British Agency Boycotts Qantas Over 'No Vaccine, No Flight'

[Buraku]

Travel agency says it will boycott Qantas over compulsory Covid-19 vaccine policy...

Seems like Chinese were ahead of the curve on this universal social credit bullshit?
https://www.traveloffpath.com/travel-ag ... cinations/
You will get your Covid chip card or Corona vaccine stamp on your phone before you move

https://geopolitic.org/2020/11/24/brave ... ne-policy/

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5063197/all

https://libertarianhub.com/2020/11/26/u ... ht-policy/

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... ation.html

https://bookingsempire.com/travel-agenc ... cinations/

threats to boycott Qantas Aussie airline will go bye bye or the Company survives and become part of a new world wide travel order?

[Coligny]

For now they are playing the ‘teacher’s pet’ card.
With a bit of luck the vaccine will be a deadly fiasco and take down with him few labs like pfizer or Bayer who really deserve a slow and painfull death. Can’t wait to shit in the mouth of Quantas’ shareholders though...

Having any ‘health paSSport’ is this open gate to tackle on any other ‘criteria on chip’

[Grumpy Gramps]

Agree on the slow death of Pfizer and Bayer et al (even though I wouldn't live today without their greedy and expensive "help")

OTOH "no vax, no fly" is something I can totally subscribe to. Should be like this on trains, in cinemas, concert halls, sports places, brothels, supermarkets etc. pp. You can't be a good communist without a little communism, can you

[Taro Toporific]

OTOH "no vax, no fly" is something I can totally subscribe to.

I am on the "List" for the second tranche after the frontline nurses and doctors get the vaccine.

I'm more than willing to be a guinea pig...I'm more than proud to help prove the vaccine{s} effectiveness {it will be cool to make my marginal life worth a shit}.

[Wage Slave]

OTOH "no vax, no fly" is something I can totally subscribe to.

I am on the "List" for the second tranche after the frontline nurses and doctors get the vaccine.

I'm more than willing to be a guinea pig...I'm more than proud to help prove the vaccine{s} effectiveness {it will be cool to make my marginal life worth a shit}.

Yes, agreed with you both. I am happy to take whichever vaccine is offered to me.

In fact, whatever airlines might say you will very likely need a vaccine to enter a destination country. Remember those yellow WHO booklets with a vaccination record that we used to have in the seventies? Something similar will be making a return I think. I started life in northern Iraq and Pakistan so have had so many vaccines I don't care a sausage about another one. And from what I have heard from people like Sarah Gilbert, their opinion carries far more weight than internet experts.

[Coligny]

I think that disagreeing with internet experts that only state the usual lifecycle needed to the development of any drugs is effectively a good indicator that you are part of the perfect candidate pool to go and get stuffed (with anything you might fancy ranging from pre-alpha vaccines to advanced green energy carbon neutral dildos)
Mandatory vaccination of all health workers also strongly enter into a warpzone of stupidity rarely seen outside of recycled apocalyptic novels. France in the past (far, as well as last 10 years) have had enough drugs going from omnipotent marvel to useless for their primary purpose with side effects at near zyklon B level of impact that most people have little to no trust in any 2020/2021 model year... vaccine. (Including a drug against morning sickness during pregnancy, that is now forbidden to prescribe to pregnant women because it has been found to trigger foetus malformation and later stage mental development retardation... as one stand up comedian often state "if I was to put this idea into the script of a movie, all producer reading it would throw it in my face and tell me to go fuck myself")

FFS... "gooba gooba yes vaccine !!!" With the remdesvir scandal barely out in plain sight...
A carpet bombing policy from an australian company... the country with one of the most comically disastrous response to the outbreak, all based on a misunderstanding/lie.
I feel like Jane Goodall among those chimps...

[Grumpy Gramps]

Not that Jane Gooddall wasn't highly criticised for how she acted around these chimps, but like in her case, hindsight will show a glimpse of the truth,,, maybe.

I think, it's going to be like always, SARS, swine flu, what else? First year it's a big thing, next year it's included in your regular flu jab and nobody mentions it. I still remember the bird flu 2004 (?~ish), when my doctor urged me to get that very special shot, our little hospital looked like a lazaret in a war zone and it was not fun at all, but my wife was denied, she was not sick enough to qualify. I guess it's going to be similar this time around.

[blabby]

OTOH "no vax, no fly" is something I can totally subscribe to.

I am on the "List" for the second tranche after the frontline nurses and doctors get the vaccine.

I'm more than willing to be a guinea pig...I'm more than proud to help prove the vaccine{s} effectiveness {it will be cool to make my marginal life worth a shit}.

Sorry if I am a little off topic, but I have chronic asthma so technically I should be "high risk". Does anyone know what the procedure will be to get the vaccine as soon as possible in Japan? Is there some kind of "list"?

[Taro Toporific]

[Sorry if I am a little off topic, but I have chronic asthma so technically I should be "high risk". Does anyone know what the procedure will be to get the vaccine as soon as possible in Japan? Is there some kind of "list"?

Hi blabby!

Long time no hear.

I am on the "List-that-doesn't-really-exist" for Ota Ward of Tokyo for the second tranche of "at risk" persons: elderly, handicapped, medical risk folks. The first tranche will be doctors, nurses, EMT, some cops, and I bet politicians.

From what my doctors tell me, everywhere is different but will be following the Health Ministry's Guideline whenever it is announced---No official announcement until next year.

If you haven't touched base with your regular GP recently, go in for your regular flu shot (it's free this year for at risk persons, otherwise 3,200yen) and ask your doctor to be on the "List" that doesn't really exist. Basically, you just have to remind your regular physician to be aware of your need so you can jump the line a bit. Sadly, there are so many old farts like me clogging up the "Line" that jumping the queue will only get in another long queue.

Surprisingly, public health nurses and school nurses won't be frog marching people in assembly line fashion like I remember they did to me for polio vaccine. Because of my handicap, I have a public health nurse visit me very regularly and she surprising said she would not be giving me my vaccine shot.

[matsuki]

Not that Jane Gooddall wasn't highly criticised for how she acted around these chimps, but like in her case, hindsight will show a glimpse of the truth,,, maybe.

I think, it's going to be like always, SARS, swine flu, what else? First year it's a big thing, next year it's included in your regular flu jab and nobody mentions it. I still remember the bird flu 2004 (?~ish), when my doctor urged me to get that very special shot, our little hospital looked like a lazaret in a war zone and it was not fun at all, but my wife was denied, she was not sick enough to qualify. I guess it's going to be similar this time around.

I'm not as worried as Coligny but at the same time, he's not wrong to be worried either given what he's cited and other historical fuck ups. On the other hand, by the time us peasants have access to the vaccine, the first several tranches will be done and we should be already hearing about any immediate adverse side effects if there are any. (let's just hope nothing long term rears later)

[Mike Oxlong]

Let's just hope there are no infertility, cancer, CNS/PNS or other health effects long term, huh? That is a helluva gamble...

[matsuki]

Let's just hope there are no infertility, cancer, CNS/PNS or other health effects long term, huh? That is a helluva gamble...

I'm with you on the general caution mindset but based on what I understand about vaccines...and I'm no physician...but it's not very likely we'll see anything remotely like that. That being said, short term side-effects are a more documented concern and I definitely won't be putting my arm out for the first tranches.

Yes, if health workers/those at risk people are vaccinated, the younger/healthy people can generally deal with this mess without the same panic or the need for a vaccine. (unless/until the virus mutates enough to not be stopped by the vaccines and the cycle begins again) My family members that were infected have all quickly recovered without any lingering issues. Unfortunately, because of my international travel, I just don't see a way out of not being vaccinated once they become widely available. Even if it's not required by country A, B or C, if country F requires it, I'm F'd

[Grumpy Gramps]

Well, I have the advantage of age. If this thing kills me, then so be it, it's about time for me to go anyway. For you whippersnappers it is likely a bit more of a worry.

[Coligny]

Let the magic begin, it is christmas after all...

AstraZeneca's Dosage Error Casts a Cloud of Doubt around Entire COVID-19 Clinical Trial

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/busi ... xford.html

If at every new disaster we have a new pool of people deciding it’s time to take a massive shit on established rules and regulations we might be running out of common sense before the end of the fiscal year.

[Grumpy Gramps]

Maybe influenced by the modern tech industry? "Move fast and break things", use the consumer as a beta tester etc. OTOH there are billions of surplus people on this planet anyway, so getting these numbers down would be warmly welcomed by mother nature.

[omae mona]

How predictable that the same people that posted nonstop for weeks in 2011 that everybody in Tokyo was going to die of radiation poisoning from Fukushima are back again in 2020 telling us the doctors and scientists are all wrong, again.

[Coligny]

Dear god that retard is still there and as predictable as ever. It’s a fucking color by number at this point...
color of the day is shit-brown, stock up on crayons...

[Grumpy Gramps]

Japan enacts coronavirus vaccine laws

...The revision says people are obligated to make efforts to receive the coronavirus vaccine, and inoculations will be carried out by local municipalities. The Japanese government will fully pay its costs.

If the vaccines are found to cause health problems, the government will pay for the treatment. It will also compensate drug companies for any damages they have to pay to those who have health problems....

So, it will be mandatory, that's fine, and we tax-payers will hold the pharmaceuticals free of all damages, should they fuck up. That's not so fine IMO.

[Coligny]

A wording thay I actively like, just vague enough to let the 7th Fleet pass through without scratching the paint...

And still no news on the chloroquine side. Allowed as anti arthritis drug in Japan...

Call me Neville...

[blabby]

How predictable that the same people that posted nonstop for weeks in 2011 that everybody in Tokyo was going to die of radiation poisoning from Fukushima are back again in 2020 telling us the doctors and scientists are all wrong, again.

It's an unfortunate consequence of our social media lifestyle.

Many people happily consume substances that are KNOWN to cause harm every weekend. People take all sorts of medication and even self-medicate without even thinking about pharmaceutical testing protocols. But suddenly these same people are seriously concerned that trials carried out over multiple months by world-class pharmaceutical companies with almost 50,000 participants are somehow seriously flawed.

People complain that there is too much control by "big brother" and evil governments, yet they can't seem to remember those little yellow vaccination cards that were required for travel when I was very young. I still have mine in my first passport. Thanks to the amazing success of vaccination programs and modern medicine, we now have the luxury of travel to almost everywhere without the need to show proof of vaccination.

[matsuki]

Thanks to the amazing success of vaccination programs and modern medicine, we now have the luxury of travel to almost everywhere without the need to show proof of vaccination.

Indeed....but I think GG hit the nail on the head...nobody here is an anti-vaxxer so let's not overstate their position to the extreme.

Maybe influenced by the modern tech industry? "Move fast and break things", use the consumer as a beta tester etc.

...the accelerated speed of development and trials with these vaccines, coupled with some of the reports of human error in the trials are enough to warrant some concern. How much? As I expressed above, it's not enough concern that I would refuse to get it but it's enough that I don't want to be part of the first waves of it rolling out. (and we likely many of us won't be since those in the medical field and at risk will be the first to get it) Not exactly anti-vaxxer "OMG! but muh freedomz!" level unfounded stubbornness or conspiracy-level fear mongering.

[Taro Toporific]

[ As I expressed above, it's not enough concern that I would refuse to get it but it's enough that I don't want to be part of the first waves of it rolling out. (and we likely many of us won't be since those in the medical field and at risk will be the first to get it)

Saaaaa.

My working-from-home-since-March nephew has got the 'Rona in the sort-of remote Bear Creek, Colorado.

How?

His wife is a school nurse.

ARRRRG!!

Why "arrrg"?

Almost everybody in our family are/were employees/researchers in Pfizer (actually Upjohn Pharma who bought out Pfizer) and we have ways to get the vaccine in the States. The stoooopid skool nurse said she "couldn't be bothered to drive the 40 miles (64km)" to join the the Pfizer Vaccine test group at the University of Colorado Medical Center, arrrrrrrrrg.

[Coligny]

How predictable that the same people that posted nonstop for weeks in 2011 that everybody in Tokyo was going to die of radiation poisoning from Fukushima are back again in 2020 telling us the doctors and scientists are all wrong, again.

It's an unfortunate consequence of our social media lifestyle.

Many people happily consume substances that are KNOWN to cause harm every weekend. People take all sorts of medication and even self-medicate without even thinking about pharmaceutical testing protocols. But suddenly these same people are seriously concerned that trials carried out over multiple months by world-class pharmaceutical companies with almost 50,000 participants are somehow seriously flawed.

on.

Current mortality rate of covid 19: 0.05%

Current framing device: masquerading gene therapy as "vaccine"... so, if you are against it, you are an anti vaxxer flat earther creationist... right ?

As of today, number of treatment against human ailment using gene therapy available for prescription: 0

Current call to authority in the thread: 3
"Science"
"Doctors"
"World class pharmaceutical companies"

Problems...
The science on the field is still so new that the paint is not even dry yet (nor the color chozen in fact)
The doctors show a notable level of discord, starting with the fact that you don't push massive vaccination using yet unproven methods, of an untested drug developped in less than a year for a negligible mortality rate.
The pharmaceutical companies of world class have already shown their only goal being to stuff their shareholders with remdesivir, a drug without benefit, with toxic side effect, dangerous to administer -intraveinous only-, sold to governement only under the legal umbrella of being exempt of any liability in case of issues coming from the use of their products.



Your jab at recreation al activity show the same contempt against personnal responsabilty as usual.
People are idiot who take risks, so they have no right to complain when 'WE' smarter people push anything onto them because we know better anyway.
The standard sociopathic narcissists, hiding their ego behind argumentum ad verecundiam. Or in this case appeal to false authority...

I'm going to leave this here, because Omae Moron already rewrote my position on the glorious Fukushima's disaster management and I can't again waste energy restating in detail what I said , tldr: a disaster is no reason to shit on rules and regulations, no matter the level of pseudo science shovelled into what could look like argumentation, but, he's happy, we are not all dead so he was right on everything. That's the issue in arguing with morons, first they drag you to their levels, then they beat you with experience.

once again I will be called at fault for stirring things up... posting aboot Russian trucks and moar...

Wash
Wipe hands on pant
Repeat

with few major differences...
My statement are mostly translations or colorfull paraphrasing of major french scientists, mainly, the director of the biggest university hospital for virology in France and the former vice president of the European Advisory Group of Experts on Immunisationin in charge of vaccination policies advisory of the WHO for europe.

So when buttfucker Omae Moron and his fuckboys wargarble their way in the conversation... I'm below giving 0 fucks aboot their positions on the carpet... have yet to hear the "orange man took chloroquine, orange man baaaad, so chloroquine bad" brilliant argument or I missed it here... send the postcard to africa... they need to laugh a bit too...

[omae mona]

How predictable that the same people that posted nonstop for weeks in 2011 that everybody in Tokyo was going to die of radiation poisoning from Fukushima are back again in 2020 telling us the doctors and scientists are all wrong, again.

It's an unfortunate consequence of our social media lifestyle.

Many people happily consume substances that are KNOWN to cause harm every weekend. People take all sorts of medication and even self-medicate without even thinking about pharmaceutical testing protocols. But suddenly these same people are seriously concerned that trials carried out over multiple months by world-class pharmaceutical companies with almost 50,000 participants are somehow seriously flawed.

on.

Current mortality rate of covid 19: 0.05%

Current framing device: masquerading gene therapy as "vaccine"... so, if you are against it, you are an anti vaxxer flat earther creationist... right ?

As of today, number of treatment against human ailment using gene therapy available for prescription: 0

Current call to authority in the thread: 3
"Science"
"Doctors"
"World class pharmaceutical companies"

Problems...
The science on the field is still so new that the paint is not even dry yet (nor the color chozen in fact)
The doctors show a notable level of discord, starting with the fact that you don't push massive vaccination using yet unproven methods, of an untested drug developped in less than a year for a negligible mortality rate.
The pharmaceutical companies of world class have already shown their only goal being to stuff their shareholders with remdesivir, a drug without benefit, with toxic side effect, dangerous to administer -intraveinous only-, sold to governement only under the legal umbrella of being exempt of any liability in case of issues coming from the use of their products.



Your jab at recreation al activity show the same contempt against personnal responsabilty as usual.
People are idiot who take risks, so they have no right to complain when 'WE' smarter people push anything onto them because we know better anyway.
The standard sociopathic narcissists, hiding their ego behind argumentum ad verecundiam. Or in this case appeal to false authority...

I'm going to leave this here, because Omae Moron already rewrote my position on the glorious Fukushima's disaster management and I can't again waste energy restating in detail what I said , tldr: a disaster is no reason to shit on rules and regulations, no matter the level of pseudo science shovelled into what could look like argumentation, but, he's happy, we are not all dead so he was right on everything. That's the issue in arguing with morons, first they drag you to their levels, then they beat you with experience.

once again I will be called at fault for stirring things up... posting aboot Russian trucks and moar...

Wash
Wipe hands on pant
Repeat

with few major differences...
My statement are mostly translations or colorfull paraphrasing of major french scientists, mainly, the director of the biggest university hospital for virology in France and the former vice president of the European Advisory Group of Experts on Immunisationin in charge of vaccination policies advisory of the WHO for europe.

So when buttfucker Omae Moron and his fuckboys wargarble their way in the conversation... I'm below giving 0 fucks aboot their positions on the carpet... have yet to hear the "orange man took chloroquine, orange man baaaad, so chloroquine bad" brilliant argument or I missed it here... send the postcard to africa... they need to laugh a bit too...

Thank you. I am just quoting all the above so that this time nobody can edit/delete what they wrote after the fact.

[Coligny]

Which is something that I have never done (1) fuckface. But you can do without traces at will with mod privilege.
You were just mediocre, you are now also desperate.


(1) ehm... except zee google earth pro license incident...

[omae mona]

For those who are curious, only our supreme leader (yanpa) has the theoretical ability to tamper without a trace. All activity by plain old moderators like me can be - and is - audited by other moderators. The FG policy to have a rules-based forum instead of simply banning jerks or censoring their posts is mutually policed by the mods, and is what allows certain people to remain here for years despite annoying virtually everybody and driving people away.

When rules are bent, they're pretty much only bent the other way, e.g. Coligny's posts in this thread violate the personal attack rules, and are potentially a bannable offense. But I'm not taking any action, because as the "attackee" I just think it's pathetic, and I'm more than happy for him to embarrass himself in front of everybody, which he seems to enjoy.

.. and now back to buttfucking my fuckboys.

[wangta]

With all due respect and I mean it to Omae Mona, I don't find Coligny a real problem.

Re his points on vaccinations, I have to agree with some of them. I've never had a flu shot cause of a better than average immune system which comes from not taking antibiotics for ailments that can clear up on their own and not taking medication for usual shit like colds.

I suspect that people susceptible to getting Covid-19 and getting it badly apart from the usual groups of the olds, those suspectible because of medical conditions, the obese, the recreational drug users who fuck up their immune systems including the weed users and cigarette smokers who fuck up their lungs etc are people who never learned the lessons of grandparents who didn't take medication for usual shit and were better off for it and people who take everything their doctor who is good friends with the reps from the pharmaceutical companies recommends.

I don't want to take a vaccine for a corona virus that can be nasty but has a very low mortality rate and affects said groups. To date certain types of flu have been more deadly than Covid-19 and the world wasn't shut down. I note the extra deaths in a number of developed countries also came from suicides - the panicdemic and what amount to organized attacks in some cases on people earning a living have increased the rates.

As for rotten posters on here - I'd rather have Coligny any day than the hypocritical little ex gaijinpot whingeing Pom whose modus operandi is accusing me of being a racist and expressing it in sniping, passive aggressive ways instead of having a logical discussion - just because I don't agree with his politically correct, victimology slanted world view. There are plenty examples of his bullshit on various threads.

The same little whinger praised Kurogane - who much as I like him has written racist shit at times regardless of whether he was being serious or not. When I quoted one such example, there was dead silence. I'd rather have Coligny anyday than such dishonest bitches and I aint talking about Kurogane.

[Coligny]

How predictable that the same people that posted nonstop for weeks in 2011 that everybody in Tokyo was going to die of radiation poisoning from Fukushima are back again in 2020 telling us the doctors and scientists are all wrong, again.

Please keep lecturing me, I love the sound of hypocrisy, self righteousness and butthurt covered by the beeping of the car's geiger counter everytime we get North-east wind blowing...

[Mike Oxlong]

.. and now back to buttfucking my fuckboys.

Glad to hear Coro-chan from Chyna has been good for you.

Highly doubt GG, yanpa, or even Taro is checking up on your moderating behaviour. It's a nice fiction, one that may have even been true beforfe 2010-15. More than likely at least a decade where that hasn't even been remotely the case. Bullshit long enough, and it becomes real to the one who does all the defecating his very self.

[omae mona]

Highly doubt GG, yanpa, or even Taro is checking up on your moderating behaviour.

Hard to say. It's a bit of an unprovable theoretical question - because there is not really enough moderating behavior for them to monitor in the last few years. I just did a scan of the last 3 years under my name, and other than deleting spam from 1-day old accounts and banning them, the sum total of my activity is

1. Removing Takechanpoo's posts when he was attempting (poorly) to doxx somebody, and then banning him
2. Removing one racist post from Coligny in 2017 that was trying to escalate a flame war (admittedly I have been inconsistent here.. I did not touch his racial slurs against Chinese or Arabs last week or do anything about his homophobic comments)

Taro participated in the discussion thread about #1, so he quite definitely was checking. I have no evidence of his checking on #2, but he certainly had access to my notes about the deletion. Years ago when things were busy, GG and Yanpa were quite active in the moderator discussion groups.
Hope this is adequate.. I don't do as much as I should, but given the hourly pay I receive for this job, I doubt yanpa's ready to fire me. In reality my lack of moderating activity is mainly due to Taro being a total gentleman, logging in far more frequently than I do, and cleaning up all the messes before I even notice.