matsuki wrote:...and yet I know waaaay too many people who's baba/jiji parents refuse to use AC
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matsuki wrote:...and yet I know waaaay too many people who's baba/jiji parents refuse to use AC
legion wrote:Came along the Chuo in my little kei wagon this afternoon, the aircon was struggling to keep the box from turning into an oven while managing to make the engine struggle on the long climbs.
Next time I travel distance in mid summer I'm renting a car with a bigger engine. Vamos-chan is a trooper but I don't want to break her.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:matsuki wrote:...and yet I know waaaay too many people who's baba/jiji parents refuse to use AC
The irony is they think AC is what will kill them. Of course some of them are just too poor to run up their electric bills.
Coligny wrote:legion wrote:Came along the Chuo in my little kei wagon this afternoon, the aircon was struggling to keep the box from turning into an oven while managing to make the engine struggle on the long climbs.
Next time I travel distance in mid summer I'm renting a car with a bigger engine. Vamos-chan is a trooper but I don't want to break her.
Have the aircon coolant replaced /topped the HFC134a seems to enjoy seeping out ruining the efficiency of the clinate control system.
matsuki wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:matsuki wrote:...and yet I know waaaay too many people who's baba/jiji parents refuse to use AC
The irony is they think AC is what will kill them. Of course some of them are just too poor to run up their electric bills.
THIS!
They go on and on about how it's bad for your health. If they're too poor, that's one thing...but most of the time it's either too cheap or insane
Even while sitting quietly at a desk, the human body is working to keep everything running smoothly — the brain churning, blood flowing and vital organs at a cozy 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit. It has to work harder if the temperature isn't quite right.
"Basically if you are sitting in an office and the temperature is neutral, then your body is able to completely control or maintain core temperature only by changing skin blood flow," says Kingma.
If the temperature is just a little too cold, the body starts making tweaks to preserve heat. Vessels will keep blood closer to the body's core, leaving hands, feet and nose cold and pale. The person might feel the urge to grab a sweater or boil up some tea.
In general, women feel colder than men do at the same air temperature. They prefer rooms at 77 degrees Fahrenheit, while men prefer 72. Body size and fat-to-muscle ratios are largely to blame for that discrepancy.
"Fat cells produce less heat than muscle cells," explains Kingma, which is why women's higher fat-to-muscle ratio can make a difference. Plus women tend to be smaller than men, so "in general, women have a lower resting metabolic rate than males."
Wage Slave wrote:Not black magic but not very good science either. For one thing that graph is missing the origin and 80% of it's scale - A very old trick but a good one. And one allows huge exaggeration of a small variation.
Secondly it comes from a single study done at a single company in Finland. Finland has a near arctic climate - Generalising from Finnish workers accustomed to a near arctic climate to Japanese workers is a nonsense.
Wage Slave wrote:Not black magic but not very good science either. For one thing that graph is missing the origin and 80% of it's scale - A very old trick but a good one. And one allows huge exaggeration of a small variation.
Secondly it comes from a single study done at a single company in Finland. Finland has a near arctic climate - Generalising from Finnish workers accustomed to a near arctic climate to Japanese workers is a nonsense.
Wage Slave wrote:And it shows the difference between 28 degrees and , say 24, is small. Maybe a few percent. Factor in some fans to keep the air moving and appropriate clothing (Cool Biz if you like), and a population used to a Mediterranean climate and its reasonable to knock a bit off that.
On the other hand, a reasonable estimate of cost is that the extra energy required to lower the temperature by one degree is 10%. So to reduce the temperature from 28 degrees to 24% will cost 40% more.
By all means you can say you think 28 degrees is unbearable for your balls and it has to be reduced in spite of the cost. However, you can't claim that it saves money - It costs quite a lot and the benefit in increased productivity is not shown to be very significant.
Above 28 degrees is another story.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:All I give a fuck about is my comfort
Wage Slave wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:All I give a fuck about is my comfort
Which is perfectly reasonable. However, you are not the bill payer at work. Shareholders, owners and taxpayers take a view that all they give a fuck about is maximising profit and/or efficiency.
Wage Slave wrote:I'd need to see the studies.
As a taxpayer are you happy to spend 40% more to cool government offices in exchange for the increased comfort and marginal productivity of public workers?
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Wage Slave wrote:I'd need to see the studies.
As a taxpayer are you happy to spend 40% more to cool government offices in exchange for the increased comfort and marginal productivity of public workers?
No. I think we should pay them all minimum wage and not give them pensions or healthcare. As a matter of fact we should use conscripts who can't quit till they've done 10 years of service. That would save us lots of money.
Wage Slave wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:Wage Slave wrote:I'd need to see the studies.
As a taxpayer are you happy to spend 40% more to cool government offices in exchange for the increased comfort and marginal productivity of public workers?
No. I think we should pay them all minimum wage and not give them pensions or healthcare. As a matter of fact we should use conscripts who can't quit till they've done 10 years of service. That would save us lots of money.
indeed. An office working temperature of 28 degrees is not unreasonable. A lot of workers would take it in a flash.
Wage Slave wrote:And it shows the difference between 28 degrees and , say 24, is small. Maybe a few percent. Factor in some fans to keep the air moving and appropriate clothing (Cool Biz if you like), and a population used to a Mediterranean climate and its reasonable to knock a bit off that.
On the other hand, a reasonable estimate of cost is that the extra energy required to lower the temperature by one degree is 10%. So to reduce the temperature from 28 degrees to 24% will cost 40% more.
By all means you can say you think 28 degrees is unbearable for your balls and it has to be reduced in spite of the cost. However, you can't claim that it saves money - It costs quite a lot and the benefit in increased productivity is not shown to be very significant.
Above 28 degrees is another story.
Samurai_Jerk wrote:We all know that the real problem is shitty building design but that can't be changed overnight.
matsuki wrote:Samurai_Jerk wrote:We all know that the real problem is shitty building design but that can't be changed overnight.
THIS
I still can't believe how many locals think insulation is only for keeping heat in....
Wage Slave wrote:And it shows the difference between 28 degrees and , say 24, is small. Maybe a few percent. Factor in some fans to keep the air moving and appropriate clothing (Cool Biz if you like), and a population used to a Mediterranean climate and its reasonable to knock a bit off that.
On the other hand, a reasonable estimate of cost is that the extra energy required to lower the temperature by one degree is 10%. So to reduce the temperature from 28 degrees to 24% will cost 40% more.
By all means you can say you think 28 degrees is unbearable for your balls and it has to be reduced in spite of the cost. However, you can't claim that it saves money - It costs quite a lot and the benefit in increased productivity is not shown to be very significant.
Above 28 degrees is another story.
Wage Slave wrote:I suspect the vast majority of Japanese people agree with that view and I don't hear many complaints that's for sure.
If offices are not really being cooled to 28 degrees and there isn't sufficient air circulation then that office is not compliant with Cool Biz. The answer to that is to ensure the cooling system is upgraded and/or fans are deployed to move the air. It doesn't prove the policy is wrong.
Wage Slave wrote:If offices are not really being cooled to 28 degrees and there isn't sufficient air circulation then that office is not compliant with Cool Biz. The answer to that is to ensure the cooling system is upgraded and/or fans are deployed to move the air. It doesn't prove the policy is wrong.
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