J-Police: REQUEST FOR COOPERATION

[matsuki]

Was working from home today and had the popo come a knockin'

Fortunately it wasn't about Coligny and me shooting our latest bukkake flick here.....there were enough lemurs crowded in this place to wake the entire neighborhood and I was sure we'd get complaints!

Instead the d00d handed me this...

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and this...

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...and about 5 mins later he came back and handed me this (despite me speaking fluent Japanese to him )

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Guy went door to door to everyone in the building, like a Mormon or JW type...so it's not lookin' like some elaborate ploy against the gaijin in the neighborhood BUT you'd think the popo's would already have access to this type of information as you register it all with the local shiyakusho...soo I'm sitting here asking WTF?

[Mike Oxlong]

It was pretty common for new officers on the beat to come around to all the neighborhood households and introduce themselves, and get some intelinfo on everyone living there, back when I was living up where you used to live, and Coligny still does.

[Russell]

Yes, I would tell the popo to get this information from the Shiyakusho.

There is no legal requirement to fill out those forms.

[Edit:] Just had a discussion with the Missus, who told me that this is normal in Japan. After all, when there is a fire in your home, it is "convenient" for the police to know how many people live there. They may also be able to check with the neighborhood, but in a big city the neighborhood might not know. And the info at the Shiyakusho may be false (well, actually, for foreigners it cannot be false, because they are legally required to report any changes in their info in a timely manner). My refusal to provide this info to the popos would raise suspicions, according to the Missus. For me, that would actually be an additional reason not to provide my personal info. And with the rise of fascists like Hashimoto from Osaka, one cannot be careful enough...

[GomiGirl]

Yeah this is mainly for disaster planning. A local record of who is in the neighbourhood so they can check on everybody in the event of something "bad" happening.

It is fairly benign and it does make sense to have a local record of who lives where - FG and J-Nationals. Unless you are complete conspiracy nut or just a general arsehole, there is no real reason to not comply. They are not asking for your fingerprints or singling out the FG's. Everybody seems to get the same treatment.

Technically you are supposed to go to your local Koban after you move into a new area to let them know who you are but nobody ever does it so they often just send the guys around from time to time.

I think it just gives the koban guys something to do when there has been a lull in bike robberies to investigate and no lost property to record.

[Coligny]

Yes, I would tell the popo to get this information from the Shiyakusho.

I'm pretty sure they don't have the start of the right of even dreaming to access these database without good reason and only for a restricted number of queries...

That would explain why they take this approach to build their own database...

Now... the fire excuse is your typical bullshit rationalisation... it don't make a fucking sense but flood the conversation so deep in a brown tide that nobody want to go back to actually try to think a bit more on the topic...
In a plane crash or school fire it's good to know who was inside, for sure, based on a daily attendance sheet...

In a house fire... just count the cadavers when it's over... but while it's burning... relying on a database entry for the number of people that are to be rescued would be facepalmingly idiotic...

A local record of who is in the neighbourhood so they can check on everybody in the event of something "bad" happening.

After all we've seen in the field of "not giving a flying fuck" and "tsunami evacuation preparedness MY ASS" you can still manage to keep this vision ? Once again, your faith in mankind impress me...

[wuchan]

I know people may not agree with my tactics BUT....




This happened to me one month after the house was built. A huge foreign looking target in a rice field.

8pm, 20 hundred hours to the locals. five cops on supercubs rolled up on my grilling party. One gets off his moped and tries to gaijin card the the whole crowd. I promptly shine my tactical maglite in his face and demand ID. He reaches for his buckled side arm but he can't see due to the 2000 lumin flash. 20 seconds later, after he fails to find his own side arm, he realizes that everyone is laughing at him.

the five ride off into the dark... nothing happens and we all had a good laugh.

[Russell]

This happened to me one month after the house was built. A huge foreign looking target in a rice field.

8pm, 20 hundred hours to the locals. five cops on supercubs rolled up on my grilling party. One gets off his moped and tries to gaijin card the the whole crowd. I promptly shine my tactical maglite in his face and demand ID. He reaches for his buckled side arm but he can't see due to the 2000 lumin flash. 20 seconds later, after he fails to find his own side arm, he realizes that everyone is laughing at him.

the five ride off into the dark... nothing happens and we all had a good laugh.

LOL. And he didn't come around later with these forms, right?

[matsuki]

I know people may not agree with my tactics BUT....




This happened to me one month after the house was built. A huge foreign looking target in a rice field.

8pm, 20 hundred hours to the locals. five cops on supercubs rolled up on my grilling party. One gets off his moped and tries to gaijin card the the whole crowd. I promptly shine my tactical maglite in his face and demand ID. He reaches for his buckled side arm but he can't see due to the 2000 lumin flash. 20 seconds later, after he fails to find his own side arm, he realizes that everyone is laughing at him.

the five ride off into the dark... nothing happens and we all had a good laugh.

He tried to go for his gun after you asked for ID?

I'm no conspiracy nutjob nor am I wanting to be difficult...seems totally innocent and not targeting FG....BUT when you look at the data they're asking for (especially the FG version), it's more than just to ID you. FG version asks for nationality, term of residence, and the now dead alien reg. card no?? In the event of emergency, I can see them using this info, weeks after the emergency but nothing immediately helpful....but should there be a real emergency, this type of spot check is far from accurate (no way to check on any of the validity of the data) or complete....so I'd imagine they'd use the more accurate and pretty complete shiyakusho records when the need arises. Once again, I don't think it's a targeting FG deal BUT TIJ and I can see the police pulling some retarded shit with this info, in my case in particular, so I don't think I'm going to feed the trollin' popo.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I only had this happen once and I told the guy I was moving in a month so there was no point which was actually true. What bothered me about it was that I lived in a building with controlled access so I wasn't sure how the he got in. My currently building also has a locked front door so I've only received these forms in my mailbox. I just threw them away.

It is fairly benign and it does make sense to have a local record of who lives where - FG and J-Nationals. Unless you are complete conspiracy nut or just a general arsehole, there is no real reason to not comply.

I'd say you're an asshole for complying.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Not sure post-July Immigration Law changes, but prior to that the shiyakusho could not give out alien card info to anyone (thanks Zanichis!).
Now it's all run by Immigration, I'm sure authorities will be able to tap into our private info at will.
Under the new law, we may be obligated to provide cops with the information they're seeking (couldn't be fucked Googling). If so, we should comply.
If not, tell Plod to go fuck himself.

P.S. From what I can tell, that form violates the Individual Information Privacy Law, which obligates those collecting private information to formally state the purpose of collection and duration/method of retaining the information. Not that the cops in this cuntry give a fuck about upholding the law, anyway, but...

[Coligny]

It is fairly benign and it does make sense to have a local record of who lives where - FG and J-Nationals. Unless you are complete conspiracy nut or just a general arsehole, there is no real reason to not comply.

I'd say you're an asshole for complying.

I will just leave this here:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm? ... _id=998565

Basically the setup is not:

If I've done nothing wrong, I have nothing to hide.

But instead:

If i've done nothing wrong, I have nothing to say.

Which conflict with your local busybody who like to fill in blanks with the wildest theories.


Which is why, in the hood, I practice the bowel movement school of conversation. And in borked japanese it reach new heights of efficiency. People around just know that I always answer to question with a smile... but also understand after the first encounter that any conversation can last for hours but will invariably go down to irritable bowel syndroms talks... That leaves apparently no room for mysteries and not much desire to ask for more info...

[wuchan]

I know people may not agree with my tactics BUT....




This happened to me one month after the house was built. A huge foreign looking target in a rice field.

8pm, 20 hundred hours to the locals. five cops on supercubs rolled up on my grilling party. One gets off his moped and tries to gaijin card the the whole crowd. I promptly shine my tactical maglite in his face and demand ID. He reaches for his buckled side arm but he can't see due to the 2000 lumin flash. 20 seconds later, after he fails to find his own side arm, he realizes that everyone is laughing at him.

the five ride off into the dark... nothing happens and we all had a good laugh.

He tried to go for his gun after you asked for ID?

I'm no conspiracy nutjob nor am I wanting to be difficult...seems totally innocent and not targeting FG....BUT when you look at the data they're asking for (especially the FG version), it's more than just to ID you. FG version asks for nationality, term of residence, and the now dead alien reg. card no?? In the event of emergency, I can see them using this info, weeks after the emergency but nothing immediately helpful....but should there be a real emergency, this type of spot check is far from accurate (no way to check on any of the validity of the data) or complete....so I'd imagine they'd use the more accurate and pretty complete shiyakusho records when the need arises. Once again, I don't think it's a targeting FG deal BUT TIJ and I can see the police pulling some retarded shit with this info, in my case in particular, so I don't think I'm going to feed the trollin' popo.

He reached for his pistol after I raised a modified 4D maglite into the air and blinded him.

one of therse:



he didn't have a baton on him so I guess the pistol was the only weapon he was equipped with that day. In his defense, I could have knocked him cold after I blinded him.

[GomiGirl]

Yeah yeah yeah - everybody is a hero when it comes to standing up to authority and being a hero.

But if the shit ever really does hit the fan in my neighbourhood, I for one would like for people to know that I live there and would like to be accounted for. If that makes me an arsehole then so be it.

Or it makes me a pollyanna, then so be it too. I just won't feel like a hypocrite if I whinge about poor disaster management when I know I have done my bit to make it easier on the people trying to execute a disaster plan - flawed as it will undoubtably be.

For those who actively hinder people trying to do their jobs, then I will have little sympathy when you grumble about "authority". The view is pretty good from the cheap seats aren't they? Not everything is a conspiracy against the little guy. Some people are just average Joes trying to do their jobs in a flawed system.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Yeah yeah yeah - everybody is a hero when it comes to standing up to authority and being a hero.

But if the shit ever really does hit the fan in my neighbourhood, I for one would like for people to know that I live there and would like to be accounted for. If that makes me an arsehole then so be it.

Or it makes me a pollyanna, then so be it too. I just won't feel like a hypocrite if I whinge about poor disaster management when I know I have done my bit to make it easier on the people trying to execute a disaster plan - flawed as it will undoubtably be.

For those who actively hinder people trying to do their jobs, then I will have little sympathy when you grumble about "authority". The view is pretty good from the cheap seats aren't they? Not everything is a conspiracy against the little guy. Some people are just average Joes trying to do their jobs in a flawed system.

They're doing their job which is fine. I have no problem with them asking. However, I see no reason to comply. Especially when it comes to the 5-0. I fucking hate pigs.

[matsuki]

P.S. From what I can tell, that form violates the Individual Information Privacy Law, which obligates those collecting private information to formally state the purpose of collection and duration/method of retaining the information. Not that the cops in this cuntry give a fuck about upholding the law, anyway, but...

Well there yah go...purpose is stated but duration, method, etc. not there. This is the land of no accountability and case by case BS when it comes to the popo's. BTW, if you look at the forms, there are holes on the side, a good indication this is going to become a book, a fooooooking book in 2012....not a computerized database...what a waste of trees...

Yeah yeah yeah - everybody is a hero when it comes to standing up to authority and being a hero.

But if the shit ever really does hit the fan in my neighbourhood, I for one would like for people to know that I live there and would like to be accounted for. If that makes me an arsehole then so be it.

Or it makes me a pollyanna, then so be it too. I just won't feel like a hypocrite if I whinge about poor disaster management when I know I have done my bit to make it easier on the people trying to execute a disaster plan - flawed as it will undoubtably be.

For those who actively hinder people trying to do their jobs, then I will have little sympathy when you grumble about "authority". The view is pretty good from the cheap seats aren't they? Not everything is a conspiracy against the little guy. Some people are just average Joes trying to do their jobs in a flawed system.

As I said before though, this haphazard database is going to be nowhere near complete and with no way to verify the information or how it's submitted, one could easily write in one of Japan's most wanted's names and the addy of an annoying neighbor for some fun. Honestly, I don't even think the cops are in charge of disaster management, I asked where the nearest evacuation area was when I first moved to the area and the 2 jiji's at the koban had to phone in to HQ to find out. Like I said before, should a disaster actually occur, the shiyakusho has all my up to date info. No doubt that's where the responders will go for info as it is the most complete and detailed info available.

[edit] LOL, the boss (Japanese) told me the last one he filled out the comments section as "I hate cops, don't come to my house again." He hasn't got one since

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Especially when it comes to the 5-0. I fucking hate pigs.

Me, too....cool intro, though.

[Coligny]

Yeah yeah yeah - everybody is a hero when it comes to standing up to authority and being a hero.

But if the shit ever really does hit the fan in my neighbourhood, I for one would like for people to know that I live there and would like to be accounted for. If that makes me an arsehole then so be it.

And now the freedom against safety cliche...

If you want to find people do it like the Nazis in 1942 give this task to the postman... He's the only one who will reliably know where is everyone down to the pets... The police and there voluntary database, that have no stated purpose, will certainly not be shared with firemen or rescue crews for legal and technical reason, not so much...

YOU'RE NOT POLYANNA... YOU'RE KELLY BUNDY... I shall nao callz youz Pumpkin...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

...if you look at the forms, there are holes on the side, a good indication this is going to become a book, a fooooooking book in 2012....not a computerized database...what a waste of trees...

You really want them to have a computerized database?

(Actually, it'd probably be pretty safe in a place where nobody knows how to use it, but if it got into the wrong hands...)

[GomiGirl]

YOU'RE NOT POLYANNA... YOU'RE KELLY BUNDY... I shall nao callz youz Pumpkin...

Kelly Bundy - thanks for the compliment - she had great looking tits. Hair was a bit over processed though. Just wondering though, was she any relation to Ted Bundy - he wasn't a very nice chap was he?

mmm pumpkins - they are my fave vegetable.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Kelly Bundy - thanks for the compliment - she had great looking tits.

"Had" being the operative word as she went through a double mastectomy...(Hate to harp on a point, but mammograms...)

Bundy for me will always be as much about coke as Ted.

[Mock Cockpit]

Can't see why this shouldn't apply in Japan or anywhere else for that matter. Long, probable re-post, but absolutely brilliant.

[GomiGirl]

Sure - whinge and moan about the coppers but where is the first place you run to if you feel your rights (or driveways) are being violated?

I am not apologising for them, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy.

But any, 'tis all moot as Goodwin's law has been invoked.

[Coligny]

Sure - whinge and moan about the coppers but where is the first place you run to if you feel your rights (or driveways) are being violated?

I don't moan against them cops, if you do a quick search back, you'll see that I quite often side with the Japanese ones... (now since I hate inbred alcoholics you might not see me taking the same side with french cops). I moan aboot the scope of their intelligence work.

And as a good kapitalist pig in training. I CRINGE AT THE IDEA THAT SOME INSTITUTION FEEL THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET INTEL FOR FREE JUST BY ASKING.

I am not apologising for them, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy.

See (1) there is nothing hypocrite in wanting the cops do their jobs (traffic regulation, fighting criminality). And avoid doing what is IN NO WAY their jobs. (collecting random intelligence without mandate or explicit purpose). You try to create a purpose to justify their actions... But it just don't work... If the poop hit the fan, certainly outdated (attendance list are a daily affair) probably innaccessible anyway and therefore their database would be next to useless, .

But any, 'tis all moot as Goodwin's law has been invoked.

PUMPKIN, you are adorable, but sometimes I wonder if it's that safe to let you out of the kitchen...

IN 1942 OCCUPIED FRANCE. It was common practice for the german army to head straight to the post office when they were searching for someone and get the postman to lead them to the person targetted. Many postmen were shoot either by the germans for lack of collaboration or by last minutes "freedom fighters" (those that joined the resistance around 25 minutes before germany surrendered) as a revenge against those who led the german to the proper address...

SO IT'S FUCKING NOT A CASE OF GODWIN LAW... it's a case of failure of the australian edumacation system...

Nao what's for diner ? (*)



(*) i need ideas to prepare mine...

[Mock Cockpit]

Sure - whinge and moan about the coppers but where is the first place you run to if you feel your rights (or driveways) are being violated?

I am not apologising for them, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy.

But any, 'tis all moot as Goodwin's law has been invoked.

I have absolutely no expectations that the police (not just in Japan) have any interest in helping me whatsoever. Consequently they should have no expectations as to my co-operation. I want nothing to do with them. Ymmv.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Sure - whinge and moan about the coppers but where is the first place you run to if you feel your rights (or driveways) are being violated?

Mum...

[Samurai_Jerk]

Sure - whinge and moan about the coppers but where is the first place you run to if you feel your rights (or driveways) are being violated?

I've never bought this argument because the police often have a monopoly on certain activities so there's no alternative. You have to call them whether you like them or not. It's like hiring a lawyer or going to a Japanese dentist. They suck ass but sometimes you have to use them.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

It's like hiring a lawyer or going to a Japanese dentist. They suck ass but sometimes you have to use them.

I would kill for a lawyer who sucked arse...every one I've ever dealt has just fucked me up mine (and taunted me for not using lube). Metaphorically speaking, of course. (Though I often wonder whether it ultimately would have been less humiliating had I simply let them have their way with me...)

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Kinda, sorta topic related...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/12/man-pays-137-traffic-ticket-with-origami-pigs_n_1877766.html

[Papa-Lazarou]

Why is approximately 90% of all Japanese police work dedicated to stopping and questioning cyclists?

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Why is approximately 90% of all Japanese police work dedicated to stopping and questioning cyclists?

What a silly question...at least 20% of police work in this cuntry is measuring with a tape measure.