Jack in Tokyo strikes out in Ropongi

[Greji]

Not really, and if that's all they have to offer you, it's just sad. Nothing but interchangeable body parts, your own flesh-and-blood sex toy.

I think it was Murakami Haruki who wrote in a short essay that they should post a sign saying "Don't you feel empty aftewards?" in love hotels.

For a board that is usually very open and in some cases quite vocal about the controls and/or strictness of the Christian religion, this thread has suddenly become very righteous on the Ten Commandments!

The area that runs between Shibuya, Aoyama, Roppongi, Akasaka and with a bit of a skip, Shinjuku, contains thousands of office and other working girls, who are not hookers, but a lot of whom, do share a common trait. They get horny. Since most are professional and career women and may not have any intentions of getting married or tied down in a relationship (art least in that moment in their life), they will literally pick out and pick up the guy of their own selection to service their immediate needs!

Should I meet one of this ladies and she engages me in an intelligent conversation, which some people don't believe they are capable of doing and the girl suddenly indicates that she would like to strap me on for the evening gratis, am I to say "Oh no! I can't make you a sex toy with interchangable parts! Besides, I will feel just empty afterwards and guilty for betraying my wife"!

NFW, I'll breechload that baby before she finds someone ease her scratching and if I feel empty, it will be from draining that load of hi-octane I had been carring around. We will shake hands at the door upon parting and thank each other for a wonderful time and vow to do it again (which usually never happens in these cases) and go our separate ways.

I'm truly sorry that that just doesn't make me feel bad or guilty, or cause me to loose a wink of sleep worrying about it, regardless how much there are those who think that I should.

[CrankyBastard]

I had a fantastic wank on Friday night.
My wife still doesn't know about it, hehe!
Folks, did you really need to know about that?


It's not about what Jack's doing.

[Greji]

I had a fantastic wank on Friday night.
My wife still doesn't know about it, hehe!
Folks, did you really need to know about that?


It's not about what Jack's doing.

Where I do admit that a play by play (or would it be stroke by stroke?) commentary could be a bit boring, it might be instructional for Jack, given his luck in Roppongi!

[FG Lurker]

For a board that is usually very open and in some cases quite vocal about the controls and/or strictness of the Christian religion, this thread has suddenly become very righteous on the Ten Commandments!

I've also been very surprised by the very puritanical leanings of some people here.

Jack is an obvious loser, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that he's 43 and hasn't left his mother's basement for years. But all these people loudly proclaiming how they don't chase women anymore or how a quick fuck leaves them "feeling empty"!? What boring lives you must all lead!

I'm truly sorry that that just doesn't make me feel bad or guilty, or cause me to loose a wink of sleep worrying about it, regardless how much there are those who think that I should.

Good to see that there is at least one other person on the board who doesn't belong to the "puritanical sheeple" crowd!

Lighten up people! Sex is not evil and sex <> love, no matter what your parents/teacher/priest drilled into your head (or ass if it was a priest).

[Greji]

drilled into your head (or ass if it was a priest).

Gee Lurk, you sound like a "sore" Catholic there!
hehe

[james]

if there's any single thing i like about this country, it's the fact that it does *not* have puritanical / xtian leanings and isn't filled with people telling me i should be saving my penis for a threesome with my wife and jesus alone.

it's been shown repeatedly by biologists and those of other disciplines that humans of both the sane and insane gender are simply not wired for lifelong monogamy.

i'm not saying married people should go out and bof anything and everything that's warm, but i think an approach of discretion instead of being naieve about the whole thing works better. western society has put marriage and monogamy on such a sancrosanct level to the complete contradiction of biology.

[jingai]

Are you sure these "relationships" are as meaningless for the women as they are for you? That they're not trying to use you in a sad attempt to escape from their current lives and think that they can trade sex for some sort of relationship with an exotic gaijin? Is your Japanese language good enough that you can even know?

If you're doing this as consenting equals, I don't have a problem with it at all, it's just a biological urge, but there is the taint of exploitation whenever someone uses their social status and power for sex.

By the way, I'm an athiest and was raised athiest, but try not to treat others like shit.

it's been shown repeatedly by biologists and those of other disciplines that humans of both the sane and insane gender are simply not wired for lifelong monogamy.

Have you read any of these studies? This sort of biological reductionism isn't very convincing. You are more than your genes and more than your hormones, and this line of argument is just an excuse to rationalize your decisions. If you don't think there are moral or social (social mores do not equal religious) problems with exploitative promiscuous sex, then why bother offer up a defense at all?

Where am I coming from on this? In my stay in Japan, one of the saddest things I saw was a handsome, 6 foot tall blonde Scandanavian hitting on Japanese girls at a college party. He arrived with one girl, ditched her, and started publicly making out with another, despite her friends trying to talk sense into her. A few minutes later, he was through with her and left her to cry and found yet another gullible girl to play with.
These weren't prostitutes in Roppongi, but college students, and the girls wouldn't have been crying if it meant nothing to them. You'd have to be a piece of garbage to treat other humans like disposable sex toys, "Christian" values or not. [/end rant]

[FG Lurker]

Gee Lurk, you sound like a "sore" Catholic there!
hehe

Thankfully not Catholic, past present or future.

I'm sick of the puritan outlook on life, sick of hearing idiots spew about "intelligent design", sick of so much stuff that is happening in the US and to a somewhat lesser extent Canada.

[james]

If you're doing this as consenting equals, I don't have a problem with it at all, it's just a biological urge, but there is the taint of exploitation whenever someone uses their social status and power for sex.

that's fine, and that's where i draw the line too. i do take issue when it's someone in a position of power or authority exploiting the other.

By the way, I'm an athiest and was raised athiest, but try not to treat others like shit.

i'm atheist too, though i was raised catholic. by the time i was twelve i started looking at all this stupid dogma from a logical perspective and decided for myself that it was bunk.

Have you read any of these studies? This sort of biological reductionism isn't very convincing. You are more than your genes and more than your hormones, and this line of argument is just an excuse to rationalize your decisions. If you don't think there are moral or social (social mores do not equal religious) problems with exploitative promiscuous sex, then why bother offer up a defense at all?

though i haven't quoted sources, i've read quite a few studies. i'll assume you can google / read so i'm not going to go looking for them. i'm not by any means saying that people are nothing more than base instinct acting on urges alone. far from it. many of us are rational, intelligent beings capable of respecting the feelings of others. as for rationalizing "my" decisions, i've as yet had none that needed rationalizing, be it a lack of opportunity or my current circumstances, nor was i trying to defend wanton, exploitive promiscuous sex, in fact if i recall, i said quite to the contrary. i simply don't feel that sex between two equals legally and emotionally capable of consent is something that needs "defending".

the saddest things I saw was a handsome, 6 foot tall blonde Scandanavian hitting on Japanese girls at a college party. He arrived with one girl, ditched her, and started publicly making out with another ...but college students

i quite agree with you here, that is very sad and this is certainly not behaviour that i would condone. i'd say that situation goes quite beyond sex and well into emotional abuse by someone who is likely a sociopath in the clinical sense of the word[/quote]

[kurohinge1]

I think the two main points are being missed.

If you don't intend to follow the road rules, don't ask for a driver's licence.

I have no problem with various types of relationships as long as no one is deceived.

But don't shit on an institution that actually means something to other people, particularly if you hurt your partner(s) in the process.

People shouldn't take wedding vows and dupe some poor soul into wasting the better part of their life with them if they don't intend to keep their promises.

If they find someone who's happy to live with a philanderer or in an "open" relationship - fine. That's informed consent - no one's decieved. But don't stand in a church and promise to be faithful 'til death. Organise a non-religious ceremony and make your own vows.

And don't deceive your partner.

[FG Lurker]

If you don't intend to follow the road rules, don't ask for a driver's licence.

You never speed, never run a yellow light, never coast through a stop sign, never park in a no-parking zone while you run into a conbini, never... I could go on. (Do you even drive in Japan?)

(I know you will say that driving and marriage are different. However it is you who made the comparison, not me.)

Deception is wrong. Forcing religious-based morals onto others is just as wrong. Before you disagree, consider if you would want to live under Sharia. If not, why not? Because it is not your religion? Exactly.

[Iraira]

I've also been very surprised by the very puritanical leanings of some people here.

Jack is an obvious loser, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that he's 43 and hasn't left his mother's basement for years. But all these people loudly proclaiming how they don't chase women anymore or how a quick fuck leaves them "feeling empty"!? What boring lives you must all lead!


Good to see that there is at least one other person on the board who doesn't belong to the "puritanical sheeple" crowd!

Lighten up people! Sex is not evil and sex <> love, no matter what your parents/teacher/priest drilled into your head (or ass if it was a priest).

It's not about being puritanical, it's simply about Jack being a putz (especially as he has kids). We're all walking around our various niches in Japan looking at clones of the same 19-4? year old females, with our hormones screaming, "Go get that!" For a multiplicity of reasons, the married/in LTR people generally can't chase everything in sight as a single person can:
1) Game and looks - gone
2) Effort and worry - too extreme
3) Just trying to be good regarding the marriage (and perhaps kids).

Clearly, when a girl literally offers herself up to a guy regardless of his marital status, she is either a psychopath or in a realm beyond horny. The difficulty is of course trying to figure out which one is governing her actions at the time. Also, it is helpful to make sure that she is 100% female (unless that is your thing)....but that is a story for another time.
Jack just shows disregard for anything but his dick or his imagination, which is what I think infuriates so many. He also leaves so many holes (not a vaginal reference) in his story that it makes for easy target practice. It's not about being conveniently and/or jealously puritanical, it's the internet, bash away on the fools.

I for one am proud to be going to Hell. After living in Tokyo for many summers and being treated like crap by many employers, it can't be all that bad. And it beats playing BINGO on Saturday night!

[American Oyaji]

I was raised Christian, but I think I've broken every law in the Bible at least twice. More if I liked doing it.

As wrong as I've come to realize I've been, there are sound practical reasons for remaining monogamous in marriage aside from religous aspects.

1. Bareback-hodai with no worries about pregancy or disease.
2. You always know "WHOSE" it is. (pussy)
3. No hurt feelings afterwords.
4. No possibility of guilt unless you plugged the wrong whole on purpose.
5. You always know whose it is. (child)

There are more, but I'm do damn sleepy to think about them.
Have I done dirt? Yes. Had YBF too many times to count.
Have I cheated on my spouse? yes. At one time I was like Jack and bragged about it.
I realize that I damaged myself in doing so. Pychologically and emotionally.
I became scarred and cold and I saw the women I was screwing as nothing more than living breathing cum rag. If you go too far, one can extend those same emotions towards ones spouse during sex without realizing it.

There is a problem when you get that far. I was close enough to see the danger, but not go over the edge.

[Jack]

:rofl:

Thankfully not Catholic, past present or future.

I'm sick of the puritan outlook on life, sick of hearing idiots spew about "intelligent design", sick of so much stuff that is happening in the US and to a somewhat lesser extent Canada.

I live through this bullshit everyday in Canada. Can't even look at a girl here without being accused of being a "sexual predator". Fuck this world. I'll take Japan anyday over this puritanical crap in North America.

No I don't feel empty after leaving the love hotel.

[Jack]

I was raised Christian, but I think I've broken every law in the Bible at least twice. More if I liked doing it.

I became scarred and cold and I saw the women I was screwing as nothing more than living breathing cum rag. If you go too far, one can extend those same emotions towards ones spouse during sex without realizing it.

I can relate to this. Sometimes while screwing I lose enthusiasm no matter how pretty the girl is because the goal which is to capture a kill is achieved and the rest is just the motion to complete the ceremony. I experienced this more frequently in the past 2 years which is why I have slowed down substantially.

[Sarutaro]

Even the married ones in supermarkets. You can get girls ANYWHERE in Tokyo, not just in bars. All you have to do is fucking ask. "I want to meet you, can we have a coffee?".

If I was your wife I'd be "having coffee" in your absense too...

[Jack]

If I was your wife I'd be "having coffee" in your absense too...

I've already addressed that issue.

[kurohinge1]

You never speed, never run a yellow light, never coast through a stop sign, never park in a no-parking zone while you run into a conbini, never... I could go on. (Do you even drive in Japan?)

(I know you will say that driving and marriage are different. However it is you who made the comparison, not me.)

Deception is wrong. Forcing religious-based morals onto others is just as wrong. Before you disagree, consider if you would want to live under Sharia. If not, why not? Because it is not your religion? Exactly.

FGL, I have a lot of time for you and so I'm making the effort to try and explain my point better. Please consider it.

The analogy about the driving was meant to refer to someone who intends to ignore all road rules, all traffic lights, driving-side, etc. The point being that people who purport to be non-religious still sometimes insist on religious weddings.

I never suggested forcing religious-based morals onto others. But those who purport not to be religious should stand up and be honest about it instead of pretending to be religious for about an hour during a wedding ceremony.

In another thread I see people mock a guy for disrespecting Japanese religious beliefs (on his website 3 years ago) and now I see people turn around and do the very same thing themselves.

If people don't believe, fine, but don't pretend to just for the ceremony. These days, legally, you don't need a religious ceremony. Non-believers should be mature enough to do their own (non-religious) ceremony, like I suggested, with their own vows. They can still have the pomp and ceremony, the pretty flowers, the party, etc. but they should respect the various religions enough not to pretend to be something they're not. That's all.

At least that way, the blushing bride (or even groom) can't be as easily deceived.

And the deception point we seem to agree on.

[amdg]

Back when I hadn’t hit the 30’s yet I used to spend a lot of time clubbing around Osaka. The saddest thing I think I ever saw was a couple of 40-something western guys hanging around the bar, lascivious grins on their faces like they’d just been elected the presidents of pussyville. Wait a minute, that wasn’t the saddest thing, the saddest thing was when one of them pulled out a wad of 10,000 notes, ostensibly to buy a drink, but didn’t put it away just held the big wad out in front of his chest like it was going to attract him some honeys. Eyes were rolling , let me tell you. I felt like tapping him on the shoulder – umm, this isn’t thailand dickhead . Needless to say they both left the bar alone, but not through lack of trying.

Edit: that’s not to say that older guys, myself included I guess, shouldn’t be going out and doing whatever they like – I won’t judge your moral attitudes. But I may, from time to time, judge your taste. To wit - 40+ guys have no business being in ‘dancefloor’ type nightclubs because it’s just not a good look. You can thank me later for this advice, by buying me a beer next time you see me in a bar.

[Greji]

Clearly, when a girl literally offers herself up to a guy regardless of his marital status, she is either a psychopath or in a realm beyond horny. The difficulty is of course trying to figure out which one is governing her actions at the time.

You are clearly going to hell. but since I am older, I will be waiting and meet you at the gate when you get off the boat. However, you and I hang out at different places. Sure if if you're talking about the gin mills in lower Roppongi and the like, you're going to be more likely to find the meat heads and psychopaths (although that doesn't make them a bad toss in the hay). However, there are those women who will dress down and as if leading a separate life, troll for studs in those areas.

But, if you are trying to tell me that well bred, refined, elite university graduate office ladies in Tokyo, don't get horny and won't offer themselves up to FG males in one way or the other, you might need another audience. When I drink all of my brain functions will eventually transfer to the ped of my hecker and I don't beleive this is a male phenomenon that I hold exclusive rights on. There are also women that have the female version of this happen to them, but that doesn't make them a nympho or a psyco.

We have spent a lot of ban width on the personal pressures, strains and situations confronting J-males in their business and office world, but haven't spent as much time addressing the J-lady "salary man" in the same light!

These women can be quite receptive to an FG or visiting businessman for the very reason is that they are not looking for any LT relationship and they just want a good rutting and to be off to their boring job afterwards. Also, since virginity is not a mandatory matter, nor a highly held prize held in abeyance as a gift of fidelity to the pefect husband (who probably already has at least herpes) the FG that appears to be in the businessman, or teacher class offers a nice out for a quick slam, bam, thank you ma'm with no strings attached.

They cannot get physically intimate with anyone within, or even related to, their company without problems developing if it is not a LTR with marriage at the end of the tunnel. Again, the appeal of the FG can be that it will not come roaring back to haunt them at the office!

Also, it is helpful to make sure that she is 100% female (unless that is your thing)....but that is a story for another time.

Hehehe! There are some great war stories about events with these folk. I have been fortunate not to have been fooled yet, by the grace of good luck as there are a few hot ones around that if you aren't told you wouldn't know better until you were there! It can also be very embarassing and damaging to one's male ego, to date someone who is hung better than you are!

And it beats playing BINGO on Saturday night!

Cetainly does, on most nights at that!

[FG Lurker]

I hate to defend myself but here it goes: far from being a loser, only if you knew me. [much drivel removed]

You protest too much. As I said before, I would not be surprised to find that you're 43 and hiding out in Mom's basement.

[Jack]

Edit: that’]no business[/u] being in ‘dancefloor’ type nightclubs because it’s just not a good look. You can thank me later for this advice, by buying me a beer next time you see me in a bar.

I have already admitted this much myself.

[GomiGirl]

By the way, I am 500% sure the wife doesn't bang anyone so loosen up on that front. If you guys cannot get a girl and train her the way a woman should behave then that's your problem guys.

Protesting way too hard again on this one.

Sounds to me like she has you trained fairly well. Gets to have a certain lifestyle with her kids and enjoy it without you around to bother her. The reason she is not sleeping with you is because she doesn't want to... whether she is sleeping with anybody else is moot - it is just that she finds you unattractive.

[FG Lurker]

Protesting way too hard again on this one.

Sounds to me like she has you trained fairly well. Gets to have a certain lifestyle with her kids and enjoy it without you around to bother her. The reason she is not sleeping with you is because she doesn't want to... whether she is sleeping with anybody else is moot - it is just that she finds you unattractive.

I like the original version of your post better GG.

[Iraira]

You are clearly going to hell. but since I am older, I will be waiting and meet you at the gate when you get off the boat. However, you and I hang out at different places. Sure if if you're talking about the gin mills in lower Roppongi and the like, you're going to be more likely to find the meat heads and psychopaths (although that doesn't make them a bad toss in the hay). However, there are those women who will dress down and as if leading a separate life, troll for studs in those areas.

As for who gets to the lava pits first, I dunno....I smoke a lot of cigarettes, coughing up pieces of charcoal doesn't speak volumes for my longevity. But, to try to stay on topic, of course everyone (regardless of gender and sometimes species....not another story for another time) gets the Spanish Fly bug now and then. Sadly, I generally (and this is a rarity in and of itself, I don't want to make inpossible to substantiate Internet Boasts and come off like a Jack clone) seemed to find the "looking for a boyfriend/husband" girls, when I was simply looking for belt notches. Perhaps, this was because I didn't go fishing in Roppongi.

[maninjapan]

You couldnt score in Roppongi - guess it proves something

1) you are either bullshitting about yourself

2) you went to a man only bar

3) and in case if (2) you are supposedly straight

You wife is tossing two men at once whilst you bail out looing for girls almost 30 yrs younger than you. Don;t you think they may see you as some mug who can splash cash on them and they dick tease you and you get nothing?!

[Jack]

[quote="maninjapan"]You couldnt score in Roppongi - guess it proves something

1) you are either bullshitting about yourself

2) you went to a man only bar

3) and in case if (2) you are supposedly straight

You wife is tossing two men at once whilst you bail out looing for girls almost 30 yrs younger than you. Don]


What juvenile post. How old are you?
Your mother is ugly la la la la la la la ...

[AssKissinger]

Jack, aren't you or didn't you write a book or something?