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Re: Missing FG

Postby matsuki » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:48 am

Embarrassment maybe but I have no doubt they're now receiving aid as a result of the publicity/embarrassment.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Supercub » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:42 am

I wouldn't downplay the psychological blow of having dad and husband absolutely runaway. That's the kind of shit people don't get over. And unfortunately, people feel humiliation and shame when families fall apart. Anyways, it was just a stupid and pointless move on the part of these "helpers," and it made a bad situation worse.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby matsuki » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:55 am

Supercub wrote:I wouldn't downplay the psychological blow of having dad and husband absolutely runaway. That's the kind of shit people don't get over. And unfortunately, people feel humiliation and shame when families fall apart. Anyways, it was just a stupid and pointless move on the part of these "helpers," and it made a bad situation worse.


Oh, definitely messed up...I feel sorry for the children the most...but still can't see the "damage" done here by friends as doing any harm to them. Does his (ex)wife even speak English? If no, she probably was hardly affected at all.

Still more interested in his motivations/rationalization for jumping ship...
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Supercub » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:08 pm

chokonen888 wrote:
Supercub wrote:I wouldn't downplay the psychological blow of having dad and husband absolutely runaway. That's the kind of shit people don't get over. And unfortunately, people feel humiliation and shame when families fall apart. Anyways, it was just a stupid and pointless move on the part of these "helpers," and it made a bad situation worse.


Oh, definitely messed up...I feel sorry for the children the most...but still can't see the "damage" done here by friends as doing any harm to them. Does his (ex)wife even speak English? If no, she probably was hardly affected at all.

Still more interested in his motivations/rationalization for jumping ship...


Yeah, I see that point. There will be a google footprint for years to come, but maybe that doesn't matter so much. I think I just find these friends objectionable. "He could *never* do that to his family!" "We'll find him using Twitter!"

I'm also fascinated by the mindset that led to this. I get having the impulse, but it's hella crazy to actually want to do it, and then do it. The mistress theory seems conceivable.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Kegsy » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:25 pm

You seem to know a lot about his friends.

Can you tell me which ones thought that they would find him on Twitter? I find it bizarre that you have such anger to a bunch of people who wanted to find someone that was missing.
Some of whom were in contact with his family.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby gaijinpunch » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:50 pm

chokonen888 wrote:doesn't make sense to ditch the wifey, kids, work, company AND the rest of your family without some pretty major motivating factor. He obviously didn't take enough money for that to be it so...


Ironically, all he had to do was go through a Japanese divorce and he could have achieved the exact same thing in a less dramatic, but probably drawn out method.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Supercub » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:58 pm

Kegsy wrote:You seem to know a lot about his friends.

Can you tell me which ones thought that they would find him on Twitter? I find it bizarre that you have such anger to a bunch of people who wanted to find someone that was missing.
Some of whom were in contact with his family.


I know nothing about his friends other than their actions. I'm not going to go back and retrace the digital thread of their search, but there was a very widely disseminated message on Twitter that was written by concerned friends. I don't think they hoped to find him ON Twitter, but rather by using Twitter. That's kind of comical. The quotation marks were a giveaway that I was being a wee bit facetious.

I'm not that angry at all, I just find their actions stupid and unthinking. Why should they be totally immune from reproach or criticism?
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Re: Missing FG

Postby matsuki » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:41 pm

Supercub wrote:I'm also fascinated by the mindset that led to this. I get having the impulse, but it's hella crazy to actually want to do it, and then do it. The mistress theory seems conceivable.


I'm sure most are afraid to propose it but the other side to the mistress theory is how his marriage was going. I've seen too many happy looking marriages quickly fall apart without any grace to rule out that possibility. I know nothing about his wife or marriage so it's all just speculation but as you said, it's a big leap from fantasizing about leaving and actually doing it...especially with a kid on the way.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Kegsy » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:00 pm

I'm not that angry at all, I just find their actions stupid and unthinking. Why should they be totally immune from reproach or criticism?



Sorry, I'm struggling to see how their actions were stupid and unthinking.

Garin was reported missing by his wife and his business partner. People then were naturally concerned (though it seems you think that it was unnatural).
It was posted on the FVJ and possibly Twitter. Friends and acquaintances suggested they help, mostly by doing posters in and around Roppongi where he was last seen. They were requested by the family not to do this. So they didn't. Some questioned why, but none of them did anything else. There were regular reminders to say he if you had any information to follow up directly with the police. His Mother repeated this on the FVJ page. His mother also regularly posted on his Facebook page as did a number of his friends. As far as I'm aware, his friends didn't do anything except show concern. Which most people would think is normal.

The vast majority of people who expressed an interest in helping were people who were part of the FVJ, who by and large went up to Tohoku and delivered food and supplies in the early part of the disaster. I presume that you would also have suggested this was stupid or unthinking as well.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Supercub » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:02 pm

Kegsy wrote:
I'm not that angry at all, I just find their actions stupid and unthinking. Why should they be totally immune from reproach or criticism?



Sorry, I'm struggling to see how their actions were stupid and unthinking.

Garin was reported missing by his wife and his business partner. People then were naturally concerned (though it seems you think that it was unnatural).
It was posted on the FVJ and possibly Twitter. Friends and acquaintances suggested they help, mostly by doing posters in and around Roppongi where he was last seen. They were requested by the family not to do this. So they didn't. Some questioned why, but none of them did anything else. There were regular reminders to say he if you had any information to follow up directly with the police. His Mother repeated this on the FVJ page. His mother also regularly posted on his Facebook page as did a number of his friends. As far as I'm aware, his friends didn't do anything except show concern. Which most people would think is normal.

The vast majority of people who expressed an interest in helping were people who were part of the FVJ, who by and large went up to Tohoku and delivered food and supplies in the early part of the disaster. I presume that you would also have suggested this was stupid or unthinking as well.


Okay, you win. This seems personal to you, while I'm just talking shit on the internet. Maybe you shouldn't be posting to this thread, because you seem kind of close to the situation. I'm just spouting off about something I've read about. It's on a forum called fuckedgaijin. It's on the internet. I'll never meet these people, and I'm not angry at them. I don't feel that strongly about the situation.

I'll restate my basic point one last time, just so it's clear. The friends may have had good intentions, but they kicked off a sequence that made this isolated incident into something much bigger. In my estimation, they showed poor judgement and naivete in doing this. I don't think they are bad people, but I find their actions somewhat irksome. In general, I was just trying to bring a fresh perspective to a somewhat stale topic.

Again, I don't know these people, and it doesn't matter what I think. It's the internet.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby legion » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:28 pm

chokonen888 wrote:Oh, definitely messed up...I feel sorry for the children the most...but still can't see the "damage" done here by friends as doing any harm to them. Does his (ex)wife even speak English? If no, she probably was hardly affected at all.

Still more interested in his motivations/rationalization for jumping ship...


My guess is he was in a certain frame of mind



My guess is the cops kept quiet to see if there were any other people involved.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Taro Toporific » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:45 pm

Fucking J-police :evil:

Missing British expat left Tokyo with company cash?
japantimes.co.jp | July 29, 2013
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British media reports over the weekend suggested Dart withdrew about £40,000 from his company before he vanished. Police confirmed that Dart left the country for an “unknown destination” and that they are “not investigating any criminal complaint against him,” the Daily Mail said on its website.
A spokesman from the Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department said the MPD could not confirm whether the reports on Dart were true.
“This was not an official announcement (regarding the case) and we can’t confirm the details,” the spokesman told The Japan Times on Monday.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby yanpa » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:32 am

So is there a criminal complaint against him which they are just not investigating?

Otherwise, AFAIK (disclaimer: IANAL) walking out on your family and withdrawing funds *from your own company* may be despicable behaviour, but not something which should cause the police to launch a criminal investigation on their own initiative. (Personally I wouldn't want any police force acting on solely on the basis of reports in the Daily Fail anyway, but hey, that's just my opinion).

Disclaimer (2): I am in no way defending the actions of Mr. Dart or the inactions of the pipo-popo.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby matsuki » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:45 pm

Unless the company has filed a complaint, I doubt any criminal investigation will happen. (and considering it hasn't happened yet, I doubt that it ever will)
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Marked Trail » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:47 pm


Moving Forward

FOREIGN VOLUNTEERS JAPAN / Aug. 1, 2013
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As one of the admins of the FVJ forum, I thought it was time to address the Garin Dart case. In regards to questions about the lack of updates on this page about the case, there are two main reasons. The first is that the core group that formed the original delivery missions and ran the various projects have since filtered out to other groups and organizations leading into early 2012. While we originally had ambitions to set up FVJ as a formal group, our projects were far too varied and spread out over very wide areas of Tohoku to maintain a cohesive momentum...
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The second reason is that myself and the other admins have been extremely worried about an old friend who disappeared without a trace. Garin has not been actively involved in FVJ since late-2011 when his business with Bluesilver started to finally pick back up. Following 3.11, his event management business dealt with a number of sudden cancellations while Embassies were calling out for their citizens to evacuate the country. While I imagine it was a tough call for him, Garin really came through in the early days by reallocating a lot of the resources planned for these events directly into Tohoku donations. It was thanks to this that the first delivery of goods that we made up North consisted of hundreds of cans of Baked Beans and Pineapple Juice. The following delivery was a more practical delivery of 3000 bottles of water. Garin worked hard to convince his partners and suppliers to let us borrow their vehicles, and to generously donate essential goods, foods and supplies for delivery.
In regards to his disappearance, I first heard of it through mutual friends linking to the Telegraph article. I have known Garin for several years, and was shocked, worried and scared for him. When planning delivery projects, he sometimes talked about his family, and how he regretted having to often work late, because he was missing time that he could spend with his young son. As an admin of the forum, I was told some very terrible stories of what might have happened to him. I do not want to recount those tales here, but the other admins and myself have spent many sleepless nights in worry for our colleague and friend. He was always idealistic, and could be stubborn when he focused himself on a goal. In mid-2011, when he first heard that a particular underground organization had begun taking advantage of tsunami survivors, he got visibly upset and angry with that news. With that memory in mind, it wouldn’t have been out-of-character for him to have followed up on trying to stop that.
After two months of fear and worry that my old friend could be dead, these latest news articles give hope that he is alive. If he is alive, the idea that he embezzled from his company and abandoned his family, are some terrible things to have done. The other admins and myself only know as much as is in the papers. I wish we knew more. If he is gone, I wish we knew with some certainly to remember his good deeds and to let him rest in peace. If he has run away, he will have to answer for abandoning his family deserting his company, and worrying the hell out of his friends and family.
In conclusion, this would be a good time to remind everyone that FVJ’s primary objectives is to continue supporting volunteer efforts in Tohoku, as well as to help people be prepared to help in the event of future disasters. While we are all very concerned about Garin, we must not allow this to distract from the work that needs to be done.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby wangta » Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:41 am

Um, what kind of link have you posted here? I clicked on it to read more of the missing gaijin and I got a warning sign from my security and a 'hide my ass' notice with something else, don't know what it was as I just quit the page. Why on earth does this normal looking link you put here lead to something like that? What on earth is that link about?
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Coligny » Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:13 am

Anonymizer relinking services...

The target website can't know you are coming from fookedgaijin...

Taro use anon.to i think... But hidemyass do the same...
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Taro Toporific » Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:45 am

wangta wrote:...Why on earth does this normal looking link you put here lead to something like that? What on earth is that link about?


As Coligny said, that link was an anonymous referrer that is used to protect the FG forum unwanted attention (and unwarranted complaints) from websites who don't like what the FG is saying about them.

For example when dealing with the highly admired journalist/fabulist "CJ", I changed all the links to CJ websites by adding http://anonym.to/? to them. For example, the https://twitter.com/cjglobalite can be changed to http://anonym.to/?https://twitter.com/cjglobalite




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http://hidemyass.com/anonymous-referrer/
When linking to websites you risk revealing the source you are linking from due to a simple 'referrer' check.
Sometimes you may be linking from a sensitive web page you do not wish to reveal (e.g. a private control panel or a website not intended for public use).
By using our anonymous referrer service only "HideMyAss.com" will be logged by the website you are linking to, thus masking your true websites identity.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Russell » Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:07 am

Taro Toporific wrote:
wangta wrote:...Why on earth does this normal looking link you put here lead to something like that? What on earth is that link about?


As Coligny said, that link was an anonymous referrer that is used to protect the FG forum unwanted attention (and unwarranted complaints) from websites who don't like what the FG is saying about them.

For example when dealing with the highly admired journalist/fabulist "CJ", I changed all the links to CJ websites by adding http://anonym.to/? to them. For example, the https://twitter.com/cjglobalite can be changed to http://anonym.to/?https://twitter.com/cjglobalite

This info should be in a FAQ somewhere.

Better even would be to include the anonym.to string when we click URL to add a link.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby jmatt » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:43 am

So, does anyone feel like a fucking chump for believing in this sack of shit? Just goes to show---you never really ever know anyone. Though, this guy was shady from the start, wasn't too hard to have seen that.

No fucking surprise!
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Postby Russell » Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:11 am

jmatt wrote:So, does anyone feel like a fucking chump for believing in this sack of shit? Just goes to show---you never really ever know anyone. Though, this guy was shady from the start, wasn't too hard to have seen that.

No fucking surprise!

You are such a nice boy, aren't you?!?
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Coligny » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:06 am

My vote goes for instaban...

Making such a good impression on a first post makes me think this guy is shady from the start, isn't too hard to see what will follow next...
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Re: Missing FG

Postby chibaka » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:49 am

I get the feeling he is personally acquainted with the disappearing one......
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Re: Missing FG

Postby matsuki » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:08 am

jmatt wrote:Though, this guy was shady from the start, wasn't too hard to have seen that.

No fucking surprise!


Care to elaborate?
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Postby GomiGirl » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:30 am

jmatt wrote:So, does anyone feel like a fucking chump for believing in this sack of shit? Just goes to show---you never really ever know anyone. Though, this guy was shady from the start, wasn't too hard to have seen that.

No fucking surprise!


The official information is pretty light at best - most of the stuff going around on the internet is (as usual) supposition and conjecture and people have been drawing conclusions as to his character etc.

Do you have more information other than - "immigration he has confirmed he has left the country" and "the police have abandoned their search"?

So based on this sketchy information, you have projected that he is a sack of shit and that he was shady from the start. Or do you have something more substantial to add to the current fact base?

For myself, I am not going to draw any conclusions about the whole incident until there is more information - facts not opinions or projections. There may never be any more information so it will remain one of life's eternal mysteries that are never reveals - like the grassy knoll and area 51.

I will concede that things are not looking good for him right now but there are so many facts not present right now that everything else is simply opinion.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Coligny » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:09 pm

I'd say, the more it goes, in fact, the less we know...

Soon enough the only reliable fact remaining will be : the guy is not there anymore
And i would not even trust this until all the closet has been searched and Tokyo bay cleaned up...

Then there's Russel who will tell us that he saw an UFO in his bedroom that tried to kidnap him with a hook in the bunghole and the guy was already in their cell... But i don't trust guy who do horse tranquilizer shot behind their eyeballs as recreationnal drug and who after can't even recognize a male in female bikini anymore...
Plus i'm sure it was no alien but only McTojo naked wearing just a tinfoil hat with Christmas lights tied to his junk. He already tried this one me, totally busted his ass of the gaybar by the owner... (Club "the rekt00mb" in Hamamatsu i totally recommand their 'krautSheisse' cocktail kaluha-beer-corn mix)
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Re: Missing FG

Postby matsuki » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:38 pm

From all the available info, it's pretty unlikely the guy did anything but willfully jam the fuck out. (though we may never know his reasons) I still think it was either a new lover or some really messed up situation with his (now ex?) wife but still nothing but guesses until the guy reappears.
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Russell » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:16 pm

Coligny wrote:Then there's Russel who will tell us that he saw an UFO in his bedroom that tried to kidnap him with a hook in the bunghole...

Fornicate Coligny, how do you know my wife?!?
Coligny wrote:But i don't trust guy who do horse tranquilizer shot behind their eyeballs as recreational drug and who after can't even recognize a male in female bikini anymore...

So, you would trust a guy who couldn't recognize a male in bikini if he would not do horse tranquilizer behind their eyeballs as a recreational drug?
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Re: Missing FG

Postby Coligny » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:00 pm

Russell wrote:
Coligny wrote:Then there's Russel who will tell us that he saw an UFO in his bedroom that tried to kidnap him with a hook in the bunghole...

Fornicate Coligny, how do you know my wife?!?


Couldn't guess she had same hobbies as mine, I wuz just projecting until now...


Russell wrote:
Coligny wrote:But i don't trust guy who do horse tranquilizer shot behind their eyeballs as recreational drug and who after can't even recognize a male in female bikini anymore...

So, you would trust a guy who couldn't recognize a male in bikini if he would not do horse tranquilizer behind their eyeballs as a recreational drug?


I need more time to think aboot it...
And a horse in a bikini too...
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Re: Missing FG

Postby chibaka » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:50 pm

So has this guy been traced yet? Concrete waistcoat maybe? Hiding out in a cheap Asian ghetto?
Seems to have gone mighty quiet....
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