Is 'Gaijin' going the way of 'Negro'?

[Charles]

It's our duty to remined japanese that THEY are the barbarian gaijin when they arent at home. Then they know what it feels like to be called that. That they are not part of my society and never will be. I hate those japs...

Let me guess, you're an Ozzie?

There is an interesting TV commercial running on public TV in the US. It features a nisei who describes his growing up as a little boy in the internment camps, and afterwards living in the postwar US, being constantly harassed as a "Jap" by racist assholes like you. Then he described how he watched the documentary on the Civil War, and learned how different ethnic groups composing the US population fought in the savage war, and eventually learned how to live together and forge a newer, stronger nation. And then he described how that as he was watching the Civil War documentary, he had an epiphany. He never thought of himself as an American before, but he realized it was his struggle to make a life for himself in this land, just as those Civil War soldiers struggled at the cost of their lives to live in this land, and thus he really was an American, rather than Japanese.

Yes, it is our struggle to live and contribute to society, whether it be the USA, Australia, Japan, or wherever, that makes us a native of that land. Many of the FG are just as much Japanese as any nihonjin, regardless of their naturalization status. Racist assholes like you can never be natives even within their own country, they destroy the nation from within.

Now it's the weekend, why aren't you out knifing Abos like all good Ozzies?

[maraboutslim]

Don't you love it when someone preaches all peace, love and understanding and how we should all just "get along" BUT then can't resist throwing in a couple of ridiculous insults himself and lets their true colors (got a thing against australians, huh?) peak out from under their desmond tutu coat and collar.

and btw...

Many of the FG are just as much Japanese as any nihonjin, regardless of their naturalization status

You've got to be kidding me. If you came to Japan as an adult, it's too late for you. You'll never get caught up. Furthermore, since you are not expected to be and not seen to be a member of the group, you have your whole life missed out on the essence of being "Japanese" (belonging) and are therefore not only "as much Japanese" as any nihonjin, you are actually 0% Japanese since you have had 0% experience at the most defining characteristic of being a Japanese (fitting in to the group).

[Charles]

Don't tar me with the same brush I'm tarring racists with. You have to speak their language. Sorry if it offends your delicate sensibilities.

And don't give me crap about blood lines. Being a member of a society means you have a stake in the game. An American who has a stake in Japan is more a nihonjin than a blood-Japanese expat who lives in the US and never wants to return (like one of my friends here).

[maraboutslim]

Don't tar me with the same brush I'm tarring racists with. You have to speak their language. Sorry if it offends your delicate sensibilities.

Could you please try to learn how to speak to people in a way that doesn't make them want to slap you upside the head. Why do you have to have an insult or snide comment in every paragraph? Geez.

And don't give me crap about blood lines.

I didn't say a thing about bloodlines. I spoke very clearly about experience. The distinction I was making between an actual Japanese and just a person who now lives in Japan was one about the experiences one had growing up and the expectations placed on one now as an adult. Double back and read what I wrote and we'll pick it up from there. If what I wrote is unclear, ask and I'll try to clarify it.

Being a member of a society means you have a stake in the game. An American who has a stake in Japan is more a nihonjin than a blood-Japanese expat who lives in the US and never wants to return (like one of my friends here).

Perhaps. But you may have noticed that the Japanese don't consider expats to be real "Japanese" anymore either. Witness the classification and treatment of "returnees", be they gone for decades through no fault of their own (think north korea), or gone for a few years in elementary school 'cause of their dad's job. You see, while blood may be important, it is one's membership and participation in the group that makes one "Japanese". Once put out of the group, or once never a part of it in the first place (in the gaijin's case), to put it in your terms, you don't really have a stake in the society. Well, you may still have expectations on society, but they have no expectations of you, and looking at it from that angle is the appropriate way in Japan. To be Japanese is to live up to expectations placed upon each individual for the sake of the group. Nothing is expected of a gaijin.

And that's the beauty of it!

[Charles]

Could you please try to learn how to speak to people in a way that doesn't make them want to slap you upside the head. Why do you have to have an insult or snide comment in every paragraph? Geez.

You're slapping at the wrong head. I'm not the one who slings around racial epithets like "jap" and "nippo" and I certainly wasn't the one who declared "I hate japs."

I didn't say a thing about bloodlines. I spoke very clearly about experience. The distinction I was making between an actual Japanese and just a person who now lives in Japan was one about the experiences one had growing up and the expectations placed on one now as an adult. Double back and read what I wrote and we'll pick it up from there. If what I wrote is unclear, ask and I'll try to clarify it.

Don't be disingenuous. If you take my expat Japanese friend, and a naturalized Japanese citizen from America, and you show them to a random selection of nihonjin, you'll get immediate and clear answers as to who is gaijin.
However, if you merely describe their experiences like this:
1. Graduated from a US university, taught college for 15 years, married to an American.
2. Japanese taxpayer, works at a Japanese company, married to a nihonjin, Yomiuri Giants fan.

Then you would get quite different answers, which might contradict the evidence of their eyes. In this case, #2 is an american friend of mine in Tokyo, and #1 is my Japanese expat friend.

Being a member of a society means you have a stake in the game. An American who has a stake in Japan is more a nihonjin than a blood-Japanese expat who lives in the US and never wants to return (like one of my friends here).

Perhaps. But you may have noticed that the Japanese don't consider expats to be real "Japanese" anymore either. Witness the classification and treatment of "returnees", be they gone for decades through no fault of their own (think north korea), or gone for a few years in elementary school 'cause of their dad's job. You see, while blood may be important, it is one's membership and participation in the group that makes one "Japanese". Once put out of the group, or once never a part of it in the first place (in the gaijin's case), to put it in your terms, you don't really have a stake in the society. Well, you may still have expectations on society, but they have no expectations of you, and looking at it from that angle is the appropriate way in Japan. To be Japanese is to live up to expectations placed upon each individual for the sake of the group. Nothing is expected of a gaijin.

And that's the beauty of it!

Just because you have no stake, or were unable to penetrate the group, doesn't mean you can project your failures onto others.

[maraboutslim]

Just because you have no stake, or were unable to penetrate the group, doesn't mean you can project your failures onto others.

Dude, I penetrated on an almost nightly basis, and still do!

There you go again with having to insult someone else or put them down to try to make your point. You have absolutely no information about me or my stake or my failures or successes, so why make that comment? What could it possibly accomplish?

Your statement also implies that you have somehow become part of the group. If so, you are the first gaijin ever. Congratulations. More likely, it's as I described it: you may feel part of the group and feel you have a stake in how the society is run, but the society doesn't see you as a member (though they may seem to: it's just tatemae) and doesn't expect anything from you. And of course it's the group that ascribes membership to individuals - not the other way around. We don't get to declare ourselves Japanese.

[Charles]

I guess that's always what it comes down to, bragging about shagging the chicks, like that means anything.

[Maths Dude]

Only morons misquote people. I hate people who do all kinds of things, and it seems you hate as well charlie. I merely said I hate those japs who try to pretend to be like me. That doesn't mean I hate all japs. I AM married to a jap, and I certainly don't hate her. So get off your high horse you willy wonker. Get a life! You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, so I shall respond no further to this line of posts.

[maraboutslim]

Yeah, i'm not responding anymore either. If he's going to miss fairly obvious jokes (my 'penetration' comment) then we're surely going to get nowhere in the discussion anyway.

[Charles]

I guess that's always what it comes down to, bragging about shagging the chicks, like that means anything.

[AssKissinger]

Asskiss's experience (the cashier saying, "thanks, gaijin-sama"), is one of those situations. "okyaku-sama" would be most approriate in that situation, and the use of "gaijin" only reinforces our differences.

I know you wrote that ages ago but I noticed it again when this thread was bumped and decided to reply. I hear where you're coming from but have you spent much time deep in the inaka? I mean, out here your difference is already so reinforced the strongest of earthquakes couldn't shake it. That doesn't make what you're saying wrong or her right but like I said before as long as my gut tells me someone's heart is in the right place I don't mind at all. I hate these phony motherfuckers who always watch everything they say.

I got a shave and a haircut a couple days ago and the lady who cut my hair was so funny. I just really like this little country shop. And the lady was just on and on 'gaijan-sama' this and that. It was cracking me up. She even asked me if foreign people get white hair when they age even pointing to her not yet dyed roots to help along my sorry listening skills. I told her yeah sure but we call it 'gray hair' in English. If that kind of thing annoys you stay out of inaka but for me it was the only good laugh I had all week. And I felt like I was laughing with her not at her as there wasn't the slightest bit of animosity in what she was saying.

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