Is it just me...

[Kanchou]

or is Ozawa one hell of an uneloquent, bug-eyed motherfucker?

[Coligny]

or is Ozawa one hell of an uneloquent, bug-eyed motherfucker?

Yeah, we know and her voice and acting are disastrous. Just turn the sound down it'll pass...

[Christoff]

Yeah, we know and her voice and acting are disastrous. Just turn the sound down it'll pass...

but she is just so damn adorable. love a good old fashioned thread jacking.

[Yokohammer]

or is Ozawa one hell of an uneloquent, bug-eyed motherfucker?

Dragging the thread mercilessly back to the subject of the intended ineloquent, bug-eyed motherfucker ... no, it's not just you.

To me he appears to be one of those people who have absolutely no social charm or common sense, and certainly no empathy for his fellow man, but whose brains have somehow become highly evolved for the sole purpose of taking advantage of people and situations for personal gain. Sort of fits my personal definition of "not particularly trustworthy."

[Coligny]

Dragging the thread mercilessly back to the subject of the intended ineloquent, bug-eyed motherfucker ... no, it's not just you.

To me he appears to be one of those people who have absolutely no social charm or common sense, and certainly no empathy for his fellow man, but whose brains have somehow become highly evolved for the sole purpose of taking advantage of people and situations for personal gain. Sort of fits my personal definition of "not particularly trustworthy."

Aka, "homme de l'ombre" or puppetmaster...

[Typhoon]

Aka, "homme de l'ombre" or puppetmaster...

A.k.a. a psychopath.

[Coligny]

A.k.a. a psychopath.

For further reference, also see: Dick Cheney.

[Kanchou]

I had to change the channel after listening to him use more "aaaaaaa" than actual content.

[dimwit]

A.k.a. Shiva

[Greji]

Aka, "homme de l'ombre" or puppetmaster...

Of course. He made his bones in the old Tanaka Kakue Ha. Everyone that came out of the Mokuyobikai, including Makiko, became a string puller....


(except for Noriko who made her bones with different pulls)

[Takechanpoo]

[GomiGirl]

[6810]

Where are your links to support this? Not calling you a liar, but without evidence, it is just opinion and supposition.

At the risk of accusations of either being Take or being a Take sympathiser, may I suggest that if one were interested in such news/information one might very well do the leg work oneself?

Big bad world out there and Japanese language ability, access to google and the corner bookstore political magazine section are your best friends!

[Yokohammer]

At the risk of accusations of either being Take or being a Take sympathiser, may I suggest that if one were interested in such news/information one might very well do the leg work oneself?

Big bad world out there and Japanese language ability, access to google and the corner bookstore political magazine section are your best friends!

Sorry, can't agree with this.

If someone is going to post seemingly far-fetched ideas like the Ozawa-CIA link as fact, then the onus is on the poster to provide references. If the poster has reliable information then he or she should tell us where it's from.

That's just common sense. Standard protocol taught in high school (even in Japan).

[Takechanpoo]

I always coordinate "truths" by combining innumerable fragments of various sources.

Originally Michael Jonathan Green exposed Ozawa's political contribution(from Nishimatsu Construction) scandal and the real estate problem and tried smashing Ozawa. (But the key persons of those scandals were killed one after another) Because Green and CIA thought Ozawa got closer to China and tried to abandon damn smelly U.S.A. Actually This agent of Unification Church, which have deep links with CIA since post war, demand J-prosecuter to re-investigate Ozawa's scandals. But probably CIA Japan branch seems to change the strategy and stopped smashing Ozawa. And conversely it decided to support Ozawa.

You'll see what I said in the near future.

[Greji]

I always coordinate "truths" by combining innumerable fragments of various sources.

Might be so, but if it is the same Mike Green that used to work in the diet as a staffer that I know, he certainly wasn't CIA. First of all, if he was, NPA would not allowed let him close to that job. If you're interested in that Mike Green,check here.....[/QUOTE]

You'll see what I said in the near future.

Please keep us apprised. I am really getting interested. But, come on! The Unification Church and the CIA? Don't you mean the old KCIA?

[6810]

Sorry, can't agree with this.

If someone is going to post seemingly far-fetched ideas like the Ozawa-CIA link as fact, then the onus is on the poster to provide references. If the poster has reliable information then he or she should tell us where it's from.

That's just common sense. Standard protocol taught in high school (even in Japan).

A. This ain't high school. If you believe something on face value or not, your choice.

B. Take a look around - this here be the internets. Full of misinformation as it is supposed information.

C. This is a public forum, meaning any and all are around. Even weird, freaky and unreliable people.

D. This ain't debate club.

E. Thar also be more information out in those thar hills that can be found on this here interwebs, matey!

F. Not a single clever google link, wikipedia reference or hyperlink in any of the above - tell me I ain't right (but you don't have to, cos, like, see Point D.).

The above is nothing but smarmy cleverness. My real point is thus...

Like I said before, if people around here had more Japanese ability, friends etc who are Japanese they would be be more open/susceptible to rather different world views which do not primarily draw from English language largely Anglo-American sources. Whether they are "true" or not is beside the point. The point being that there are different ways of viewing all of this mess and Take frequently brings an assemblage of bits and bobs to the table which reek as much of conspiracy, navel-gazing and propaganda as they do insight, fresh ideas and just plain oddness.

Sometimes I think people on this board need to do a bit of re-reading of Take...

And yet... anyone, like myself who dares to say so gets anonymously red-snotted, told to eat dick or whatever.

All I'm saying is that, if GG doesn't believe Take that's fine, but why expect some anonymous shit-stirrer on the internet to spoon feed "primary sources"?

[Yokohammer]

Like I said before, if people around here had more Japanese ability, friends etc who are Japanese they would be be more open/susceptible to rather different world views which do not primarily draw from English language largely Anglo-American sources

I got this implication from your previous post too, and I think this might be where you're missing the point.

What gives you the impression that "people around here" have limited or no Japanese ability? What makes you so sure that "people around here" don't have the chops to read and understand Japanese sources? Is it because the board language is English?

If you really believe that's the case, you severely underestimate some of the people you're talking to.

The issue really has nothing to do with world views and, if you can open your own mind wide enough to accept this fact, there's a sizable contingent here on FG.com who are equally at home with English or Japanese, spoken or written.

GG was perfectly within her rights to request supporting evidence.
References please, in English or Japanese. It doesn't matter.
No references, no credibility.

[GomiGirl]

GG was perfectly within her rights to request supporting evidence.
References please, in English or Japanese. It doesn't matter.
No references, no credibility.

This was my point and it wasn't necessarily directed at Take as I would say (and have said) the same to anybody who sprouts controversial opinions without any supporting references.

In actual fact, I quite enjoy having Take around. It is always good to hear lots of opinions but I won't accept these as facts.

[Coligny]

A. This ain't high school. If you believe something on face value or not, your choice.

B. Take a look around - this here be the internets. Full of misinformation as it is supposed information.

C. This is a public forum, meaning any and all are around. Even weird, freaky and unreliable people.

D. This ain't debate club.

E. Thar also be more information out in those thar hills that can be found on this here interwebs, matey!

F. Not a single clever google link, wikipedia reference or hyperlink in any of the above - tell me I ain't right (but you don't have to, cos, like, see Point D.).

The above is nothing but smarmy cleverness. My real point is thus...

Like I said before, if people around here had more Japanese ability, friends etc who are Japanese they would be be more open/susceptible to rather different world views which do not primarily draw from English language largely Anglo-American sources. Whether they are "true" or not is beside the point. The point being that there are different ways of viewing all of this mess and Take frequently brings an assemblage of bits and bobs to the table which reek as much of conspiracy, navel-gazing and propaganda as they do insight, fresh ideas and just plain oddness.

Sometimes I think people on this board need to do a bit of re-reading of Take...

And yet... anyone, like myself who dares to say so gets anonymously red-snotted, told to eat dick or whatever.

All I'm saying is that, if GG doesn't believe Take that's fine, but why expect some anonymous shit-stirrer on the internet to spoon feed "primary sources"?

I think there is a misunderstanding... 4chan is not in this interwab address... Yes there is some senseless talk... But it's not for everything... And as usual... The CIA conspiracy token is sort of warning sticker for "umprovable bullcrap inside" at the same level as a reading of the prophecies of Nostranamus. especially these days where every source repor the CIA as being a mere shadow of what she was in her glory days, with all the real power at the hands of the NSA.

[Mulboyne]

...If you're interested in that Mike Green,check here.....

Thanks for that link. He gave an interview a few days ago which was interesting.

[Yokohammer]

Thanks for that link. He gave an interview a few days ago which was interesting.

Very interesting interview.
Michael Green has a lot of interesting things to say ... if only the &%$# interviewer would stop interrupting him mid-sentence. Exasperatingly unprofessional interviewer.

[Greji]

Exasperatingly unprofessional interviewer.

Nice hairdo though. He seems to want to emulate Nakasone....

[dimwit]

Well, it is going to be close.

This is shaping up to be a fun test to see just how suicidally out of touch the DPJ is.

Survey shows Kan, Ozawa in close fight
The Yomiuri Shimbun

Prime Minister Naoto Kan and former Democratic Party of Japan Secretary General Ichiro Ozawa are neck and neck in the race for party president, according to a Yomiuri Shimbun survey conducted Friday on DPJ lawmakers and others eligible to vote in the leadership election.

Kan, who is the current party leader, and Ozawa are believed to have the support of about 160 party legislators each for the Sept. 14 election, according to the poll taken two days after official campaigning began. About 90 DPJ lawmakers have yet to disclose which candidate they will favor in the two-person race. Whom these legislators support in the race is being closely watched, as the party leader is virtually certain to become prime minister.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T100904002208.htm