RADAR DETECTORS...

[matsuki]

There are several places in this country where the speed limits are obviously unreasonably too low...and most people seem to ignore the posted limits and tailgate you/road rage on you like crazy if you don't do the same.

Agreed but it's ridiculous to say the the problem is the speed limit. The problem is the entitled assholes who don't follow it. I think I should be allowed to smoke weed, snort coke, fuck 16 year olds, and own a handgun but I'm not so I don't. Just kidding about the 16 year olds. I draw the line at 17.

I'm not going to use "but the speed limit is too low" in response to a speeding ticket, unreasonable or not, that's a risk I took....but the speed limits in those areas should be raised to reasonable speeds. Posted speed limits are the safest when set at the 85th percentile speeds of free flowing traffic under good conditions. I have zero idea how (if it's even possible) for an individual to file a proposal for speed limits to be raised anywhere here...but in the US, speed limits are going up everywhere. Nevada is looking at 80mph (129km/h) highways like Wyoming, Utah, Idaho and Texas already have.

[Samurai_Jerk]

There are several places in this country where the speed limits are obviously unreasonably too low...and most people seem to ignore the posted limits and tailgate you/road rage on you like crazy if you don't do the same.

Agreed but it's ridiculous to say the the problem is the speed limit. The problem is the entitled assholes who don't follow it. I think I should be allowed to smoke weed, snort coke, fuck 16 year olds, and own a handgun but I'm not so I don't. Just kidding about the 16 year olds. I draw the line at 17.

I'm not going to use "but the speed limit is too low" in response to a speeding ticket, unreasonable or not, that's a risk I took....but the speed limits in those areas should be raised to reasonable speeds. Posted speed limits are the safest when set at the 85th percentile speeds of free flowing traffic under good conditions. I have zero idea how (if it's even possible) for an individual to file a proposal for speed limits to be raised anywhere here...but in the US, speed limits are going up everywhere. Nevada is looking at 80mph (129km/h) highways like Wyoming, Utah, Idaho and Texas already have.

And that has worked out well. Though anything that kills more people in Texas is probably a good thing.

[matsuki]

And that has worked out well. Though anything that kills more people in Texas is probably a good thing.

In 1995, Congress passed the National Highway Designation Act, which removed all federal speed limit controls. Although the national speed limit had previously been set at 55 mph and 65 mph in some rural areas each state was now allowed to raise or lower its speed limits as state officials saw fit.

A 2009study published in the American Journal of Public Health analyzed the long-term effects of the 1995 act. From 1995 to 2005, there was a 3.2 percent increase in road fatalities attributable to higher speed limits on all road types, with the highest increase 9.1 percent occurring on rural interstates. Researchers estimated that 12,545 deaths were attributed to increases in speed limits across the U.S. during that time.

9.1% increase is definitely worth noting but so is 6+years later, vehicles have stricter safety requirements and all kinds of new accident avoidance tech that wasn't around during the period of the study.

Back to Japan though...not saying we need 130km/h highways, but 100-110km/h highways would be pretty reasonable. Add synched traffic signals and gateless ETC to that package and you have a better driving experience with an ECO vibe to it. (less wasted gas stopping/slowing down and getting back to speed)

[kurogane]

Agreed but it's ridiculous to say the the problem is the speed limit.

Any signs of bruising yet?

[matsuki]

Agreed but it's ridiculous to say the the problem is the speed limit.

Any signs of bruising yet?

Only on the 16yo....errr 17yo's ass

[Russell]

A speed limit that is set arbitrarily may actually make the traffic situation more dangerous, because it leads to more differentials in speeds. I often drive on a highway that has a speed limit of 60 km/h, and while this may the appropriate speed in the worst of circumstances, in 90% of the cases it is too low, so in practice you see the vast majority of cars going well above it. Driving 80 to 90 km/h on this highway is no big deal. That is still not a shocking speed, isn't it?

So the roads are dangerous because a lot of people speed but the problem is the speed limit.

Nope, the roads become more dangerous because of the ill-thought out speed limits.

The vast majority of cars that are speeding is an indication that a speed limit of 60 km/h on a straight 2-lane highway is not rational.

Well... If the roads were packed with Bugatti Veyrons you'd have a point.

Don't tell me you need a Bugatti Veyron to reach a speed of up to 90 km/h...

But since they are also used by trucks that might not be able to follow the same flow...

Trucks tend to speed as much as regular cars.

And when you consider that when situation degrades be it by rain or fog a large majority don't adapt their speed to the new condition... I'd say your call to imaginary group wisdom is not based on reality...

I am not against lowering speed when conditions require.

But it is ridiculous to set speed limits for the few days road conditions are bad, and keep them like that for all other days...

[Russell]

And that has worked out well. Though anything that kills more people in Texas is probably a good thing.

In 1995, Congress passed the National Highway Designation Act, which removed all federal speed limit controls. Although the national speed limit had previously been set at 55 mph and 65 mph in some rural areas each state was now allowed to raise or lower its speed limits as state officials saw fit.

A 2009study published in the American Journal of Public Health analyzed the long-term effects of the 1995 act. From 1995 to 2005, there was a 3.2 percent increase in road fatalities attributable to higher speed limits on all road types, with the highest increase 9.1 percent occurring on rural interstates. Researchers estimated that 12,545 deaths were attributed to increases in speed limits across the U.S. during that time.

9.1% increase is definitely worth noting but so is 6+years later, vehicles have stricter safety requirements and all kinds of new accident avoidance tech that wasn't around during the period of the study.

Back to Japan though...not saying we need 130km/h highways, but 100-110km/h highways would be pretty reasonable. Add synched traffic signals and gateless ETC to that package and you have a better driving experience with an ECO vibe to it. (less wasted gas stopping/slowing down and getting back to speed)

Finally someone with a reasonable opinion.

[Samurai_Jerk]

And that has worked out well. Though anything that kills more people in Texas is probably a good thing.

In 1995, Congress passed the National Highway Designation Act, which removed all federal speed limit controls. Although the national speed limit had previously been set at 55 mph and 65 mph in some rural areas each state was now allowed to raise or lower its speed limits as state officials saw fit.

A 2009study published in the American Journal of Public Health analyzed the long-term effects of the 1995 act. From 1995 to 2005, there was a 3.2 percent increase in road fatalities attributable to higher speed limits on all road types, with the highest increase 9.1 percent occurring on rural interstates. Researchers estimated that 12,545 deaths were attributed to increases in speed limits across the U.S. during that time.

9.1% increase is definitely worth noting but so is 6+years later, vehicles have stricter safety requirements and all kinds of new accident avoidance tech that wasn't around during the period of the study.

Back to Japan though...not saying we need 130km/h highways, but 100-110km/h highways would be pretty reasonable. Add synched traffic signals and gateless ETC to that package and you have a better driving experience with an ECO vibe to it. (less wasted gas stopping/slowing down and getting back to speed)

Finally someone with a reasonable opinion.

Not really. There might still have been a similar increase in fatalities with current technology in place. You'd just be starting at a lower level because new cars are safer. I'm not defending Japan's ridiculously low speed limits. I was shocked the first time I went on the highway and saw 80 kph posted. I'm saying that babies who think they are entitled to speed because they don't wike the wules and cry like little pussies when they do get a speeding ticket are the bigger problem.

[matsuki]

But since they are also used by trucks that might not be able to follow the same flow...

Trucks tend to speed as much as regular cars.

This is what bothers me more than anything...I've been tailgated by JDM "big rigs" in the fast lane on the highways here several times. The speed limiter on the trucks is removed and they sure haul ass when they think nobody is looking. The worst time, I tried to show the video to police (dude looked out to kill someone) and was pretty much told that they won't do shit. They need gov't installed GPS transponders w/ cameras and license readers on trucks like that.

[matsuki]

And that has worked out well. Though anything that kills more people in Texas is probably a good thing.

In 1995, Congress passed the National Highway Designation Act, which removed all federal speed limit controls. Although the national speed limit had previously been set at 55 mph and 65 mph in some rural areas each state was now allowed to raise or lower its speed limits as state officials saw fit.

A 2009study published in the American Journal of Public Health analyzed the long-term effects of the 1995 act. From 1995 to 2005, there was a 3.2 percent increase in road fatalities attributable to higher speed limits on all road types, with the highest increase 9.1 percent occurring on rural interstates. Researchers estimated that 12,545 deaths were attributed to increases in speed limits across the U.S. during that time.

9.1% increase is definitely worth noting but so is 6+years later, vehicles have stricter safety requirements and all kinds of new accident avoidance tech that wasn't around during the period of the study.

Back to Japan though...not saying we need 130km/h highways, but 100-110km/h highways would be pretty reasonable. Add synched traffic signals and gateless ETC to that package and you have a better driving experience with an ECO vibe to it. (less wasted gas stopping/slowing down and getting back to speed)

Finally someone with a reasonable opinion.

Not really. There might still have been a similar increase in fatalities with current technology in place. You'd just be starting at a lower level because new cars are safer. I'm not defending Japan's ridiculously low speed limits. I was shocked the first time I went on the highway and saw 80 kph posted. I'm saying that babies who think they are entitled to speed because they don't wike the wules and cry like little pussies when they do get a speeding ticket are the bigger problem.

You'd also be dealing with millions of entitled teenage millennials behind the wheel...dangerous at any speed.

[Mike Oxlong]

Let me know when they start enforcing the no texting whilst driving rule. I see riders do it, drivers do it, cyclists do it, along with the sea of dumb walkers.

[Russell]

And that has worked out well. Though anything that kills more people in Texas is probably a good thing.

In 1995, Congress passed the National Highway Designation Act, which removed all federal speed limit controls. Although the national speed limit had previously been set at 55 mph and 65 mph in some rural areas each state was now allowed to raise or lower its speed limits as state officials saw fit.

A 2009study published in the American Journal of Public Health analyzed the long-term effects of the 1995 act. From 1995 to 2005, there was a 3.2 percent increase in road fatalities attributable to higher speed limits on all road types, with the highest increase 9.1 percent occurring on rural interstates. Researchers estimated that 12,545 deaths were attributed to increases in speed limits across the U.S. during that time.

9.1% increase is definitely worth noting but so is 6+years later, vehicles have stricter safety requirements and all kinds of new accident avoidance tech that wasn't around during the period of the study.

Back to Japan though...not saying we need 130km/h highways, but 100-110km/h highways would be pretty reasonable. Add synched traffic signals and gateless ETC to that package and you have a better driving experience with an ECO vibe to it. (less wasted gas stopping/slowing down and getting back to speed)

Finally someone with a reasonable opinion.

Not really. There might still have been a similar increase in fatalities with current technology in place. You'd just be starting at a lower level because new cars are safer. I'm not defending Japan's ridiculously low speed limits. I was shocked the first time I went on the highway and saw 80 kph posted. I'm saying that babies who think they are entitled to speed because they don't wike the wules and cry like little pussies when they do get a speeding ticket are the bigger problem.

I do not think I am entitled to speed, but neither can I stand the 低速駐車場 that they call highways here.

A speeding ticket has already been calculated in by me. The probability of it is extremely low, and the impact on my life is limited as long as I keep my speeding below 30 km/h. That doesn't mean I insist on going that much over the limit in all cases, it only is my upper limit and I will adjust my driving to road conditions. And, I only speed on highways, not on normal roads.

[Coligny]

You do that while porking from the back of a keijidoosha too ?

[Kanchou]

The limits in Japan are too low for the roads and for the performance of modern cars.

They make perfect sense if you're driving a kei truck, but if you're driving a kei truck you won't want to drive any faster than that anyway.

That said, a blanket increase of 20 would be appropriate pretty much everywhere except where streets are so narrow pedestrians have to walk on the road. No one is saying they should be 130+...

[Yokohammer]

The limits in Japan are too low for the roads and for the performance of modern cars.

They make perfect sense if you're driving a kei truck, but if you're driving a kei truck you won't want to drive any faster than that anyway.

That said, a blanket increase of 20 would be appropriate pretty much everywhere except where streets are so narrow pedestrians have to walk on the road. No one is saying they should be 130+...

Wouldn't want drive a kei any faster? You grossly overestimate the commonsense of younger folk who still believe they're immortal. And of course thrill-seeking nitwits.

Also, people are so used to driving 10~20 over the limit that raising the legal limit on surface roads from 60 to 80 would mean there'd be plenty of drivers ... and I mean NOT a minority ... happily barreling along at 100 km/h on surface roads. If they were passing through a residential area where the limit is suddenly restricted to 40 or 50, as often happens, they probably wouldn't even notice the sign.

As for expressways, I think it would depend on the road. Even 100 is pushing it on some of the more curvy stretches through mountainous areas, so again you'd have limits changing on the fly, and a lot of people wouldn't even notice or bother.

The real issue, at least around where I live and drive, are isolated 40 km/hr roads where 50 or even 60 would be much more reasonable. Higher than that and I think you're looking for trouble.


~ Tapatalking ~

[Salty]

As an older (mature?) driver, I like the speed limits just as they are... I can still speed if I want to feel the thrill, and still be relatively safe at 20 over.

[Russell]

As an older (mature?) driver, I like the speed limits just as they are... I can still speed if I want to feel the thrill, and still be relatively safe at 20 over.

So, extrapolating that to me, there is still hope for me in the future.

[Russell]

The limits in Japan are too low for the roads and for the performance of modern cars.

They make perfect sense if you're driving a kei truck, but if you're driving a kei truck you won't want to drive any faster than that anyway.

That said, a blanket increase of 20 would be appropriate pretty much everywhere except where streets are so narrow pedestrians have to walk on the road. No one is saying they should be 130+...

Wouldn't want drive a kei any faster? You grossly overestimate the commonsense of younger folk who still believe they're immortal. And of course thrill-seeking nitwits.

Also, people are so used to driving 10~20 over the limit that raising the legal limit on surface roads from 60 to 80 would mean there'd be plenty of drivers ... and I mean NOT a minority ... happily barreling along at 100 km/h on surface roads. If they were passing through a residential area where the limit is suddenly restricted to 40 or 50, as often happens, they probably wouldn't even notice the sign.

As for expressways, I think it would depend on the road. Even 100 is pushing it on some of the more curvy stretches through mountainous areas, so again you'd have limits changing on the fly, and a lot of people wouldn't even notice or bother.

The real issue, at least around where I live and drive, are isolated 40 km/hr roads where 50 or even 60 would be much more reasonable. Higher than that and I think you're looking for trouble.

Hammer, there is truth in what you say, but the underlying problem is that the existing speed limits are not enforced. If they make the limits 20 or 30 km/h higher on highways they would need to become much stricter, but that would require much man power or the installation of more working cameras (for which they have no budget allegedly).

As for speed limits on roads other than highways in my prefecture, I have no complaints and usually do not speed more than 10 km/h there and most of the time do not speed at all, because of the risk to pedestrians, cyclists, animals, etc. Today I drove on a narrow road amidst the rice fields and suddenly a ferret came out running with a mouse in its mouth. It was less than 20 meters in front of my car, but fortunately my speed was low enough to not hit it. That animal was a real beauty.

For some normal roads, such as the straight road in Hokkaido mentioned by Coligny with a speed limit of 50 km/h, it would be a good idea to raise it to 80 km/h, though.

[Salty]

As an older (mature?) driver, I like the speed limits just as they are... I can still speed if I want to feel the thrill, and still be relatively safe at 20 over.

So, extrapolating that to me, there is still hope for me in the future.

Just don`t tailgate me, or confuse me with that klaxon thingy....

[Coligny]

The limits in Japan are too low for the roads and for the performance of modern cars.

They make perfect sense if you're driving a kei truck, but if you're driving a kei truck you won't want to drive any faster than that anyway.

That said, a blanket increase of 20 would be appropriate pretty much everywhere except where streets are so narrow pedestrians have to walk on the road. No one is saying they should be 130+...

Wouldn't want drive a kei any faster? You grossly overestimate the commonsense of younger folk who still believe they're immortal. And of course thrill-seeking nitwits.

Also, people are so used to driving 10~20 over the limit that raising the legal limit on surface roads from 60 to 80 would mean there'd be plenty of drivers ... and I mean NOT a minority ... happily barreling along at 100 km/h on surface roads. If they were passing through a residential area where the limit is suddenly restricted to 40 or 50, as often happens, they probably wouldn't even notice the sign.

As for expressways, I think it would depend on the road. Even 100 is pushing it on some of the more curvy stretches through mountainous areas, so again you'd have limits changing on the fly, and a lot of people wouldn't even notice or bother.

The real issue, at least around where I live and drive, are isolated 40 km/hr roads where 50 or even 60 would be much more reasonable. Higher than that and I think you're looking for trouble.

Hammer, there is truth in what you say, but the underlying problem is that the existing speed limits are not enforced. If they make the limits 20 or 30 km/h higher on highways they would need to become much stricter, but that would require much man power or the installation of more working cameras (for which they have no budget allegedly).

As for speed limits on roads other than highways in my prefecture, I have no complaints and usually do not speed more than 10 km/h there and most of the time do not speed at all, because of the risk to pedestrians, cyclists, animals, etc. Today I drove on a narrow road amidst the rice fields and suddenly a ferret came out running with a mouse in its mouth. It was less than 20 meters in front of my car, but fortunately my speed was low enough to not hit it. That animal was a real beauty.

For some normal roads, such as the straight road in Hokkaido mentioned by Coligny with a speed limit of 50 km/h, it would be a good idea to raise it to 80 km/h, though.

Ferrets !? I aim for those suckers...

Don't get me started on crows... Snakes... Tanokis... Brazilians...

As for my Hokkaido road... It was dense woods on both sides so anytime you can be attacked by homosexual bears, monkeys orbthe usual animalery of local mythical creatures... With no time to react...

So... Count me with Hammer on this one...

[Russell]

The limits in Japan are too low for the roads and for the performance of modern cars.

They make perfect sense if you're driving a kei truck, but if you're driving a kei truck you won't want to drive any faster than that anyway.

That said, a blanket increase of 20 would be appropriate pretty much everywhere except where streets are so narrow pedestrians have to walk on the road. No one is saying they should be 130+...

Wouldn't want drive a kei any faster? You grossly overestimate the commonsense of younger folk who still believe they're immortal. And of course thrill-seeking nitwits.

Also, people are so used to driving 10~20 over the limit that raising the legal limit on surface roads from 60 to 80 would mean there'd be plenty of drivers ... and I mean NOT a minority ... happily barreling along at 100 km/h on surface roads. If they were passing through a residential area where the limit is suddenly restricted to 40 or 50, as often happens, they probably wouldn't even notice the sign.

As for expressways, I think it would depend on the road. Even 100 is pushing it on some of the more curvy stretches through mountainous areas, so again you'd have limits changing on the fly, and a lot of people wouldn't even notice or bother.

The real issue, at least around where I live and drive, are isolated 40 km/hr roads where 50 or even 60 would be much more reasonable. Higher than that and I think you're looking for trouble.

Hammer, there is truth in what you say, but the underlying problem is that the existing speed limits are not enforced. If they make the limits 20 or 30 km/h higher on highways they would need to become much stricter, but that would require much man power or the installation of more working cameras (for which they have no budget allegedly).

As for speed limits on roads other than highways in my prefecture, I have no complaints and usually do not speed more than 10 km/h there and most of the time do not speed at all, because of the risk to pedestrians, cyclists, animals, etc. Today I drove on a narrow road amidst the rice fields and suddenly a ferret came out running with a mouse in its mouth. It was less than 20 meters in front of my car, but fortunately my speed was low enough to not hit it. That animal was a real beauty.

For some normal roads, such as the straight road in Hokkaido mentioned by Coligny with a speed limit of 50 km/h, it would be a good idea to raise it to 80 km/h, though.

Ferrets !? I aim for those suckers...

Don't get me started on crows... Snakes... Tanokis... Brazilians...

As for my Hokkaido road... It was dense woods on both sides so anytime you can be attacked by homosexual bears, monkeys orbthe usual animalery of local mythical creatures... With no time to react...

I would be more concerned about commies jumping out of the woods.

With you singing the Internationale...

[Coligny]

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She can attack me anytime...

I'll be in mah bunk... Singing the internationale...

[Kanchou]

I said kei truck. A whole different barrel of fish...

Of course, if they set the limits to the limit of what is safe, they would have to enforce them more than sporadically... but as it stands I think they set them unreasonably low so most people will speed, but at a reasonable pace, without having to spend on enforcement, and making a killing on fines for those who actually get caught.

Having patrol cars work in pairs for highway duty seems excessive, though.... they could double patrols if the just worked solo.

[Russell]

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She can attack me anytime...

I'll be in mah bunk... Singing the internationale...

Still singing?

[Coligny]

How aboot:

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Fuck yeaaaah...

(No disrespek or objektificashion toward Russian wimin intended or implied, Cyka what are you doing with that gun, please put it down now... Don't shoot I have 3 kittehs to raise for god sake !!!)

[Russell]

How aboot:

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Fuck yeaaaah...

(No disrespek or objektificashion toward Russian wimin intended or implied, Cyka what are you doing with that gun, please put it down now... Don't shoot I have 3 kittehs to raise for god sake !!!)

She may be a cummie, but she is not a commie...

[Coligny]

How aboot:

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Fuck yeaaaah...

(No disrespek or objektificashion toward Russian wimin intended or implied, Cyka what are you doing with that gun, please put it down now... Don't shoot I have 3 kittehs to raise for god sake !!!)

She may be a cummie, but she is not a commie...

Yes, and Renault-Nissan-Daimler-Benz, the Bugatti Veyron, the Concorde, Airbus and your mom are not french, I'm starting to know the drill.

[Russell]

How aboot:

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Fuck yeaaaah...

(No disrespek or objektificashion toward Russian wimin intended or implied, Cyka what are you doing with that gun, please put it down now... Don't shoot I have 3 kittehs to raise for god sake !!!)

She may be a cummie, but she is not a commie...

Yes, and Renault-Nissan-Daimler-Benz, the Bugatti Veyron, the Concorde, Airbus and your mom are not french, I'm starting to know the drill.

Bed time, methinks.

[Coligny]

How aboot:

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Fuck yeaaaah...

(No disrespek or objektificashion toward Russian wimin intended or implied, Cyka what are you doing with that gun, please put it down now... Don't shoot I have 3 kittehs to raise for god sake !!!)

She may be a cummie, but she is not a commie...

Yes, and Renault-Nissan-Daimler-Benz, the Bugatti Veyron, the Concorde, Airbus and your mom are not french, I'm starting to know the drill.

b Med time, methinks.

Corrected your typo...

[J.A.F.O]

Well it is for me anyways.

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