why don't non-asian women like asian men that much?

[bluepxl]

i've found that non-asian girls rarely seem to find asian men (CJK or anything) attractive. i'll see these girls get all excited over white dudes, spanish hearthrobs, black playaz, italian guys and just about anything else, but rarely ever have i heard of any non-asian women being like "oh wow, that japanese guy is so cute!"

but in contrast, it seems non-asian men love asian women! so many guys of all sorts of color of skin are so attracted to CJK, and it seems like there are tons of guys who are "japanese only", where they date only japanese women or whatever.

kind of just seemed strange to me that non-asian men love asian women, but non-asian women don't particulary find anything special or attractive towards asian men.

ok, please don't think i sound gay with the following, but i happen to think that japanese men are really good looking! i'm not talking dirty old salarymen ok!! i have seen a lot of younger japanese guys and envy their beautiful hair, their slender skinny form, and their just overall look. when walking around and checking out japanese women, i find myself on occasion checking out japanese men. i don't mean in a gay sexual way, i just mean i find their appearances attractive. if i were a white american woman i don't see why i wouldn't try to hook it up with some of those guys, cause some of them look really good. sometimes i'm jealous and think "wow, i wish i was as hot as that japanese guy" cause then i can imagine i would have to just brush off the ladies i hope that doesn't sound gay, i just mean i find some of the japanese men out there to be pretty attractive, so i don't see why the non-asian women don't really seem to, if i do! i'm a guy, what the hell do i know anyway?!

oh and gomichild is an exception... but you're australian or something right? maybe it's just american women? or maybe you're just a weirdo?

[cstaylor]

Well, in my Japanese language class are three wives of Japanese men: a Brazilian, an American, and a Russian. Not much of a sample group, but...

[Big Booger]

well, not to embellish stereotypes,
but I think it is because of the size of their chinchin.

j/king...

Perhaps many Asian men don't demonstrate their bravado enough or they are just shy...

I know a few non-asians who date asian men.. but the men are usually the more kakoinaaa variety.. not the kakoinaa nerds of asia, but they are more like the kakoinaaa western definition, if there is such a thing...
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[GomiGirl]

I have dated Japanese guys and am happy to date more... but fundamentally there are not that many J-guys who are interested in dating non-J-girls for a variety of reasons. Most FG want to date J-girls and I won't open that can of worms with my thoughts on that. In short, the odds are not on my side.

As I won't speak for everybody, I can only share some of my own experiences... please remember that this is a small sample size as there are so many men and a girl has only so many hours in a day.

I have noticed that alot of the Japanese guys who have been interested in dating have started out in a few different ways with varing levels of success.

Some guys obviously just want to practice their English..
Some guys are just wanting to see what it was like to date a white chick ("I want foreign friends")
Some want a trophy FG GF

Now all of the above approaches do not intice me in the slightest as I am not just a nationality and I am definitely not interested in being a free English teacher... But it must be hard when growing up in a heterogeneous society to see past the "foreign-ness" and to see the person. I think many people can relate to this which is NOT xenophobia rather an ingrained soto/uchi culture. I am not saying it is impossible, it is just rare for men and women as I have read similar stories on this forum a number of times. gomichild has snaffled one of the rare gems and I do know of other successful relationships but these are also where the "traditional" or "cultural" norms are ignored in favour of seeing the individual in all their glory.

The really sweet and interesting guys who I want to date, I tend to scare the bejesus out of them as I tend not to fit into anybodies preconceived notions. As most of you know I run a company and so have a "title" which makes people assume certain things about me. This is true for business but it is not true in the social sense. However, guys of all flavours seem to be intimated by this.. so I tend not to flash the meishi except for work.

But also I am opinionated (nooo it is true really!!) and many people can't cope with this.. and that is cool. But again I really enjoy opinionated people who think for themselves and these make up the majority of my friends - both Japanese and FG. As Ultra says in his signature - I have never learnt from anybody that agrees with me - and this I guess is what I look for - a non-conformist which are like hens teeth in Japan.

One of the most interesting and fun guys I dated was for about 4 months last year I dated an Okinawan musician/technician. We had a blast as he didn't give a toss about the "Kanto Rules" or about rules in general but the main problem was that he was SOOOO hard to understand. Okinawans speak a really different sort of Japanese. My Japanese is pretty good but limited to Kanto-ben if there is such a thing.

Another observation is that there are more Japanese women who are interested in different things - like English and travelling. This is perhaps why there are more Japanese women who are open to dating FG's. For anybody who has travelled or lived in another country, you know that this changes your whole outlook on life. I find it really hard to relate to *anybody* with a narrow view of the world especially if it is ethnocentric...

But don't feel sorry for me - I do date often and I am never lonely.. life is what you make of it and there is good peoples everywhere and mostly where you least expect to find them.

I was not brought up to believe the sum of my feminine worth was in the quality of man I was able to "catch" into marriage rather what I was able to contribute to the world under my own steam. So I am not after anything stable or long term which again people find hard to understand as this is not "traditional" values in any society.. If I had a dollar for everytime someone has said, "GomiGirl, you are so nice, why don't you have a man?". IMHO It is still a problem in every society that assumes that a person has be in a "stable" couple to be happy.. I do know a heap of miserable couples and a heap of happy singles. But I will never say never to anything...

or maybe I am just wierd.. (that was rhetorical!!!)

[GomiGirl]

well, not to embellish stereotypes,
but I think it is because of the size of their chinchin.

I will politely disgree with this.. but if it makes you feel better to think this..

Perhaps many Asian men don't demonstrate their bravado enough or they are just shy...

This is closer to the truth.. remembering that western culture is largely patriachal whereas underlying Japanese culture is a strong matriachal archetype... I can see it even in my office where the women really push around the guys who accept it all - and then just do what they want anyway like sulky boys.

but also the "rules" of dating are very different..

[Big Booger]

I will politely disgree with this.. but if it makes you feel better to think this..

mmmm, I can read a lot into this statement... as in she might have found the one herculean Japanese, AKA Daruku digiraa "Dirk Diggler"
hehehe

I was just being naughty anyway.. I really don't know anything about the size differences between the penis of Asians and westerns...

Would make for an interesting study..
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[GomiGirl]

Would make for an interesting study..
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Agreed!!

[cstaylor]

This is closer to the truth.. remembering that western culture is largely patriachal whereas underlying Japanese culture is a strong matriachal archetype...

Hmmm... I'm not so sure about that. If you mean that the otsubone (spelling?) push around the men who haven't been at that company very long, then yes, she runs the show in that particular situation.
Now, watch the same women interact with someone higher up in the company... there's a different dynamic there.

If I was going to explain the difference, I would say that in workplace Japan, time at the company trumps gender, but track (executive track versus lower-level employee) trumps gender in most cases (unless the man in question has a weak character or the otsubone knows a dirty secret).

Taro probably has far more to add to this... I've only had two years at a small family-run business with 12 employees.

[Taro Toporific]

Would make for an interesting study..
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Agreed!!

Done.

The World Health Organization bases its specifications for condom width on consumer preference and penis size, citing three studies.

Taken together, the studies show significant variations in penis size within all population groups, but also indicate that men of African descent on average have a slightly wider and longer penis size, Caucasian men have a medium size, and Asian men a slightly narrower and shorter size. (WHO)

See the charts here.

See smaller-size specification meant primarily for Asian populations
[url=http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:2XWmf06xk98C:[url]www.positivenation.co.uk/issue68_69/regulars/worldnews/worldnews68_69_4.htm+%22asian+size%22+condoms&hl=en&ie=UTF-8]Or[/url] "Asian condoms too small for Africans"[/url]
And the counterexample: "EU guidelines for condom size are too big"

[ramchop]

I probably shouldn't ask this, but...

Has there been a similar survey done about the dimensions of the genitalia of the female of the species?

[Big Booger]

Taro thanks for that..
Very informative.. Glad I am on the upper scale of the caucasian man...
hehehe
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[gomichild]

Hell I married a J-boy - and I'm as pale as they come. Anyone who thinks that non-Asian women don't find Asian men attractive has never hung out with friends like mine.

My Aussie flatmate and I used to hire the entire series of the Beach Boys every summer just to gawk at Sorimachi and Takenouchi. Every autumn we'd have to sponge the estrogen off the walls.

Unlike GomiGirl I've had a couple of glasses of wine and I will not politely disagree with the small chin chin thing - I have come across two cases only in my time where it was smallish - bout average I think. I have to be careful now to avoid a bruised cervix....(ooops too much information)...

Another point though while my mind is in the gutter - the small chin chin complex has done wonders for us girls - J-boys (and I will add Chinese boys into this too) - have learnt how to manipulate their tongues in a wonderful fashion and make a hell of an effort in that respect...

*hopes this half-pissed post does not come back to haunt her*

[cstaylor]

::running post through Google's WayBackMachine:: Done. Consider yourself incapable of running for Prime Minister.

[gomichild]

poo...

[gomichild]

I think that the similarities between us are quite scary....

BTW what are you doing out so late on a school night young lady?

[cstaylor]

All your words belong to... wait, scratch that. Government of the mediocre, by the mediocre, for the mediocre...

[bluepxl]

yea, gomigirl you make a lot of good points. but dating and a relationship is even a little further than i mean. i mean a lot of non-asian girls are not even *attracted* to them. not even to say "wow, check out that hot guy!" or see someone on tv and be like "ooh, he's cute!" just like they would over any other race. i rarely hear of non-asian girls just generally finding them attractive.

but their hair is so nice!!! and the eyes!

[bluepxl]

yea i'm a small guy (5'2") and so i always just figured i got me a small wang... i haven't really bothered to measure or compare cause umm.. yuck.. that is gross ;p but like a japanese man, i compensate in other areas. like for instance, my teeth kind of grew funny when i was younger into being perfectly shaped vampire teeth.

now if that isn't a turn on i don't know what is! screw penis size! nothing gets a lady going more than my vampire come on "come here and let me kiss your neck... with my teeth BABY!!"

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

does hubby know how you feel about the "Chinese boys."

Now, I fear, we will start to have a conversation about which ethnicities enjoy giving oral more to their gal pals.

As for Peeny size. I wonder if that really isn't linked more to height than ethnicity. Blacks, on average, are probably taller than whites and whites, on average, are probably taller than asians. But the variation is not great and hence there is not the much of a difference in tool length.

However, Asians are now getting taller with better nutrition and, although this is inflammatory, it is probably not reasonable to say that Blacks in the West are really representative of the entire continent of Africa. Rather, the blacks that came to the West in the relatively recent past were probably selected for their size on the theory that you can get more manual labor out of the big guys and gals. Hence, the blacks in the West may very well be the genetic physical standouts of their continent. Furthermore they have been confined to reproducing from this already select pool. Hence you may have a thoroughbred of people when it comes to physical prowess and they are relatively large. Most of you will freak at this but it is probably true in general.

Yours truly,

Gaisara "the greek" datsuraku

[gomichild]

Well I don't feel that I have to defend my hubby in this respect, he stands up for himself...although I remember the first time he and a couple of gay friends of mine and I went snowboarding together - which of course involved going to an onsen. The first thing one of my friends said to me when we got out was "NOW I understand why he got your attention"...

However this is a trivial point. Some of you boys may be disappointed but us girls aren't particularly fussed about the size - it really is all about what you do with it! Or more importantly how you make us feel...

bluepxl - obviously you haven't wandered into any of the threads in which GomiGirl and I have been raving on about asian boys:

http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2279

(BTW GomiGirl the offer for talent scout is still open - jotty wants to join in too, and maybe kuri - wow that's almost a team!)

Gaisaradatsuraku! - I gave up all other boys when I got married. But I'm still allowed to look and drool.

[Big Booger]

I was just kidding to begin with about the pecker length being important.. sorry for bringing it up. It has however prompted an interesting thread.

Now about the responses of the ladies in here, I think you are an exception to the rule and that you represent only a small fraction of the non-asian women.

But, and I will say this, all men of all ethnicities are exceptional in their own ways..

The bruised cervix went a bit too far IMHO, but hey we all have a right to say what we like...

I also feel that a too small tally whacker will indeed leave the girl feeling like she is missing something.. break out the swedish penis pump, LOL

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[gomichild]

I don't think we represent a minority. But there is a difference to finding asian men attractive and being happy in a relationship with one. Many girls would love to go out with an attractive asian guy - if only they would ask! And herein lies the issues of insecurity, escalating in the belief that girls don't find
them attractive.

Oh I have a present for you too Big Booger:


Knock yourself out baby... :P [/url]

[GomiGirl]

I agree with gomichild - the majority of my friends think similarly on this subject - but of course we are senstational ... The guys I date are not because they are of a certain nationality first and foremost.. but it is the ones that interest and intrigue me.. I don't really care how good looking someone is - if they put my feet to sleep then I won't see them again. Forget pick-up lines and all that crap and concentrate on your conversation skills... Shyness is not your friend in this situation...

If I had a dollar for everytime a girlfriend has bemoaned a boring date with a zero in conversation skills or witty banter I would be a rich girl by now.

But, and I will say this, all men of all ethnicities are exceptional in their own ways..

but *I* will add that women of all ethic groups are also exceptional in their own ways as well. I am not a fan of putting one group/gender up against another as it is really not fair to make broad statements about large "groups".

I have found it much easier in my travels on this mortal coil since I stopped making assumptions about everybody I meet and treated each new encounter as an adventure. Sometimes you hit gold, sometimes a fool, but when least expected I am often pleasantly surprised.

Some things I have deliberately stopped doing is asking where people are from or what they do or how long they have been in Japan.. as soon as you ask these questions you have started forming opinions about the other person which are often not fair or accurate. These things reveal themselves in time if the information is at all important.. Believe it or not there are other things to talk about which are often more fun and interesting.

However, I do accept that some people will put a label on me before I have even opened my mouth and if they can't get past that then I don't bother... I have learned not to be frustrated as it is their problem and not mine..

[bluepxl]

bluepxl - obviously you haven't wandered into any of the threads in which GomiGirl and I have been raving on about asian boys:

well no i don't remember that thread, but as i said in my first post:

oh and gomichild is an exception... but you're australian or something right? maybe it's just american women? or maybe you're just a weirdo?

so see, i didn't forget to mention that at least you are a freak! hehe, you too gomigirl!