Fuck gaman...

[Coligny]

And then god created Judas (door edition (tm) )

[Coligny]

what chokon said - hyped up perceived value for middling quality unless you are like coligny and married to a hella rich family

Hope you'ze not picturing this:



Because it's closer to plentytimes this:



Without the poodle but with moar cats...

[Coligny]

[quote="james"]sorry man, but i've been damn near pissing myself laughing for the last 10 minutes or so.. i'm just imagining this poor french guy at the pc.. "euh? lemon party, c'est quoi ç]

Moar like...

[Jack]

Commercial
Shower sliding doors are also disappearing in up-scale North American homes and doorless walk-in showers (see) are becoming mainstream.
Of course, Japan is still stuck in the stone-age for all these things.

Fuck you are beyond full of shit. Doorless walk-in showers is becoming mainstream? Are you fucking smoking some green stuff? All my friends and family who are mostly upscale to the hilt, and hotels that we go to including the newer Four Seasons properties, and I have yet to come across a doorless shower in North America. From where do you invent your shit man?

Wow, but I think it does come down to an issue of space as well....the shoe box sized homes here are too small to do away with sliding doors.

Again, I don't know where the fuck you guys live, but our house in Suginami has sliding doors only on the patio. All our neighbours have sliding doors only to the backyard (gardens).

The flooring in our house is beautiful hardwood that I don't believe I can find in Canada. The lumber used in our house is J-grade lumber, the best quality in the market.

My place in California is of OK quality because we used different materials than in Canada but in Canada my $2 million house is shit in quality compared with Japan even though it is about 3 times the size.

If you are comparing shithole apartments in Queens or The Bronx with six tatami room places in Tokyo, the ones in Tokyo are better quality. But if you are comparing the six tatami rentals in Tokyo to a beach house in Santa Barbara then you're fucked. I have a house in Tokyo, Toronto and California. I have had two of those houses built myself, so I know what quality is. Japan wins the quality war every single time in every category you can imagine, not just housing. Meat, fish, coffee, porcelaine, fruits, clothing, you name it.

Holly fuck, who am I arguing with? Some two-bit English teachers in Japan? What the fuck do they know?

Jackson boy, as someone who has built new two separate homes, a couple of apartment buildings, to include one apartment complex, I think I can comment on the quality of building. The current price value of a house expires at ten years, with the only remaining value being the land. That should give you a bit of a hint at the quality and longivity. Two of the houses I built were my personal residences. The second one because the first was falling apart after a reasonably short period of time. Both incidents required being present at the site almost daily to insure that there was any essence of quality control. Numerous meetings were also required with the builders to explain why such things as insulation was desired and even why it was needed (and this was with a fairly reputable construction company). Much more fun was had beating heads with them.

However, as frustrating as these experiences were, it does in a nut shell tell me that you haven't the foggiest fucking idea about construction, or the building industry in Japan. If you are not already back in Canada, I recommend you go back over to JTB or where ever it is you go and get some more of those worthless brochures on the wonders of Japanese architecture and the beauty of Kyoto, so you can keep getting a stiffy that will enable you to continue your exciting wet dream.

It is only obvious to those of us who live here and deal with the industry first hand, that it is you that don't know shit....

Good, you have more experience than I do in Japan. There's no argument there. However, had you built those properties in North America do you think it would have been any better? I am saying no. I am saying that if you take two experiences in both countries you will see that in Japan, by comparison, it is better. The reason I took charge for building my two places in North CAmerica is because I don't trust the contractors. You think that only in Japan you have to watch over their shoulders? You have to watch twice as hard in here.

The fact that homes are insulated in Canada does not mean they are of better quality. They are just built differently with inferior grade lumber. I know, I bought the fucking lumber. The distributor told me point blank that all the good grade lumber goes to Japan which is why I can't find any here.

We still use hot water tanks here. The tankless water heaters are only now becoming available. The Japanese airconditioning systems are all the rage in North America. Even Japanese appliances like Toshiba brand refrigirators are making inroads because they are more efficient.

It's your right to point out what you experience in Japan but my point is that the same experience, on an apples to apples basis, is worst in North America.

[Yokohammer]

... My place in California is of OK quality because we used different materials than in Canada but in Canada my $2 million house is shit in quality compared with Japan even though it is about 3 times the size.
...

Holly fuck, who am I arguing with? Some two-bit English teachers in Japan? What the fuck do they know?

You might have several multi-million dollar properties around the world (or not), Jack, but that doesn't give you the right to be an arrogant prick.

[wuchan]

The Japanese airconditioning systems are all the rage in North America.

yep, delusional.

[Coligny]

yep, delusional.

Or a fucking imbecile... (more likely)...

I was blown away by the home appliance section from any remote shithole supermarket in Korea... All washing masheen warm the water... the aircon have digital display on the unit, are available in multiple colors and have function you could not even dream of in Japan... Morning Clock aircon !!! OMG WTF BBQ... who would have thought aboot this...

[maraboutslim]

It's not fair to compare houses in, say, the USA with those in Japan if you're talking about the same price point. Of course the Japanese house will be of lower quality in order to come in at the same price point.

If I were to build a quality custom house here near San Francisco, California, I'd be looking at at least $500 per sq. ft. to get anything of decent quality. I'd assume it'd be at least 1.5 times the cost in Japan, if not twice. Is this the level of spending you guys are talking about? Or are you talking about the quality of the pre-fab style housing units seen everywhere?

BTW, to build a traditional wood Japanese style house in the San Francisco area, East Wind Inc (http://www.eastwindinc.com) quotes costs of:

GOOD cost range: $350 TO $450 per sq. ft.
BETTER cost range: $450 to $650 per sq. ft.
BEST cost range: $650 to $1500 per sq. ft.

Have fun with that!

[Catoneinutica]

BEST cost range: $650 to $1500 per sq. ft.

Have fun with that!

<snort> At that price it better come with siding made of antique tansu and a roof made of Edo-era satsuma porcelain. What a bloody joke. $200 per sq. ft. stick built is quite doable on the West Coast.

[james]

Or a fucking imbecile... (more likely)...

yep, delusional.

well, as he's so unequivocally demonstrated, these conditions need not be mutually exclusive.

[Ganma]

My place in California is of OK quality because we used different materials than in Canada but in Canada my $2 million house is shit in quality compared with Japan even though it is about 3 times the size.

Holly fuck, who am I arguing with? Some two-bit English teachers in Japan? What the fuck do they know?

You're a millionaire and you spend your time hanging around internet forums? That's pretty sad. Either that or you're just a troll.

[Taro Toporific]

<snort>...What a bloody joke. $200 per sq. ft. stick built is quite doable on the West Coast.

<snort><snort>...D.I.Y. 1,100sq/ft ranch built for a $85 per sq. ft. built on an in-fill lot in an upper-middle class Denver neighborhood with everything done right (R-14 walls, R-22 roof, on-demand hot water, low-water landscaping, passive solar considerations, etc.). Sheesh.

[Catoneinutica]

<snort><snort>...D.I.Y. 1,100sq/ft ranch built for a $85 per sq. ft. built on an in-fill lot in an upper-middle class Denver neighborhood with everything done right (R-14 walls, R-22 roof, on-demand hot water, low-water landscaping, passive solar considerations, etc.). Sheesh.

$85/sq ft - that's more like it!

-catone
-for $650-1500/sq ft Taro could help you build a home out of moon rocks.

[Coligny]

<snort><snort>...D.I.Y. 1,100sq/ft ranch built for a $85 per sq. ft. built on an in-fill lot in an upper-middle class Denver neighborhood with everything done right (R-14 walls, R-22 roof, on-demand hot water, low-water landscaping, passive solar considerations, etc.). Sheesh.

What ?! no dungeon ?

you sux dood...

[matsuki]

Again, I don't know where the fuck you guys live, but our house in Suginami has sliding doors only on the patio. All our neighbours have sliding doors only to the backyard (gardens).

And other than my balcony doors and bedroom door, all the doors in my place are western doors but you totally missed my point, lack of space and poor designs lead to shuffling doors open and closed just to get and/or making it difficult to utilize the room when you have a door that swings into it.[/QUOTE]

The flooring in our house is beautiful hardwood that I don't believe I can find in Canada. The lumber used in our house is J-grade lumber, the best quality in the market.

Lumber that you can't find in Canada...LOL

My place in California is of OK quality because we used different materials than in Canada but in Canada my $2 million house is shit in quality compared with Japan even though it is about 3 times the size.

$2million in Canada and only 3 times the size of a Japanese house? Must be Taiwanese Dollars...

If you are comparing shithole apartments in Queens or The Bronx with six tatami room places in Tokyo, the ones in Tokyo are better quality. But if you are comparing the six tatami rentals in Tokyo to a beach house in Santa Barbara then you're fucked. I have a house in Tokyo, Toronto and California. I have had two of those houses built myself, so I know what quality is. Japan wins the quality war every single time in every category you can imagine, not just housing. Meat, fish, coffee, porcelaine, fruits, clothing, you name it.

Bwahahhaa, the wa is strong with this one. Keep drinking that green tea kool-aid.

Holly fuck, who am I arguing with? Some two-bit English teachers in Japan? What the fuck do they know?

LOL, and what is it that you do Jack? Can't be too great if you need to rag on English teachers to make yourself feel better...that is if you're not one yourself.

The fact that homes are insulated in Canada does not mean they are of better quality. They are just built differently with inferior grade lumber. I know, I bought the fucking lumber. The distributor told me point blank that all the good grade lumber goes to Japan which is why I can't find any here.

LOL, can't find any good lumber in Canada...now I have heard it all!

We still use hot water tanks here. The tankless water heaters are only now becoming available. The Japanese airconditioning systems are all the rage in North America. Even Japanese appliances like Toshiba brand refrigirators are making inroads because they are more efficient.

Tankless water heaters have been around for awhile. My parents have had a Noritsu in their place in LA for years. Japanese AC?? Bwahahaha Appliances? LOL Unless your version of reality considers Korea part of the Japanese empire, last I checked, Samsung and LG weren't Japanese...

[zero_oki]

Central Air > Individual AC units

[Coligny]

Central Air > Individual AC units

Unless you are on the billing side...

[wuchan]

Unless you are on the billing side...

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[Greji]

Good, you have more experience than I do in Japan. There's no argument there. However, had you built those properties in North America do you think it would have been any better? I am saying no.

I have built in the US, if you consider that North America and the answer is yes.

[Mock Cockpit]

I thought there was a great thread about building a house already but if in doubt what Wuchan said is pretty spot on. Spend time getting it how you want. It is worth it. Get an upstairs shithouse as well.

[matsuki]

Unless you are on the billing side...

Not if you have decent insulation

[Jack]

<snort><snort>...D.I.Y. 1,100sq/ft ranch built for a $85 per sq. ft. built on an in-fill lot in an upper-middle class Denver neighborhood with everything done right (R-14 walls, R-22 roof, on-demand hot water, low-water landscaping, passive solar considerations, etc.). Sheesh.

Your shitting me right? You can't build anything of quality for $85/sq ft. I don't care what it is. Yes, you can build it, but nothing of good quality. The minimum construction price for a quality home in North America would be closer to $200 a square foot and if you go with all the high end trimmings it's north of $300. At $85 you built a shithole.

[maraboutslim]

That's $93k to build an 1,1100 sq. ft. house? Around here that wouldn't even cover the general contractor's cut. And I'm pretty sure Jack is talking about the kind of houses in which the materials alone will cost more than that $93k.

[wuchan]

Something just popped into my little brain!


One thing I forgot to include in my earlier post about getting a house built in japan is the windowsill battle. This one nearly made us walk away and this was at the 50% build mark. Long story short, I grew up around construction and began drafting training at 12 years old. By the end of high school I had redrawn, by fucking hand, the complete plan for my high school because there were never complete plans with all the editions drawn and my teacher ran out of projects for me to do. Anyway, I noticed in the plans that the windowsills had some strange product code. In a western house the windowsill should be the same wood as the floor or some other kind of hardwood. When I confronted the "architect" he led me to a corner of the show room and said "this is what we are going to use". It was FUCKING PARTICLEBOARD!!!!!!! Any idiot, let along an "architect", knows that particleboard + water = shit falling apart. I calmly asked him "what happens if we leave the windows open?... The answer? "japanese people don't leave their windows open". I nearly bitch slapped the guy. He tried to offer other shitty particleboard based solutions and then I spotted a windowsill in the showroom made from UHMWPE (hard plastic) that kind of looked like marble. We said "this or we walk away". The "architect" did not like this and said that it would be expensive. We gave him 72 hours. 24 hours later he came to our place with gifts and said that the company was willing to use rubber wood, same material as the stairs, for no extra cost.

Bottom line is if you back the sales cunts into a corner, the company will bend to prevent a breach of contract.

[Jack]

And other than my balcony doors and bedroom door, all the doors in my place are western doors but you totally missed my point, lack of space and poor designs lead to shuffling doors open and closed just to get and/or making it difficult to utilize the room when you have a door that swings into it.

Lumber that you can't find in Canada...LOL



$2million in Canada and only 3 times the size of a Japanese house? Must be Taiwanese Dollars...



Bwahahhaa, the wa is strong with this one. Keep drinking that green tea kool-aid.



LOL, and what is it that you do Jack? Can't be too great if you need to rag on English teachers to make yourself feel better...that is if you're not one yourself.



LOL, can't find any good lumber in Canada...now I have heard it all!



Tankless water heaters have been around for awhile. My parents have had a Noritsu in their place in LA for years. Japanese AC?? Bwahahaha Appliances? LOL Unless your version of reality considers Korea part of the Japanese empire, last I checked, Samsung and LG weren't Japanese...[/QUOTE]

For sure, Canada is a lumber country but here we use lumber as the skelleton and almost no raw lumber is exposed in the house. It's either used for framing in which case it's hidden behind the drywall, and the roof. Wood is either stained, painted or covered by drywall. Our place in Japan has a lot of wood exposed so unless it is damn straight and with no blemish the place would look like shit. So for that reason, better quality lumber is required in Japan but not in Canada.

As for my $2 million house in Canada being 3 times the size of our place in Tokyo, what's your point? I don't get it. Our place in Tokyo is relatively big and to be honest I have no idea what it costs because it's our inlaws that built it for my wife (us). I just live there and it is a beautiful place with 5 bedrooms. I just assume that the land alone is probably more than my house in Canada.

Tankless water heaters have been around a loong time and it's the norm in Japan, Europe and other countries. But the cunts in Canada still use water tanks. It is only now becoming mainstream.

For the rest of your comments, you can do as americans say, get stuff where the sun don't sine.

Cheerios.

[Mock Cockpit]

Bottom line is if you back the sales cunts into a corner, the company will bend to prevent a breach of contract.

They will pretend that it's a mistake or something they hadn't accounted for but it's always something that ends up in their favour. If you pin the pricks down at every detail, without fail, then you can come out ahead but they will try to fuck you until all their tricks are gone. Outwait them. You'll win, once you're in there, they'll give in because they don't want to lose that sale. And back to the original post. Gaman.

[wuchan]

And back to the original post. Gaman.

that's my point. A normal local type would have just bent over and taken it.

[matsuki]

For sure, Canada is a lumber country but here we use lumber as the skelleton and almost no raw lumber is exposed in the house. It's either used for framing in which case it's hidden behind the drywall, and the roof. Wood is either stained, painted or covered by drywall. Our place in Japan has a lot of wood exposed so unless it is damn straight and with no blemish the place would look like shit. So for that reason, better quality lumber is required in Japan but not in Canada.

LOL, no shit the wood is exposed here, there is no insulation. Your "quality" argument is only about "blemishes" in the wood. I'm sure you can find blemish free wood in Canada, and for alot less than what it sells for in Japan...don't try to write off your lack of initiative/effort by just saying "it's impossible."

I don't get it.

...and you never will, you never will

Tankless water heaters have been around a loong time and it's the norm in Japan, Europe and other countries. But the cunts in Canada still use water tanks. It is only now becoming mainstream.

Translation: "I never knew tank-less water heaters were available in Canada until recently so they must have just now become mainstream."

Once again, don't write your own ignorance off as evidence. You said the same about the walk in showers and I've seen those popping up everywhere in Cali.

For the rest of your comments, you can do as americans say, get stuff where the sun don't sine.

I'm American and as much as I'd love to stick my boot up your ass, your head is already quite in there good. Rather just sit back and watch the show.

Cheerios.

Another case of Jack ignorance, Honey Nut Cheerios bitch!

[IparryU]

Lmfao

i miss honey nut cheerios!

[james]

LOL, and what is it that you do Jack?

Our place in Tokyo is relatively big and to be honest I have no idea what it costs because it's our inlaws that built it for my wife (us).

and there we have it folks: professional gold-digger.

easy to mouth off about quality you're not the one paying for it. so which is it jack? you know what stuff costs / should cost or "to be honest [you] have no idea because daddy-in-law pays for it all"?