stazi state

[cliffy]

For those of us who live in a liberal, generaly fair state of government, could you please explain why you would need a domestic spy network focused on your own population???? I can understand xenophobia, racism and prejudgement, I don't agree with them though, but did anyone learn anything from the cold war McCarthy debarcle? or am I living in self delusion?

Any further thoughts or explanations welcomed

[mercutio]

Any further thoughts or explanations welcomed

the mere fact that you are questioning the unlimited wisdom of our infallably benevolent government is indicitative that you are a thought criminal of the highest order. You probably are commiting a thought crime right now. I am reporting you to the authorities for the good of all mankind!!!! you sick fuck!

[Steve Bildermann]

For those of us who live in a liberal, generaly fair state of government, could you please explain why you would need a domestic spy network focused on your own population???? I can understand xenophobia, racism and prejudgement, I don't agree with them though, but did anyone learn anything from the cold war McCarthy debarcle? or am I living in self delusion?

Any further thoughts or explanations welcomed

As tragic as 9/11 was, it's obvious that opportunist politicians and beaurocrats have used it as a powerful and very convenient excuse to extend their reach and gain further control over the TAX paying public. In the end it always comes down to money. However I believe the vast majority of americans, being the generally sensible people that they are, simply won't stand for this type of 1984 mentality. This too will pass.

I was taught and I firmly believe:

"Letting other people do things you don't like is the price of freedom."

and I like being free!

[cliffy]

weeelll I did say generaly fair

[Steve Bildermann]

[Steve Bildermann]

Hmm now that's interesting. I know I have problems with hearing extra voices but I didn't know there was an echo on this board.

Mr. Ultra boss man would you please delete the repeat posts. And this post too.

Then cover up any evidence it has been done and forget you did it.

<all to the tune of Men in Black>

[Steve Bildermann]

Thoughtful reply. I agree with you. I was making the point to Doc that there are many examples, Vietnam being only one, where the US public have eventually said enough is enough and were no longer willing to 'go along'

I'm a believer in that public consciousness that 'big brother' or whatever you want to call it *can* be stopped. It may be painful to watch and many may suffer but there are limits to have far authoritarian rule can go.

Your last phrase seems to imply you agree with me

No one is going to stand up, until they are forced to, if and when things get much, much worse.

May I ask you (and others if they would care to) for your opinion on what happened a Waco, Texas?

[Steve Bildermann]

No. I'd rather not live out the rest of my days in an officially non-existent detention cell, thank you.

Your right on that point. Take it from me detention cells are not what they are cracked up to be. Especially when they keep dropping by to give you those green pills that make you go duuuuuhhhhhh.

However is this new found reserve of yours merely a tactic to get f***** gaijin restored to the screens in Saudia Arabia.

Next it'll be 'come on guys, get with the program, CLEAN UP this forum'

Ultra ... You need rehab. Repeat after me

F**** Gaijin -- snotty comments on stupid Japan news items, seven days a week!

[mercutio]

May I ask you (and others if they would care to) for your opinion on what happened a Waco, Texas?

No. I'd rather not live out the rest of my days in an officially non-existent detention cell, thank you.

I'll do it. The feds went in and they torched the place. I'm just sorry that nutjob (Koresh) was able warp the mind of that many innocents to follow him when he went down. Oh well, it just goes back to the fact that the average IQ (by definition) is 100. People in general are rock stupid and easily led. The ATF folks are a bunch of nazis and the branch davidians were psychos. I dont want either type of group to have too much power or pay too much attention to me....so let'em whack each other. Pour some more chlorine in the gene-pool

I'm from Texas and drove through Waco all the time going from school to visit the parents in Dallas. People knew about the branch davidians out there and there had been murmerings for quite some time.

Brad

[cliffy]

Jim Jones (Jonestown), David Koresh (Waco), Who will be the next generation self-destructive Guru? Moonies and the Orange People don't count 'Cause the groups imploded letting some of the confused out to try again . No I am not being sarcastic, for once, but I do see a very disturbing pattern. These are just the US initiated cults that got large press the rest of the world also have them, Australia included but they get less news time, unless they attack the public, need I draw a picture?????