Japanese traffic signals and other driving fun

[Coligny]

Put toto/inax stickers on the hood and doors. Drive with a matching toto/inax cap.
Get arrested for impersonashiun of shitter repair crew...

[Yokohammer]

Put toto/inax stickers on the hood and doors. Drive with a matching toto/inax cap.
Get arrested for impersonashiun of shitter repair crew...

Sometimes you are just brilliant.


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[Taro Toporific]

...I hardly ever drive in Tokyo, so I haven't seen this. Any other FG brethren had similar {driving-while-gaijin} experiences?

Last spring I was pulled over for driving-while-gaijin at a dangerous railroad crossing in Ota-ku Tokyo for no reason and given the anal probe for 45 minutes without being issued a ticket, warning, or any reason. Very strange.

Previously, I haven't been pulled over for driving-while-gaijin for 25 years. My previous driving-while-gaijin police stop was sort of "reasonable" since I was driving Nissan President with an overload trunk (full of surplus servers and routers) with my very Muslim looking buddy near the Imperial Palace during a state visit of some Israel official.

I'm wondering if Matsuki's mildly "swarthy" appearance is part of the problem, and if a blond, blue-eyed Ayrian type (yes, I know, don't bother) would get the same treatment.

I'm about as blond-eyed, blue-haired Ayrian as a person can get (with plenty of dead WWII Nazi relatives).

[matsuki]

Taro - During the day? Night?

[Taro Toporific]

Taro - During the day? Night?

Both times I was pulled over for driving-while-gaijin in the middle of day. The most recent time, I ended up chewing out the cop for creating a dangerous traffic situation by pulling me over at a railroad crossing.

(SlIghtly off topic, I have never been fully stopped for walking-while-gaijin in the past 30 years, but several times I had to tell the Japanese police that, you-don't-need-to-see-identification: The Force can have a strong influence on the weak minded. )

[kurogane]

　　　 The Force can have a strong influence on the weak minded. )

I am a huge fan of the judicious and even gratuitous use of The Force, but is that actually true about ID? This is a rehash, but most every time I hear a conclusive argument that it be so I usually get a huge whiff of blowhard barber shoppe lawyer/SJW prig, or a full perma-Newbie/FOB stench (a la Debuto). I always show it because it's just easier; or it would have been the other night/morning.............if I had it on me The officer wasn't very pleased but he was very polite and reasonable, especially considering his options (as a tourist I must carry my passport).

[Taro Toporific]

　　　 The Force can have a strong influence on the weak minded. )

I am a huge fan of the judicious and even gratuitous use of The Force, but is that actually true about ID? This is a rehash, but most every time I hear a conclusive argument that it be so I usually get a huge whiff of blowhard barber shoppe lawyer/SJW prig, or a full perma-Newbie/FOB stench (a la Debuto). I always show it because it's just easier...

On the streets of Roppongi, Muboyne and I just wave off the cops---The Force is strong.
Sometimes I might mutter kekodesu or daijoubu, and then push on through.

One time in past 30 years near the trains in the sub-basement of Narita, the cops successfully stopped me and I gave them my ID---There's no reason to make a big Debuto stink about it.

[kurogane]

Yes, I see The Force within you is strong. I like the wave off programme, I just can't quite get the point of being all DebiDebi about something so trivial.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Yes, I see The Force within you is strong. I like the wave off programme, I just can't quite get the point of being all DebiDebi about something so trivial.

Yes searching people without probable cause because they look different is so trivial.

[dimwit]

Hey it works so well in the States

[kurogane]

Yes, I see The Force within you is strong. I like the wave off programme, I just can't quite get the point of being all DebiDebi about something so trivial.

Yes searching people without probable cause because they look different is so trivial.

I don't disagree with what you are saying, but yeah, most of the time, it is. Trivial I mean.
POLICE: DO you have ID?
ME: Yes, here it is
POLICE: Thank you sir, and goodnight

In civilised countries high falutin' principles are usually for children and debate clubs, after all. I also think quite strongly and certainly that FG do have a duty to produce ID when asked, allowing that there is a grey zone about what constitutes reasonable cause. I know for a fact Japanese do not, but we aren't Japanese and shiite don't work the same as at home. But so we're clear I am a strong critic of Cdn police carding visible minorities and often make that point to my Negro and Coloured friends and their Canadian compadres.

[matsuki]

Seeing as how I had the vehicle facing the direction the cops came from, I actually caught them in their haste to get over to me on foot...something I didn't notice at the time is they were both walking over with one hand on their guns. Not exactly what you'd expect to see if they're just coming over to see if I'm lost. Anyhow, caught the whole convo, nothing rude was said and I've got better things to do than go all SJW over this shit but if I have a few more of these stops recorded in a short period of time, I think it will be enough juice (and harassment) to make some noise.

As to refusing to cooperate, in my experience, you can make a stand like I have done over BS traffic citations...but you need to have patience and be prepared to wait them out. The last one I had, the fuckers literally boxed my car in and the officers circled me, refusing to let me go unless I signed their ticket. (I didn't but it took 90mins of rolled R's and tough guy BS from them, talking about wasting my time....until they realized I wasn't going to budge and gave up) With these BS stops and searches, I would refuse to be searched if I was on foot but since I'm driving, it's a different scenario if they ask to see your license...and I've got nothing to hide in my vehicle and don't want to spend over an hour, trying to make a point to some bored dipshit beat cops.

[Russell]

I can come up with two reasons why they targeted you.

1. Your car's looks somehow are associated with criminal activity. I suspect they looked for drugs.

2. Your license plate is registered in a secret database of them, due to your previous refusal to cooperate.

And no, it's not your dental characteristics that made you stand out. It would be too dark for that anyway.

[Yokohammer]

...I hardly ever drive in Tokyo, so I haven't seen this. Any other FG brethren had similar {driving-while-gaijin} experiences?

Last spring I was pulled over for driving-while-gaijin at a dangerous railroad crossing in Ota-ku Tokyo for no reason and given the anal probe for 45 minutes without being issued a ticket, warning, or any reason. Very strange.

Previously, I haven't been pulled over for driving-while-gaijin for 25 years. My previous driving-while-gaijin police stop was sort of "reasonable" since I was driving Nissan President with an overload trunk (full of surplus servers and routers) with my very Muslim looking buddy near the Imperial Palace during a state visit of some Israel official.

I'm wondering if Matsuki's mildly "swarthy" appearance is part of the problem, and if a blond, blue-eyed Ayrian type (yes, I know, don't bother) would get the same treatment.

I'm about as blond-eyed, blue-haired Ayrian as a person can get (with plenty of dead WWII Nazi relatives).

I guess that sort of negates Wagyl's age-group theory.

Unless I have completely misread all clues, Taro falls squarely into the "Ye Olde Pharte" category. About the same age as myself, I'm guessing.

The "no reason" thing is a bit troubling. Aren't the police required to give a reason if one is demanded?

[matsuki]

I can come up with two reasons why they targeted you.

1. Your car's looks somehow are associated with criminal activity. I suspect they looked for drugs.

2. Your license plate is registered in a secret database of them, due to your previous refusal to cooperate.

And no, it's not your dental characteristics that made you stand out. It would be too dark for that anyway.

1.) It's a minivan, no blacked out windows or windowless rear. Doubt it's the specific vehicle but yes, looking for both drugs and weapons.

2.) Possible but before we get all tinfoil cap, is that "secret list" actually a thing?

The "no reason" thing is a bit troubling. Aren't the police required to give a reason if one is demanded?

I think that technically they are but like I was saying above, you can make a stand and refuse to cooperate....and they tend to try and detain and pressure you to comply for a ridiculous amount of time until either you or they give in. Basically, from everything I've heard (and Taro's account of walking agrees) if you come across as uncooperative and tell them to get fucked from the get go, providing they don't have any real suspicions, often times they'll drop the whole act.

Not FG, but this dude seems to be able to make the officers that are hassling him more uncomfortable than himself when he is stopped and has all kinds of demands thrown at him:

[matsuki]

[Yokohammer]

That's really quite funny. I don't think I'd bother personally, but kudos to the guy for sending those two BS artists packing. If they would just do their fucking job without all the bullshit it would be much easier to cooperate. But sometimes they just want to exercise their authority, or fill a quota, and that's when the bullshit starts and their "victims" pledge to never, ever cooperate with cops in any circumstances. Cutting off their noses to spite their faces, as it were. Priorities all fucked up.

I do kinda think the guy in the vid should have given them his name, after asking for theirs. First and last. And then when the cop said he could go, say "Good night Taro and Yuji," or whatever their first names were. Maybe add "-kun" for good measure. Can't think of everything though, I guess. Or maybe that's just too disrespectful. Of course there's that thing about respect having to be earned.

Fun vid.


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[Taro Toporific]

I can come up with two reasons why they targeted you.
1. Your car's looks somehow are associated with criminal activity. I suspect they looked for drugs.
2. Your license plate is registered in a secret database of them, due to your previous refusal to cooperate.
And no, it's not your dental characteristics that made you stand out. It would be too dark for that anyway.

1.) It's a minivan, no blacked out windows or windowless rear. Doubt it's the specific vehicle but yes, looking for both drugs and weapons.
2.) Possible but before we get all tinfoil cap, is that "secret list" actually a thing?

You are are their shit-list.

I would be damn sure I had several video drive recorders operating on my vehicle at all times. I would make sure one video recorder was recording what is happening outside the driver's door window. Ideally, at least one of the video recorders is hidden because I bet the Japanese cops would want to impound and suppress any video taken of them.

[Mike Oxlong]

I can come up with two reasons why they targeted you.
1. Your car's looks somehow are associated with criminal activity. I suspect they looked for drugs.
2. Your license plate is registered in a secret database of them, due to your previous refusal to cooperate.
And no, it's not your dental characteristics that made you stand out. It would be too dark for that anyway.

1.) It's a minivan, no blacked out windows or windowless rear. Doubt it's the specific vehicle but yes, looking for both drugs and weapons.
2.) Possible but before we get all tinfoil cap, is that "secret list" actually a thing?

You are are their shit-list.

I would be damn sure I had several video drive recorders operating on my vehicle at all times. I would make sure one video recorder was recording what is happening outside the driver's door window. Ideally, at least one of the video recorders is hidden because I bet the Japanese cops would want to impound and suppress any video taken of them.

I have wondered about this being a strong possibility since the police doubled-down and held CKN for the max allowed 23 days or whatever it was. They just "know" he's a bad egg and sooner or later will trip up and be exposed. How dare he not confess and confirm what they already know. For sure thugs like that keep a shit list. It may not be priority one, but now and then they are gonna shake the tree and see what falls out.

[kurogane]

The "no reason" thing is a bit troubling. Aren't the police required to give a reason if one is demanded?

Fully agreed, but they could probably get away with "We're doing our job", and the general public would buy that, I thinks. Interesting to watch a Japanese do that, but they do have constitutional protection.

[Yokohammer]

The "no reason" thing is a bit troubling. Aren't the police required to give a reason if one is demanded?

Fully agreed, but they could probably get away with "We're doing our job", and the general public would buy that, I thinks. Interesting to watch a Japanese do that, but they do have constitutional protection.

You referring to the video? That's not one of those those darned gaijin types? His Japanese is good, but not quite there in spots. Gaijin logic too.

P.S. I'm talking about the first vid. The second one snuck in while I was looking the other way. Haven't watched the second one yet.
P.P.S The second vid is clearly a Japanese guy.

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[matsuki]

If they would just do their fucking job without all the bullshit it would be much easier to cooperate. But sometimes they just want to exercise their authority, or fill a quota, and that's when the bullshit starts and their "victims" pledge to never, ever cooperate with cops in any circumstances. Cutting off their noses to spite their faces, as it were. Priorities all fucked up.

I was watching this dude's youtube shokushitsu collection: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... Eu-NBnKU6L

and it's pretty obvious they send out officers with this specific "job." (and he is in all the same areas I frequent so this shit is not limited to just FG, but being FG definitely gets you ぽいっすね status)

What I find most disturbing is when him or any of the other vid posters like him refuse the questioning and searches, the response is nearly always the same. Yes, you can refuse our questions/search request, but if we let it end there, there would be no point to said VOLUNTARY questioning/searches (along with a bunch of "shogotodakarane.") Still, most of the guys who keep walking and refusing, and even the guy in the car who drove off, seem to get no real chase. In a few, the victim points out the cops are blocking their way or trying to detain them and the cops move aside and claim they are not. Only in one vid where the cops were really on the guy, thinking he was high or something, did they pursue him until he relented and let them search.....only to find nothing. (So yeah, I think Taro has it right when he says keep walking)

I would be damn sure I had several video drive recorders operating on my vehicle at all times. I would make sure one video recorder was recording what is happening outside the driver's door window. Ideally, at least one of the video recorders is hidden because I bet the Japanese cops would want to impound and suppress any video taken of them.

That's pretty much my reaction. I'm not doing anything illegal and since these are all at night, I don't really have the energy to argue with them...but considering that vids of these incidents are multiplying online, eventually Tokyo cops will become famous for this kind of pointless harassment.

[kurogane]

Even allowing for your inherent sketchiness that sounds like a royal PIA, and even an abuse of authority. Probably nothing to be done but certainly proper sympathy is in order. I seem to be bathed in cop repellent: the same cop that stopped me 3 or 4 days ago stopped me last night at about the same time in exactly the same place and when I duly produced my passport he seemed ready to pee with joy. In principle I don't like that simply being a respectable looking white guy makes me immune but I will take it when offered. And the word on the street is that FG ID checks are way up in the past 3 or so months in the Asserkisser area and a few of the resident Saxons seem rather angry about it.

Yokohammer,
Ummmmmmmmmmmm.........video #2...........I think is what I meant. I'll look again later. I do admire people with that much energy, but I also find that Jpn guys that think and act like that (as in The Gaijin Logic you mentioned) also tend to believe that instant noodles are a food group, that anime and manga matter, that men are persecuted and women's only carriages are an outrage to social justice and the very order of civilisation. They're tiresome, quibbling bores in my experience, and I have lots of that because they're a major demographic at grad schools. They're usually more sad than bad, though they think they're rad, but I find it mad and don't like them a tad as a fellow lad.

[Wage Slave]

The frequency and lack of cause does seem to point to being on some sort of shitlist. Past incidents would support that as well. Perhaps the one over refusing to accept a speeding ticket because another car was going faster and didn't get pulled for it. It was very frustrating for sure but the cops no doubt felt frustrated at having to waste a bunch of time on what was only a routine speeding ticket.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if you were to get rid of that van, buy another one and get it registered to someone else.

[matsuki]

I'm over 170K Km so a vehicle change is in my near future...but I'm not so sure that will change anything. The most recent encounter didn't give em a chance to see/run my plates. Was too quick for that.

I'm not going any deeper down the YT shokushitsu rabbithole but I viewed enough to see it's a pretty major underhanded fishing effort on the part of the police...and it seems to be cranked up recently. Definitely not limited to FG but as visually obvious FG, males (haven't seen any females get hassled at all, FG or not) we're suspicious by default. I suppose if they hassle 100 guys a night, they probably do make a few arrests but it's just another classic "We Japanese" example of placing too much focus/emphasis on some bullshit methodology for a narrow target rather than the overall purpose. (in one of the videos, the cops doing the harassing completely ignore a traffic accident and stay focused on the attempted questioning)

Not going to cause any change to the system by making a stand on the side of the road but the feeling I get from all the vids I watched was that if you refuse to submit and they don't have any legit cause to continue, you can walk/drive away slowly without further pursuit. I was pretty shocked at the vids where the victims literally drove away while the cops were trying to stop them but none of them were pursued. (jives with that vid I posted of the scooter dude who ran and dragged the cop with him for a few meters) Basically, while they can pressure and harass you all they want to comply, they can't confine you and cannot arrest you for leaving. (as long as it can't be construed as running) Once again, jives with several of the vids where the cops follow/harass people as they walk in and through retail shops and such. (I'm surprised none of the victims ever straight up call the cops stalkers...though that one dude keeps saying "don't touch me, I don't know if you're gay." haha)

[matsuki]

I see cops on foot/chari hiding in the alleys and shit on my daily commute through rural Tokyo (which is creepy enough since it's obviously not about prevention as much as trying to be sneaky and catch you with your cell phone or making a lane change over a yellow line or something) but yesterday it got even weirder with a cop, on foot, in one of the expressway tunnels as I was heading to Odaiba. Literally no place to pull you over and...I can't even begin to understand what the idea was but there he was, standing in prime "run me over fam!" territory at an interchange with a lit up red batton and jeering at oncoming traffic.

[wuchan]

I see cops on foot/chari hiding in the alleys and shit on my daily commute through rural Tokyo (which is creepy enough since it's obviously not about prevention as much as trying to be sneaky and catch you with your cell phone or making a lane change over a yellow line or something) but yesterday it got even weirder with a cop, on foot, in one of the expressway tunnels as I was heading to Odaiba. Literally no place to pull you over and...I can't even begin to understand what the idea was but there he was, standing in prime "run me over fam!" territory at an interchange with a lit up red batton and jeering at oncoming traffic.

they do that. Usually there are two things they are doing.

First is seatbelt checks. They have a guy hang out in a random spot looking for people in the back seat without seat belts and radio ahead to the UC Toyota crown which pulls the offender over. I don't have a problem with this because I see too many kids bouncing around in the back of vans which is extremely dangerous.

The second is a speed trap. The guy on foot has a radar box hidden near by and then radios ahead to the UC crown. This one I have a problem with because they only tend to pull over cars that are cheaper or look old. I have seen trains of AMG mercs, BMWs, and more expensive domestics get a free pass so the cop could pull over the one nissan note in the bunch. The police have directly told me "only poor people commit crimes". It's a strange theory but I think it's more like poor people don't have the money to fight back in court.

[Takechanpoo]

ねずみ取りマップ(speed trap map of damn polices)
http://nezumi.my-svr.com/
http://torishimari.sub.jp/

[matsuki]

I see cops on foot/chari hiding in the alleys and shit on my daily commute through rural Tokyo (which is creepy enough since it's obviously not about prevention as much as trying to be sneaky and catch you with your cell phone or making a lane change over a yellow line or something) but yesterday it got even weirder with a cop, on foot, in one of the expressway tunnels as I was heading to Odaiba. Literally no place to pull you over and...I can't even begin to understand what the idea was but there he was, standing in prime "run me over fam!" territory at an interchange with a lit up red batton and jeering at oncoming traffic.

they do that. Usually there are two things they are doing.

First is seatbelt checks. They have a guy hang out in a random spot looking for people in the back seat without seat belts and radio ahead to the UC Toyota crown which pulls the offender over. I don't have a problem with this because I see too many kids bouncing around in the back of vans which is extremely dangerous.

Which is fine if they're in plain sight. They'll never be able to catch everyone but being visible would ideally scare idiot parents like that into compliance.

The second is a speed trap. The guy on foot has a radar box hidden near by and then radios ahead to the UC crown. This one I have a problem with because they only tend to pull over cars that are cheaper or look old. I have seen trains of AMG mercs, BMWs, and more expensive domestics get a free pass so the cop could pull over the one nissan note in the bunch. The police have directly told me "only poor people commit crimes". It's a strange theory but I think it's more like poor people don't have the money to fight back in court.

I've seen those before but this was inside a tunnel with no shoulders for a UC car to be waiting or to pull you over. Really bizarre concept and the cop on foot was exactly where you'd expect some panicking driver to swerve when they realize they're heading the wrong direction and try to make that last ditch attempt to stay on course. (basically a death sentence for the cop)

[wagyl]

trying to be sneaky and catch you with your cell phone or making a lane change over a yellow line or something

I couldn't agree more forcefully. How very dare them be trying to catch a guilty citizen breaking the law! That is so sneaky! Any decent police force would rely 100% on self reporting -- which they do with 100% confessions.