J-women who won't work

[GomiGirl]

I don't think men are superfluous at all. Just because an ancient gender role is no longer relevent, it doesn't mean that half the population have no value. Far from it..

Personally I think it is time for men to redefine their own roles in this ever changing society. Women have done it - or at least have given themselves more options that suit the individual..

Well thank you for the kind words GG. But could you suggest what exclusive 'new role' men are supposed to perform?

Whatever you want.. that is the point. Why are you asking me about who you should be or what role you should play? I have my own life to deal with.

Stop being led around by your nose and living within somebody else's external definition of who you should be. Define it yourself. You don't need permission from me just as I don't need permission from you.

Sheesh - for all the independant girls I know, I know as many guys who are wanting a wife, girlfriend, secretary to take care of all the details in their lives that they are too lazy to deal with. Independance is not about earning money. It is about taking responsibility for your own health, happiness and well-being and making your own decisions. As soon as a guy I have been dating has asked me to pick out what to wear to work in the mornings, they get dumped. I am deadly serious. If they can't pick out a tie and dress themselves, then they are as dependant as a child.. (which I don't have either) I am barely able to take care of myself, let alone somebody else who should be capable.

[Alcazar]

I don't think men are superfluous at all. Just because an ancient gender role is no longer relevent, it doesn't mean that half the population have no value. Far from it..

Personally I think it is time for men to redefine their own roles in this ever changing society. Women have done it - or at least have given themselves more options that suit the individual..

Well thank you for the kind words GG. But could you suggest what exclusive 'new role' men are supposed to perform?

Whatever you want.. that is the point. Why are you asking me about who you should be or what role you should play? I have my own life to deal with.

GG, I don't think you recognised my question as being rhetorical, not an actual question of advice.

My point was that there is no actual exclusive role for men in women's eyes today-women are protected and derive an income through means other than men. Plus, women still have the exclusive role of being mothers-something only women can do. There is probably nothing now that only men can do.

Stop being led around by your nose and living within somebody else's external definition of who you should be. Define it yourself. You don't need permission from me just as I don't need permission from you.

Be careful what you wish for. If any individual doesn't feel they play a role or are needed within an organisation, let alone something as important as society/life, then that individual may not care so much about anything. I gave my example of what is happening to millions of unemployed young men in the West. What they do affects everyone, whether you think you can insulate yourself or not. I may not have explained this properly.

As soon as a guy I have been dating has asked me to pick out what to wear to work in the mornings, they get dumped. I am deadly serious. If they can't pick out a tie and dress themselves, then they are as dependant as a child.. (which I don't have either) I am barely able to take care of myself, let alone somebody else who should be capable.

That is way too harsh and picky. Maybe they just wanted your imput-I'm sure they dressed themselves before they met you....

[ramchop]

There is probably nothing now that only men can do.

We can pee standing up.

Any other men out there feeling inadequate, or is it just Alcazar? :P

[Alcazar]

Any other men out there feeling inadequate, or is it just Alcazar? :P

No ramchop, I'm not from NZ........

[ramchop]

Any other men out there feeling inadequate, or is it just Alcazar? :P

No ramchop, I'm not from NZ........

That's not fair! Our PM is more of a man than yours is.

[GomiGirl]

I don't think men are superfluous at all. Just because an ancient gender role is no longer relevent, it doesn't mean that half the population have no value. Far from it..

Personally I think it is time for men to redefine their own roles in this ever changing society. Women have done it - or at least have given themselves more options that suit the individual..

Well thank you for the kind words GG. But could you suggest what exclusive 'new role' men are supposed to perform?

Whatever you want.. that is the point. Why are you asking me about who you should be or what role you should play? I have my own life to deal with.

GG, I don't think you recognised my question as being rhetorical, not an actual question of advice.

My point was that there is no actual exclusive role for men in women's eyes today-women are protected and derive an income through means other than men. Plus, women still have the exclusive role of being mothers-something only women can do. There is probably nothing now that only men can do.

Rhetorical - of course I saw it - I imagine you were you pouting as you typed it? I just wasn't going to let you get away with such an obvious snarky comment.

Well how is your lack of identity and self-worth my problem?

What is wrong for being valued for your individual talents and skills and not from what genetics allows you to do.

The blue stocking-ers knew that they would not be able to demand the right to vote or be able to force it to happen physically so they got organised, protested, lobbied and appealed to logical arguments and the law was changed. They paved the way and provided a precedent for other groups to assert themselves and fight for what they wanted.

Stop whining about things being different and unfair because you think that "you have no clearly defined and exclusive role" based on your gonads and find something that only YOU can do..

[gpvillamil]

There is probably nothing now that only men can do.

We can pee standing up.

Any other men out there feeling inadequate, or is it just Alcazar? :P

http://www.restrooms.org/standing.html

Yet another bastion of male uniqueness bites the dust.

[Alcazar]

Any other men out there feeling inadequate, or is it just Alcazar? :P

No ramchop, I'm not from NZ........

That's not fair! Our PM is more of a man than yours is.

Yes, New Zealand's PM, 'Uncle' Helen Clark is pretty fearsome! (Pictured in red).




And GG please! So predictable!! Trying to turn the debate around on me and simultaneously attempting to play the 'victimised feminist' viewpoint. Can't you debate something without taking it so personally? Just separate the issue at hand from yourself-I can.

I'm living a pretty good life as a young man with prospects and contacts-but I certainly worry about what is happening to men in general, especially the young guys only a few kilometres away who have much less than me, and minimal prospects of employment.

based on your gonads and find something that only YOU can do..

Fine, I'll break out the bukkake pics.......

[ramchop]

I certainly worry about what is happening to men in general, especially the young guys only a few kilometres away who have much less than me, and minimal prospects of employment.

What about the other half to that equation? The young girls only a few kilometres away who have much less than me, and minimal prospects of employment.

How are they better off? Or is there a surplus of employed men to act as their sugar daddies?

[Alcazar]

What about the other half to that equation? The young girls only a few kilometres away who have much less than me, and minimal prospects of employment.

I still want women to have jobs.

However, women (especially young women) in Australia have a better chance of finding employment than men do. In fact, there are now slightly more women in the workforce than men. The majority of low-skill jobs for men are gone, but there are plenty of low-skill jobs for women-girls are favoured for jobs in the massive employment sector of retail for example.

Plus, women comprise 65-70% of students at university today in Australia-it is similar in places like NZ, the UK and the US. Besides, young men are much more likely to move towards crime, suicide, substance abuse and general anti-social behaviour than a young, temporarily unemployed young woman. I don't see gangs of young women fighting the police on TV-it's young men.

[ramchop]

However, women (especially young women) in Australia have a better chance of finding employment than men do. In fact, there are now slightly more women in the workforce than men.

This is getting way off topic (off Japan anyway)

UNEMPLOYMENT RATE
increased marginally to 5.7%. The male unemployment rate increased by 0.1 percentage point to 5.4% and the female rate remained at 6.1%.

[GomiGirl]

And GG please! So predictable!!

Actually I was thinking the same thing about you.

Fine, I'll break out the bukkake pics.......

niiiice guy!! clearly defining yourself by your gonads again.. (jokes!!! - don't get your knickers in a twist despite you were obviously baiting me again)

However, women (especially young women) in Australia have a better chance of finding employment than men do. In fact, there are now slightly more women in the workforce than men. The majority of low-skill jobs for men are gone, but there are plenty of low-skill jobs for women-girls are favoured for jobs in the massive employment sector of retail for example.

Plus, women comprise 65-70% of students at university today in Australia-it is similar in places like NZ, the UK and the US. Besides, young men are much more likely to move towards crime, suicide, substance abuse and general anti-social behaviour than a young, temporarily unemployed young woman. I don't see gangs of young women fighting the police on TV-it's young men.

This didn't happen overnight.. we all didn't wake up one day and BOOM women were getting educated and having better job prospects. While women and minorities have been fighting hard to be able to achieve this for themselves, some people have been in denial or asleep.

Exactly why I think that guys need to get it together and redefine their place in modern society for themselves and by themselves - this is why I brought up the blue stocking-ers - they felt they were being oppressed and undervalued as people and so got themselves organised and changed things.

I honestly think that guys (especially white guys from western cultures) get a rough deal as they are taught to expect one thing but the world is different and it is a rude shock in many cases. It is impossible to just sit back and scratch your head and feel sorry for the way things are, and longing for a time when men had a defined role.

Hey listen, I am not one to burn a bra or have hairy armpits or other such extremes. I am grateful for the work that has been done by the bra burners, but there is an awful lot of un-neccessary man hating, ball-breakers as well.

[cstaylor]

CS do you really think it is the "easy life"? I beg to differ.

Sorry but staying at home taking care of a house and a brood of screaming kids sounds a heap more difficult, lonely and monotonous than working 100 hours a week where I can see the results of my labour and am appreciated for the effort that is put in.

Sorry, I shouldn't have used the little French I remember from grade school. Sans in French means "without".

There are studies that even when both parents are working, it is still the females who end up doing more work around the house. I think the value of housework is completely unappreciated by most people. As I mentioned, I couldn't do it... I hate housework and don't feel that it should be expected. Sure it needs to be done, but not by me.

Yeah, I can understand that. Rie and I both work, but I probably only pull 40% of the load at best.

[AssKissinger]

GomiGirl wrote:
CS do you really think it is the "easy life"? I beg to differ.

Sorry but staying at home taking care of a house and a brood of screaming kids sounds a heap more difficult, lonely and monotonous than working 100 hours a week where I can see the results of my labour and am appreciated for the effort that is put in.

I appreciate the work my mother did for me a million times more than any fucking corporation appreciates people put who (insanely) put in 100 hours a week.

Hanasisms, thanks for the kind words, soul brother.

Let me say this, people who put work in front of their families are so sadly misguided. It's heartbreaking really that anyone could think even for a second that working any paid vocation could possibly rival motherhood in terms of self-fulfillment. Shit, I think the brainwashing is bad in North Korea until I hear that crap. I want to give all of you a serious warning if you work over 50 hours a week and think you actually enjoy your job: You have been brainwashed to worship capitalist productivity. Break free. Smoke a joint, put on some Coltrane, take a hot bath and re-evaluate your priorities because you have convinced yourself of a sad lie and you need a big dose of self-liberation. Peace.

[GomiGirl]

Let me say this, people who put work in front of their families are so sadly misguided.

I work with my family. I don't have children and maybe I never will - I dunno, it is just not something that interests me at the moment.

But what may be fine for me, is certainly not right for others and nor would I suggest that others choose the path that I have unless it works for them. But the important fact is that I been able to make choices based on what suits me, my temperment, my talents and my dreams. I have made my choices and now I am living the results. If I was not happy with my life then I have only myself to blame. Fortunately, I am a very happy little girl.

It is sad when choices are not available to individuals based on their gender, age, race or religion. Everybody should be able to follow their dream. If yours is to smoke weed and chill out as often as possible with your friends and family - more power to you. I support your decisions..

What shouldn't happen is people to be judged and criticised for not fitting into somebody else's opinion of what is the correct lifestyle. So are we judging the Japanese girls who do not want to work? Or are they just making a choice based on a number of possibles? Or do they see it as their only choice?

A one sized fits all lifestyle is fairly limiting.

I have no real point here.. just musing.

[AssKissinger]

I work with my family.

That says it all right there. We disagree a bit from time to time Gomi, but we got one thing in common I've noticed, family seems to be number one for both of us. You're so lucky to have your family from Oz out here with you. If I could work with my family going in on Sunday just might be doable. I'm all for choices, too, by the way. But sometimes I think the choices people make are a result of being seriously misguided.

[cstaylor]

So are we judging the Japanese girls who do not want to work? Or are they just making a choice based on a number of possibles? Or do they see it as their only choice?

It's hard for me to see it from that point of view, because I've never really been limited in that way (white male). If the wife wants to start a family, I can understand not working (what's the point? unless she's pulling a healthy 5 figure salary, the day care costs gobble it all up), but not if she's going to stay at home and do nothing.

Japan, Inc. needs to change its view towards overtime (especially unpaid overtime), so fathers don't become strangers to the family.

[AssKissinger]

white male

You mean that's not you in the avatar?

[cstaylor]

Nope, not me. I look closer to my previous avatar (Professor Frick from the Simpsons), but I really enjoyed the recent holiday film, "Bad Santa", so I thought I'd change my avatar accordingly.

If we're supposed to look like our avatars, I think NeoNecro's recent change is probably the scariest.

[American Oyaji]

meh, straight from a friend of mine who graduates in 15 days..

Can we get a translation for those without J-software. (im not using my Mac right now)

[Caustic Saint]

[cstaylor]

Man, lovely language, isn't it? Subjects? What are those?

[GomiGirl]

Japan, Inc. needs to change its view towards overtime (especially unpaid overtime), so fathers don't become strangers to the family.

Absolutely.. also the practice of transferring workers to different cities and not making allowances for the transfer of dependants and spouses.

But this sort of radical change will not happen top down, rather from bottom up. But I fear the individuals affected will not have to courage to negotiate their working terms and conditions. With a stronger economy it will be easier perhaps...

[devicenull]

[Caustic Saint]

Sherlock says:

you are banned from complaining about engrish EVER again.

No, I'm not. Sherlock is a Mac app that has a translation function built-in.

I didn't claim to have translated it myself, or vouch for the accuracy of said translation.

[groovewonder]

[quote="AssKissinger"]Maybe they don't want to work because work sucks. It sucks having to wake up in the morning. It sucks seeing the same people everyday. It sucks having a boss. It sucks having to do things you don't feel like doing. Only an idiot would choose to work if there was some way around it. I'm sure most of you like to pretend your jobs are fulfilling and you there's a sense of satisfaction and achievement associated with a hard day's work or some other similar crap. And go on telling yourselves that bullshit if it makes you feel better about your enslavement. But spare me this work provides a sense a purpose crap. These women have no purpose because they don't want to work? Ha! It's people who spend most of their time doing and thinking about their jobs that have no purpose. These women have a very sane purpose]
My god! Excellent post!

[devicenull]

Sherlock says:

you are banned from complaining about engrish EVER again.

No, I'm not. Sherlock is a Mac app that has a translation function built-in.

I didn't claim to have translated it myself, or vouch for the accuracy of said translation.

b& for using a mac

[Caustic Saint]

Sherlock says:

you are banned from complaining about engrish EVER again.

No, I'm not. Sherlock is a Mac app that has a translation function built-in.

I didn't claim to have translated it myself, or vouch for the accuracy of said translation.

b& for using a mac

In your dreams, goatroper.

[AssKissinger]

don't start that retarded box shit again

[Caustic Saint]

don't start that retarded box shit again

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