptic Japanese. So I get the card, and the junk mail starts, at least 7-10 everyday.
Made a few purchases, textbooks etc. and waited for my bill. They don't send paper bills, all done by email. Nothing comes, so finally go online, and they inform me that the email address I provided doesn't work, even though I am getting tons of junk advertising from them. Have to re-enter email and then, finally I get my bill. But it is only Y12500, even though I have purchased over Y200 000 worth of stuff. Then I notice that I am on a monthly payment system, which I hate, and I always pay off my credit cards at the end of the month. Now maybe I made a mistake when setting it up, but I suspect they might put everybody there as a way to increase profits. Then I try to change the settings so it is pay at once, and it is so damn hard to find, and they want me to pay the Y20 000 interest that I would have paid if I used the revolving credit. Finally with my wife called them and we were able to get it straightened out, but what a pain in the ass.

Feel yer pain, I needed me a debit card for my japanese secret spendingz accountz... Only Rakuten seemed to have dis...

Still don't have the card (procrastination is taking over banking procedure)... BUT DAMN I GOT ME SOME ENDLESS SPAMZ... it's borderline scandalous...

[gaijinpunch]

The story ends when the kid gets run over by a truck (or two) and everyone walks by and pretends not to notice until it dies.

Hey, at least they didn't play the "cultural differences" card.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Feel yer pain, I needed me a debit card for my japanese secret spendingz accountz... Only Rakuten seemed to have dis...

Still don't have the card (procrastination is taking over banking procedure)... BUT DAMN I GOT ME SOME ENDLESS SPAMZ... it's borderline scandalous...

Yeah, I've definitely found that when I sign up for anything online in Japan it leads to endless spam. Drives me fucking nuts.