We Japaneeese children

[matsuki]

So having dated more single mothers here than anyone ever should, I've witnessed a variety of fatherless J-children...from well adjusted/behaved lil angels to the spoiled monster children that are future chinpiras in training. Having not raised children in the US, I could be a bit off base here but I've seen some surprising recent Japaneeeeeze trends in behavior/parenting that have been beyond annoying. Any of you parents care to comment? Have other trends to add?

1.) Calling their mother by her first name. For example, if mother's name is Hiroko, the kid keeps calling her Hiroko-chan. I've met at least 5 kids that do this (not all of them are fatherless) and the kids definitely act as if they are on the same level as the parent. (ordering them around an such) The best part is in public when the kid is calling the mother by her first name and those around them are all confused as to who this person is and who the mother is, etc.

2.) Long hair no care....I know Japanese love to make everything as cute as possible but growing their lil boy's hair out to feminine lengths gets only one other result than cuteness...."What a cute lil girl you have there!" Judging by the boy's angry reactions to being called oneesan, it ain't doing the kid no favors in the self esteem department. It just seems like trouble that could be avoided but maybe it's just me?

3.) Punishment by locking the kid outside the house/apartment/etc. In this land of pedophiles, you'd think you'd want to lock your kids inside the house but I've yet to meet a J-parent here yet that doesn't using the "lock em out" punishment. We all know how even as adults, it's like the ultimate group think punishment ever to a Japanese to be ignored/excluded/etc. but when you're talking about 2,3, 4yo children, it seems a bit much and early? One mother told me she wasn't worried because she was able watch the kid from her window (7 stories up from the ground floor of the building she had locked her daughter out of) but had "never thought of" some AKB follower-type pedo snatching the kid while all she could do is watch from 7 stories up.

4.) Sleeping in the same bed from day 1 to...is there even a limit? I can understand it to some extent with babies and real lil ones but I swear the concept of cradles is lost in this country....

[Coligny]

4- without central heating it can cut drastricraly on the heating bill, in the bunker, previously just for our 2nd floor, Me, Me Cats, Me Julie, Me Baby... 4 rooms, 4 electric heaters, 4x 1500W... 24/24 for 4-5 month a year... The cost add up to New Mercobenz level quite fast... Put every one in the same room... no heater needed...

1- I nevar called my parents neither Mom nor Dad... If you don't do the job, you don't get the title... end of story...
Always call the inlaws directly Mom and Dad (for the opposite reason) should see the 'd4fuQ' face of people around when they realise whom I talk to...

[matsuki]

1- I nevar called my parents neither Mom nor Dad... If you don't do the job, you don't get the title... end of story...
Always call the inlaws directly Mom and Dad (for the opposite reason) should see the 'd4fuQ' face of people around when they realise whom I talk to...

Hahaha, well let's say the moms are doing the job for the most part....but letting the kids walk all over them.

4- without central heating it can cut drastricraly on the heating bill, in the bunker, previously just for our 2nd floor, Me, Me Cats, Me Julie, Me Baby... 4 rooms, 4 electric heaters, 4x 1500W... 24/24 for 4-5 month a year... The cost add up to New Mercobenz level quite fast... Put every one in the same room... no heater needed...

Same room is understandable to a certain age...but same bed? Also, you leave the heater on at night? I wake up not wanting to get out of bed but always just heat the room up at night before sleeping, then kill the heater before knocking out. BTW, I took your advice with the gas heaters (3,000yen a piece and really low electricity bill) and hardly ever use my electric heater...time to drag it to the office where it will see use and be on their bill, not mine.

[Coligny]

Gaz heaters are AWESOME...

Got one in the workshop... warm a 12 mat room in few minutes... another in the kitchen... same deal... barely noticeable on the bill

[cstaylor]

1.) Calling their mother by her first name. For example, if mother's name is Hiroko, the kid keeps calling her Hiroko-chan.

Sometimes they're just copying what other people are saying. My nephews call me by my first name, so then my son copies them, but I correct him immediately, and he doesn't persist.

2.) Long hair no care....I know Japanese love to make everything as cute as possible but growing their lil boy's hair out to feminine lengths gets only one other result than cuteness...."What a cute lil girl you have there!" Judging by the boy's angry reactions to being called oneesan, it ain't doing the kid no favors in the self esteem department. It just seems like trouble that could be avoided but maybe it's just me?

Google Image Cache came up empty, but according to several accounts Sarte and MacArthur were both in long hair at that age.

Punishment by locking the kid outside the house/apartment/etc.

Agreed. How is this punishment, especially if the kid likes playing outside?

Sleeping in the same bed from day 1 to...is there even a limit?

Children having their own room is a recent western luxury. If you can afford it that early in your marriage when the kids are small, you're a small minority in this country.

Edit: I'm tempted to label posts like this: "chokonenjinron" or "warewareamericanjin".

[matsuki]

1.) Calling their mother by her first name. For example, if mother's name is Hiroko, the kid keeps calling her Hiroko-chan.

Sometimes they're just copying what other people are saying. My nephews call me by my first name, so then my son copies them, but I correct him immediately, and he doesn't persist.

You called it...but these mama's do not correct them. All them were "friends" with their kids...or so they claimed. (from my POV, they were letting the kids walk all over them and did the usual shoganai or accepted it rather than correct this or other behavior)

2.) Long hair no care....I know Japanese love to make everything as cute as possible but growing their lil boy's hair out to feminine lengths gets only one other result than cuteness...."What a cute lil girl you have there!" Judging by the boy's angry reactions to being called oneesan, it ain't doing the kid no favors in the self esteem department. It just seems like trouble that could be avoided but maybe it's just me?

Google Image Cache came up empty, but according to several accounts Sarte and MacArthur were both in long hair at that age.

What year was it then? I know they used to actually dress up lil boys as lil girls in the US but not in 2013.

Sleeping in the same bed from day 1 to...is there even a limit?

Children having their own room is a recent western luxury. If you can afford it that early in your marriage when the kids are small, you're a small minority in this country.

Same bed...BED, not room. Put a crib in the room and you're in the same room and not the same bed. (no wonder the Japanese are known for sexless marriages...)

Edit: I'm tempted to label posts like this: "chokonenjinron" or "warewareamericanjin".

Hey now, I prefaced it with 'Having not raised children in the US, I could be a bit off base here ' as I am basing all this off of my own experiences.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I guess this is related to the topic ...

A couple of times recently I've found little kids left alone in bicycle child seats in front of stores while the parent or whoever was pedaling went inside to buy something. One time was on particularly windy day where parked bikes were being blown over left and right. That level of stupidity and negligence is un-fucking-forgivable.

Anyway, I have to agree with cstaylor that choko seems to be suffering from warewareamerikajin syndrome.

BTW, sleeping in the same bed as an infant is dangerous for the infant. People have been known to roll over in their sleep and smother their babies.

[cstaylor]

All them were "friends" with their kids...or so they claimed.

This is probably cause #1 for the entitled worldview of Japan's young men.

What year was it then? I know they used to actually dress up lil boys as lil girls in the US but not in 2013.

Different cultures, different norms; 十人十色だ。

Same bed...BED, not room. Put a crib in the room and you're in the same room and not the same bed. (no wonder the Japanese are known for sexless marriages...)

You must live in a luxury apartment, because there's no way we could fit our bed and a crib in the same room.

Hey now, I prefaced it with 'Having not raised children in the US, I could be a bit off base here ' as I am basing all this off of my own experiences.

That's my point: you're comparing apples and oranges, just like Mr. Four Seasons Our Intestines Are Longer Nihonjinron.

[cstaylor]

So having dated more single mothers here than anyone ever should, I've witnessed a variety of fatherless J-children...

I almost missed this gem, and produced isn't spelled "witnessed".

[matsuki]

Anyway, I have to agree with cstaylor that choko seems to be suffering from warewareamerikajin syndrome.

BTW, sleeping in the same bed as an infant is dangerous for the infant. People have been known to roll over in their sleep and smother their babies.

Please point out how so. I can admit when i'm wrong.

One of my points when i'm asked about it, you can't control how you toss, turn, and roll when you sleep.


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[matsuki]

What year was it then? I know they used to actually dress up lil boys as lil girls in the US but not in 2013.

Different cultures, different norms; 十人十色だ。

If it was a norm, they wouldn't be being confused as girls...

Same bed...BED, not room. Put a crib in the room and you're in the same room and not the same bed. (no wonder the Japanese are known for sexless marriages...)

You must live in a luxury apartment, because there's no way we could fit our bed and a crib in the same room.

Ehhh, I have a queen size in my 6jo bedroom and still have room for my hockey gear, two tables, and a heater...with plenty of room to walk around the bed. Crib would fit in there no problem.

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[Mike Oxlong]

One of my points when i'm asked about it, you can't control how you toss, turn, and roll when you sleep.

It seems to be somewhat dangerous in Western situations, where soft beds are more common, and floor-sleeping is less so. That doesn't make it inherently dangerous, but something that should be considered in light of the cultural situation. Men in Japan often sleep separately from mother & child, so use of alcohol or other drugs has less of an impact.

[matsuki]

So having dated more single mothers here than anyone ever should, I've witnessed a variety of fatherless J-children...

I almost missed this gem, and produced isn't spelled "witnessed".

Ouch, again with a shot below the belt. Let me guess...did you find those pics of me and your wife on her keitai? She promised to delete them!

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[matsuki]

One of my points when i'm asked about it, you can't control how you toss, turn, and roll when you sleep.

It seems to be somewhat dangerous in Western situations, where soft beds are more common, and floor-sleeping is less so. That doesn't make it inherently dangerous, but something that should be considered in light of the cultural situation. Men in Japan often sleep separately from mother & child, so use of alcohol or other drugs has less of an impact.

Could be a lil less likely on a futon but yeah, if you're not sleeping with the wife anyway, not the same problem for the husband.

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[Mike Oxlong]

One of my points when i'm asked about it, you can't control how you toss, turn, and roll when you sleep.

It seems to be somewhat dangerous in Western situations, where soft beds are more common, and floor-sleeping is less so. That doesn't make it inherently dangerous, but something that should be considered in light of the cultural situation. Men in Japan often sleep separately from mother & child, so use of alcohol or other drugs has less of an impact.

Could be a lil less likely on a futon but yeah, if you're not sleeping with the wife anyway, not the same problem for the husband.

It appears Japan has a far lower rate than the US in this regard...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... ality_rate

[Coligny]

Bullshit, you need to be loaded like a fucking ICBM to smother anything during your sleep.
I've been sleeping with cats for nearly all my life on bed and coaches of every size there never was any single accident nor close call. Babies are not more of a problem, and they usually sleep at pillow level, what do you think could smother them ? unless you have Rosie O'Donnel's chin... not much chance there...
The biggest problem is that your nose is in first line for baby farts... and that's puke inducing nasty stuff... you wake up in panic trying to find a bucket to vomit...

[IparryU]

One of my points when i'm asked about it, you can't control how you toss, turn, and roll when you sleep.

It seems to be somewhat dangerous in Western situations, where soft beds are more common, and floor-sleeping is less so. That doesn't make it inherently dangerous, but something that should be considered in light of the cultural situation. Men in Japan often sleep separately from mother & child, so use of alcohol or other drugs has less of an impact.

Could be a lil less likely on a futon but yeah, if you're not sleeping with the wife anyway, not the same problem for the husband.

It appears Japan has a far lower rate than the US in this regard...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... ality_rate

Wasn't there that case where a mom was sleeping with her baby on the couch when she was baked and she rolled over and slept on it until it died? The husband came home and she pretended that everything was normal until the dad finally realized that the baby wasn't doing much...

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[cstaylor]

Let me guess...did you find those pics of me and your wife on her keitai? She promised to delete them!

To widen your repertoire of comebacks.

[Coligny]

We finally found the remains of the guy who was doing the manual index at the beginning of yahoo in the early 90'

who might even still exist in fact:
http://dir.yahoo.com/

[cstaylor]

This post was made by Coligny who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

Thank God for small miracles.

[Coligny]

Is he also going to report on every viagra-boobs-enhancer mail caught by his spamfilter ? because that can get old really fast too...

LOOK AT MEEEE, I'M IGNORING THESE POSTERS... LOOK LOOK AT MEEEE... pretty please...

[matsuki]

Bullshit, you need to be loaded like a fucking ICBM to smother anything during your sleep.
I've been sleeping with cats for nearly all my life on bed and coaches of every size there never was any single accident nor close call. Babies are not more of a problem, and they usually sleep at pillow level, what do you think could smother them ? unless you have Rosie O'Donnel's chin... not much chance there...
The biggest problem is that your nose is in first line for baby farts... and that's puke inducing nasty stuff... you wake up in panic trying to find a bucket to vomit...

Doesn't take much to smother a baby, they aren't exactly stationary and neither are most adults...hell, they can smother themselves if you give em a blanket.

http://www.mamamia.com.au/parenting/co- ... dangerous/

Anyhow, my original point was more along the lines of smothering the kids with mama and sleeping with them at ages that just seems too much. 5yo, 7yo, friend's 18yo cousin still sleeps with her mom in a single futon.

Let me guess...did you find those pics of me and your wife on her keitai? She promised to delete them!

To widen your repertoire of comebacks.

I'll do you one better...

http://www.imhpj.org/index.php

Seriously, go seek some help man. You're lashing out at more than just me and for what?

[yanpa]

5yo, 7yo, friend's 18yo cousin still sleeps with her mom in a single futon.

And to think I used to wonder why one could find so many "family" videos

Seriously, go seek some help man. You're lashing out at more than just me and for what?

He has Coligny on ignore mode again

[cstaylor]

Seriously, go seek some help man. You're lashing out at more than just me and for what?

If you air your dirty laundry on a forum, expect some feedback. If you want that feedback managed to your liking, start a blog.

[Samurai_Jerk]

choko, you have to expect that with the kind of shit you post, some people are going to have a strong reaction. Bragging about how many chicks you've banged, baby momma's, etc. doesn't sit well with everyone.

[cstaylor]

Bragging about how many chicks you've banged

Not what I'd usually talk about, especially with strangers, but not everyone's a gentleman on the Internet.

baby momma's, etc. doesn't sit well with everyone.

I have to admit that his (lame) excuses made me think less of him, but I'd say his constant harping on Japan and Japanese culture ("We Japaneeese children" for example) in a derogatory way gets old pretty quickly.

[Coligny]

He has Coligny on ignore mode again

Fuck yeah, he even got the t-shirt and the aftermarket shits by now, cafe press and all...

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[Coligny]

Bragging about how many chicks you've banged

Not what I'd usually talk about, especially with strangers, but not everyone's a gentleman on the Internet.

Raaahhh lovely, the holier than thou judgemental asshole but with a kikoolol smiley, just missing the wikipedia link to the usual circus parade...

If you air your dirty laundry on a forum, expect some feedback. If you want that feedback managed to your liking, start a blog.

Once again, your concept of feedback is deranging... shitting on the carpet is usually not what people call "feedback"... That's barely an answer...

chokonen888 wrote:So having dated more single mothers here than anyone ever should, I've witnessed a variety of fatherless J-children...

I almost missed this gem, and produced isn't spelled "witnessed".

Thats not feedback... that's being a doosh... hollier than thou... doosh...

Car analogy time... Turning the wheels and feeling the steering getting lighter as the wheels lose grip... that's feedback...
Turning the wheels and having a guido shooting from the public "my grandmother is faster than you !" is not feedback...
it's being a doosh and trying to build a makeshift relevancy by qualifying it as feedback...
It is also trying to gain attention by trying to cannibalise the audience here for the original poster.

What's the base of your problem ? you didn't receive enough praise as a kid from your parents ? or they wanted to have a girl, a cat or a dog instead ? tell us everything...
(another Free Sportsbar Psychology Tiem... I will try to outdo myself in madness against my previous "GG suffer from th3 lack of p3n1s syndrome *" thesis...)
(* just in case, it's like in "born without" not like in "not getting laid")

[Coligny]

choko, you have to expect that with the kind of shit you post, some people are going to have a strong reaction. Bragging about how many chicks you've banged, baby momma's, etc. doesn't sit well with everyone.

I have an idea for these everyonez...

TH3 IGNORE LIST...

The problem being... these everyone would rather die than not being abul to make a statement aboot their moral and intelectual superiority...

A bit like you... a sociopath without an audience, it's just an hermit... and it's not your goal in life...

[matsuki]

choko, you have to expect that with the kind of shit you post, some people are going to have a strong reaction. Bragging about how many chicks you've banged, baby momma's, etc. doesn't sit well with everyone.

Oh most definitely, it's just that there's a forum/threads for just that...if he doesn't like me or agree with me, he can post it there. By all means, no reason to hold back (you don't, do you SJ?) I'll I'm on about is his need to bring that stuff to other threads...that type of behavior is pretty transparent. Shit's not good at home for him...but I'm not the cause of it nor is flinging poo at me going to help resolve it.