Organic Eggs

[Maths Dude]

I have been buying organic free range eggs for the past few weeks now, and I can say they taste much better than 'normal' eggs. They cost (at 80yen/$1)
about 500 yen/dozen. The normal ones cost about 200 yen. I will never go back regardless of the price. Also I bought organic oats, again, the taste and quality are superb.

When I was in Japan the milk tasted like piss. I think I figured out why. In Japan most of the milking cows are grain fed. But in Oz they are grass fed - therefore the taste is much better. I grew up on a dairy farm, so I know what real milk is, and the Japanese shit is not real milk. Go for organic, you wont regret

[Big Booger]

I have been buying organic free range eggs for the past few weeks now, and I can say they taste much better than 'normal' eggs. They cost (at 80yen/$1)
about 500 yen/dozen. The normal ones cost about 200 yen. I will never go back regardless of the price. Also I bought organic oats, again, the taste and quality are superb.

When I was in Japan the milk tasted like piss. I think I figured out why. In Japan most of the milking cows are grain fed. But in Oz they are grass fed - therefore the taste is much better. I grew up on a dairy farm, so I know what real milk is, and the Japanese shit is not real milk. Go for organic, you wont regret

I've been buying organic bananas now for about 1 year. I will never go back. They brown faster than non-organic, but they taste much better. I tried both at the same time, and found the non-organics to have a strange smell to them.. I knew it must have been herbicide or something... stinky.

Organics are also smaller as well. Compared to the DOLE or CHIQUITA varieties, these are much better.

I've since switched to organic ketchup, mayonnaise, eggs, etc.. But to be honest living where I do it is kind of hard to find totally organic or semi-organic foods... which sucks.

[Charles]

When I was in Japan the milk tasted like piss. I think I figured out why. In Japan most of the milking cows are grain fed. But in Oz they are grass fed - therefore the taste is much better. I grew up on a dairy farm, so I know what real milk is, and the Japanese shit is not real milk. Go for organic, you wont regret

The milk in Japan tastes different because they use a different method of processing. I haven't checked into it fully (mostly because I don't drink milk) but from what I gather, it appears they use a different pasteurization process. And then there's the special handling done by companies like Snow Milk..

Organic foods are just another consumer scam. It is merely a way to get you to pay more for the same product. I assure you that "organic" foods also contain pesticides, agriculture is impossible without them.

[kotatsuneko]

someone i know just wrote a highly credited paper on whether or not organic food actually is of any benefit, whilst the soil association and the govts food agency here had, on the surface quite different opinions on supermarket vs organic foods, she concluded that, despite the best intentions of organic food producers, shielding produce from outside pollutants was pretty much impossible, and that so far, there has been little evidence to show real health benefits, due to consumers on the whole, mixing food types, both in shopping and eating out, so its hard to compare diets and health differences. that said, organic produce does tend to taste better, and cleaner, but its too expensive and inconvinent to live off it for most people.

[Big Booger]

[jingai]

Organic foods are just another consumer scam. It is merely a way to get you to pay more for the same product. I assure you that "organic" foods also contain pesticides, agriculture is impossible without them.

Charles is completely wrong on this and apparently hasn't grown anything himself. There are organic "pesticides" which are made of natural substances and aren't persistent pollutants like DDT et al.
Organic agriculture is all about doing things smarter. Smarter means not having massive monocultures that are vulnerable to disease, rotating your crops to raise resistance to disease and preserve soil quality, etc.

Does organic taste better? Not necessarily. The main advantage is when you buy foods that haven't been preserved and that are grown to maximize taste rather than shelf life.

There are other benefits- if you drink water you benefit from local organic food as pesticides and fertilizer runoff from farms is a major threat to our drinking water supplies.

[Charles]

[Maths Dude]

Charles is full of shit. It's not a 'scam'. There is a mini revolution under way - people are saying NO to all the chemicals and shit they dump all over our food products. I don't want to eat pesticides, if you want to eat them then go for it. Actually, maybe thats why your head is all messed up charlie, you been eating too much pesticide.

[oyajikun]

I can't say I have tried many organic foods but I will agree with Maths Dude on Japanese milk tasting like piss. What are they doing or not doing to make it taste so fucking sour??

[FG Lurker]

Personally I would say there is some "good" and some "scam". I wouldn't trust things in shops labeled "organic" for the reason Charles listed -- there is no oversight. (Same thing with "health supplements".)

However buying stuff from local farmers who you know is great! My parents used to get awesome brown eggs that way when I was a kid. Far larger than the store-bought ones, and I would say they tasted better. No idea if they were any better for me or not, but I would be surprised if they were any worse for me...

Same with meat. Free range beef is far better than factory farm garbage -- a lot more expensive though.

With veggies and fruit it would be even more so. I don't give a shit what the government might say is "safe", eating shit coated in pesticides *can't* be good for you. (To anyone who would want to argue that, remember that for many years smoking wasn't considered dangerous even though anyone with half a brain should have been able to see that filling your lungs with smoke couldn't be anything but bad...)

[kotatsuneko]

we are lucky enough to live near an organic farmers store, and they`ll even take you round to some of their fields if you got time, they also place a big emphasis on using as little fuel and packaging as possible, with discounts for recylcing their cartons etc. they are also cheaper on the whole than most supermarktes organic offerings.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Sorry guys but Charles is right at least as far as the US is concerned. It doesn't mean that there aren't good organic farms but the lable doesn't necessarily mean anything. Organic just means they don't use certain pesticides. I do prefer some organic products but some, like tomatoes, are worse.

[Maths Dude]

The US must be fucking stupid or something - they all eating too much GM and pesticides I bet. In Oz we have got rules if want to be organic, and they actually check up on you. Also greenpeace has a good website listing all the companies that have banned GM foods (or dont use them). Australia has to play it smart and not let GM foods in full-on like the US. The most sinister thing about GM companies is that they engineer the seed to not germinate, therefore if you want to grow food you gotta pay up. If it is allowed to continue, those companies will have the world by the balls. I am a firm believer in the Precautionary Principle, I reckon crossing fucking brocoli with a rat gene just aint right. It's for sale now under the brand 'brocolini' .

[GomiGirl]

I can't say I have tried many organic foods but I will agree with Maths Dude on Japanese milk tasting like piss. What are they doing or not doing to make it taste so fucking sour??

Charles is right about the process being different. It is pasteurised at a higher temperature for a shorter time than in Australia. This is why it has that "burnt" taste to it. But I am used to it now.

This info was given to me by a friend who worked at a milk company here in Japan - they have the contract for Starbucks.. so it is accurate.

[Charles]

The US must be fucking stupid or something - they all eating too much GM and pesticides I bet.

I must inform you of some inconvenient facts that you won't like.

Every commercially produced crop in the world, livestock, plant crops, etc. are ALL GM foods. Every single organism that is farmed, ranched, etc. is all genetically modified. Except in the olden days, instead of Genetic Modification, they used to call it "animal husbandry" and "plant hybridization." It makes no difference to the end product if the genes were manipulated through generations of crossbreeding vs. recombinant DNA techniques that could do it in a day. The end result is the same.

I also regret to inform you that without pesticides and chemical fertilizers, you (and several billion other humans) would be starving to death. The revolutionization of agriculture throug the systematic use of hybrid plants, chemical fertilizers, and pesticides has been described as The Green Revolution and the inventor of this concept, Norman Borlaug, won the 1970 Nobel Peace Prize for saving billions of people from starvation through his agribusiness programs.

[Maths Dude]

I have heard all that tripe before - and it is tripe. There is no need for chemicals if you use your brains when growing food. The stupid industrial-farming techniques belong with Charlie and his cronies. Permacutlure will be the way in which food will be grown in the future. Why? Because it is sustainable. All that crap about 'Oh we would all be dead without pesticides" is BULLSHIT.

[Big Booger]

[Maths Dude]

What you feed a cow does affect the end products. Just look at 'mad cow disease' if think I am wrong. They feed cows with bits of other animals mixed with grains. It will definatley affect the quality and taste of milk, regardless of 'how much you heat it'.

[Ketou]

Charles is right. GM is just advanced hybridization and it has been going on for as long as recorded history.

And yes, without modern farming techniques, i.e. chemicals, the population and standard of living would not be near what it is today. Good or bad from here is your judgment.

[Maths Dude]

Your full of shit. GM actually crosses animals with plants. Get it right.

[FG Lurker]

Your full of shit. GM actually crosses animals with plants. Get it right.

Not always. It also isn't "crossing"... More like "editing".

I'm not sure what I think of GM at this point. It's kinda creapy, but beyond that...

[Maths Dude]

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http://www.rense.com/general44/cell.htm

And all you aother GM apologists, go fuck yourself! I'm in no mood to back down to a buch of people who are too stupid to see whats really going on.

[FG Lurker]

Check out this site wankers.

http://www.rense.com/general44/cell.htm

And all you aother GM apologists, go fuck yourself! I'm in no mood to back down to a buch of people who are too stupid to see whats really going on.

Well Math's Dude, since you're such a genius, perhaps you'd like to explain it. If you can...

[hakuman]

Saying someone is full of shit on this topic implies that they are purpusfully misleading with the information that they are given, but Im pretty sure everyone believes what they are saying. Misinformed is probably more likely than full of shit.

That being said, it is both truthful that humans have been genetically modifying food through breeding programs for centuries now. Humans are also cross breeding animal DNA with vegetble DNA nowadays. Whlie they both may be GM, there is a difference between the two types of modifications. One is natural, and the other is not.

[Ketou]

Your full of shit. GM actually crosses animals with plants. Get it right.

(You're)!

Am I full of shit or is it that you have no fucking idea what you are talking about??

GM means genetically modified. ie the genes are modified!! Fuck how hard is it? Definition.
The modification of the genetic characteristics of a microorganism, plant or animal by inserting a modified gene or a gene from another variety or species. Genetically modified organisms (GMOs) may be microorganisms designed for use as biopesticides or seeds that have been altered genetically to give a plant better disease resistance or growth.

It does not specifically relate to the crossing of animals and plants. It also includes modification using "another variety or species". That is, cross pollination or hybridization in the old language! And that is why I said advanced.