animal cruelty

by **vudeja** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:54 am

My wife and I were out on a walk on Sat. and came across the pet store from HELL. We are currenly contacting the proper authorities and asking around for help on how to have this place closed down and the animals taken care of. We came back on Sunday, and this time I brought my camera. Please be warned that the photos are very graphic.

English site: http://www.vudeja.com/cruelty/
Japanese site: http://www.vudeja.com/cruelty/jpn.html

Has anyone here dealt with animal abuse laws in Japan?

Thanks

by **devicenull** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 11:20 am

animal crap, just like PC is a western concept.. i doubt anyone really cares. if they were 300 miles to the west, they would be food by now and the complaint would be moot.

by **Caustic Saint** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 11:42 am

Not hardly. They're too small for food dogs. Plus, as expensive as dog meat is, nobody's gonig to eat diseased animals.

Now, North Korea, on the other hand....

by **kamome** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 11:53 am

devicenull wrote:i doubt anyone really cares.

That's the core of the problem. The Japanese are less conscious about the rights of animals, and view them as commodities rather than living organisms with rights. This is probably the prevailing view in all of Asia.

Although I haven't seen such ill treatment of animals in pet stores near my neighborhood, I have seen that they traffick in jungle animals that should not be captive in the first place: large monkeys, rare squirrels, etc. Horrible. I hope vudeja succeeds in shutting down that pet shop, but given that this is the land of passive bureacrats, I doubt anything will change.

by **japslapper** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 11:56 am

I am not in least suprised by your pics. Japan couldnt give a rats arse about animal rights. If you wanna see the top end of the poor poch market look in a departo with a pet section - mitsukoshi in Shinjuku? They have expensive dogs - lots of them. Cages are clean but they are all drugged to make them sleepy, lethargic, and kawaii! No shit - its true! :evil:

Theres an old lady in my village who insists on keeping birds in cages - well lots of birds in small dirty cages. There is a sulpher crested cockotoo amongst which hasnt been outs its filthy cage in a long time - its food is rearlyy replenished and as for its water! The main thing is this bird is nearly bald - parrots pull there feathers out when under emotional stress. I have tried quietly to find this creature a new home - to no avail.
the mad thing is this old woamn says "she loves here bids" and that "they are family!"

Other places try "Monkey World" near Nagoya, I have never seen more dejeceted apes :evil:

(save Juku students :wink:

). I wrote a letter to the manegment of monkey world and CCed it to IFAW - response from IFAW but nowt from the Zoo :roll:

Good luck with trying to help - but just dont expect much......

by **AssKissinger** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 11:58 am

devicenull wrote:animal crap, just like PC is a western concept.. i doubt anyone really cares. if they were 300 miles to the west, they would be food by now and the complaint would be moot.

I'm no animal rights activist myself but if you take it on yourself to house a living creature you do assume certain responsibilities. And it's hard to say if Japanese people will be offended or likely to take action. They might. I remember a story about a boy who was going to or did kill a cat live on his webcam that stirred up a lot of attention. Maybe the cute angle could be played-up.

Anyway, Vu, I say good-on-ya for trying to do something about it. The local neighborhood group may be a decent avenue. Play up the idea that this place is dirty and an eyesore, maybe unsafe for children. Some kind of infection might get passed around. Non-legal pressure might be effective. Not to say legal avenues shouldn't be considered.

by **Taro Toporific** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:09 pm

vudeja wrote:My wife and I were out on a walk on Sat. and came across the pet store from HELL. ...
Has anyone here dealt with animal abuse laws in Japan?

My favorite "animal rights action" was by a "mature" lady tourist from England who let an afghan hound out of it's poodle-size cage in Shinjuku. The poor beast bound out of the cage at 45 kilometers per hour heading west on the Cho Expressway never stopping... and must have joined Al-Qaeda by now. :P

by **devicenull** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:15 pm

by **vudeja** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:32 pm

"animal rights hippies" have done nothing apart from pissing me off in the past

Very sorry for pissing you off and wasting your time devicenull...

by **Big Booger** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:32 pm

That guy needs his nads severed. I would gladly do it. I have a pet dog.. and if someone every dared treat my dog in that manner.. we'll I would kill them without a second thought.

I am not PETA fan either.. but I do believe animals have a right to live and be cared for. If you don't want to care for them, you shouldn't have the right to have them. You should do a write up about the place and send it in to the Daily Yomiuri, Asahi Newspaper, or all of them for that matter.

Animal cruelty anywhere is bullshit. Some lazy demented bastard who doesn't need a pet period.

I think there is a stark difference between a pet and livestock. Lifestock is a consumable material. In general, pets are not.

I do think that torture of any being should be illegal.. regardless.

by **devicenull** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:35 pm

Big Booger wrote:I am not PETA fan either..

PETA people need to be ground up and made into food for the rest of us :P

by **GomiGirl** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 3:28 pm

How anybody can be cruel to a domestic animal is beyond me.. Animals only want regular food, a clean, warm bed and a little bit of attention and in return they provide unconditional love.. people are never that cool.

I have just taken in a stray kitten - she was abandonded at around 6 weeks of age in the rain. She is delightful and I have nursed her back to health and she has tripled in size.. but I think she is getting cabin fever in my small apartment... any suggestions from other cat owners?

by **Taro Toporific** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 3:38 pm

GomiGirl wrote:... getting cabin fever in my small apartment... any suggestions from other cat owners?

Cats adapt to their "space" no problem, BUT I'm afraid your little dear is getting horny. Is it fixed yet?

by **GomiGirl** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 4:04 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:
GomiGirl wrote:... getting cabin fever in my small apartment... any suggestions from other cat owners?

Cats adapt to their "space" no problem, BUT I'm afraid your little dear is getting horny. Is it fixed yet?

She is only about 3months old.. way too early for her first season. The vet wants to operate in about 6 weeks time as first season is about 6 months.

I think I need to get her a climbing gym as I have stopped her from climbing the wallpaper.. but also she hates it when I go to work in the morning and protests loudly.

I also need to stop her from biting me... I guess this is play but it really hurts..

by **kurohinge1** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 4:25 pm

GomiGirl wrote:I also need to stop her from biting me... I guess this is play but it really hurts..

I think they usually learn how much that hurts from biting and being bitten by their own siblings. But when they're separated early, that's all missing. I grew up with both cats & dogs - with both, you can usually lay them on their back and play with their front paws and when they try to bite you, you quickly slip their own paw into their mouth - this way they get a feel for how much their own bite hurts. There's also a light slap over the nose to let them know something's not acceptable - their own siblings would hit them when they got out of line.

Sorry if I didn't express this very well. It's a pity we can't just download selected memories into a memory card and email them or something !

by **Taro Toporific** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 4:29 pm

GomiGirl wrote:I think I need to get her a climbing gym as I have stopped her from climbing the wallpaper.. but also she hates it when I go to work in the morning and protests loudly.
I also need to stop her from biting me... I guess this is play but it really hurts..

Kitty dope impregated cardboard scratching board...sold at all bigger pet shops in Tokyo. (I'll mail you one tomorrow if you wish...I buy them in bulk for my fuzz-butt monster

Made of dense, thick layers of corrugated cardboard, the scratching board is full of catnip and comes in a convenient handle. Dirt cheap at Japan Cost-Co for 4 boards for 600yen.

by **GomiGirl** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 4:37 pm

She already has one of these.. and she uses it all the time.

by **Taro Toporific** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 4:52 pm

GomiGirl wrote:She already has one of these.. and she uses it all the time.

Phase Two: Encase all valuable parts of your heya in vinyl.
Phase Three: Encase all sharp parts of kitty in vinyl.

---taro, whose house looks like a super-thick shinkwrap perv's

by **Big Booger** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 5:16 pm

I hate cats.. eww.. piss, steal your breath, scratch you all to hell.. snobbish..

Dogs rule!

by **NeoNecroNomiCron** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 5:28 pm

japslapper wrote:I am not in least suprised by your pics. Japan couldnt give a rats arse about animal rights. If you wanna see the top end of the poor poch market look in a departo with a pet section - mitsukoshi in Shinjuku? They have expensive dogs - lots of them. Cages are clean but they are all drugged to make them sleepy, lethargic, and kawaii! No shit - its true!

I have to thoes places a few times. There is one in the kabukicho of all places. I brought a friend of mine who is vegan and he nearly went crazy i have to force him to leave before he did something.

On the other hand they really have some nice examples of saimese cats. I would love one but at 200,000 yen a go i dont if i will get one. What if it dies after a few months.

by **Alcazar** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 8:05 pm

That poor dog might have been suffering from congenital problems caused by inbreeding. One solution would be to buy it so it could be put down at a vet, it might be the best thing to do?

I think you should target the store owner-calculate what you can do against him and get away with and then do it. Free all the animals with a group of people one day as you rush the store, how many birds and other animals would you be able to free before the store owner could do anything? Lots I bet. The owner would be terrified-be sure to intimidate.

Certain animals you would have to take with you to release in a safer area away from people or to give to people you know would take care of them. The birds could just be set free to fly off. :idea:

Alternatively you could break in at night to do all this too. :twisted:

by **AssKissinger** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 8:20 pm

Alcazar wrote:That poor dog might have been suffering from congenital problems caused by inbreeding. One solution would be to buy it so it could be put down at a vet, it might be the best thing to do?

I think you should target the store owner-calculate what you can do against him and get away with and then do it. Free all the animals with a group of people one day as you rush the store, how many birds and other animals would you be able to free before the store owner could do anything? Lots I bet. The owner would be terrified-be sure to intimidate.

Certain animals you would have to take with you to release in a safer area away from people or to give to people you know would take care of them. The birds could just be set free to fly off. Alternatively you could break in at night to do all this too.

If you ended up in Japanese prison you'd feel worse than that dog.

by **Big Booger** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 8:39 pm

if you decide on the para-military rescue.. wear a ski mask, gloves, and have a lookout!

You can get into deep shit for that.

by **kamome** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:32 pm

I would feel guilty about keeping a pet in Tokyo. Unless you're super-wealthy and have a big house, there's no place to keep an animal. Anyway, the issue is solved for me: my lease doesn't even allow pets. Maybe ALL leases in Tokyo should forbid pets. That would curb the demand for pets and maybe put the criminal pet shops out of business.

by **kamome** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:36 pm

by **japslapper** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:48 pm

by **Alcazar** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:14 am

AssKissinger wrote:If you ended up in Japanese prison you'd feel worse than that dog.

I know what you're saying. I think I run that risk of being arrested for something at some point in my life because sometimes I really can lose my temper with people. Still if I found that pet store, I would have to do something, even if it was the most minimal act of perhaps buying that dog and having it put down.

This whole thing makes me really sad. But if I think about it more and consider that people let this happen, it makes me furious. If someone maliciously killed my pet dog, I would kill that person, clean up and carry on.....

by **devicenull** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:24 am

by **kamome** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:06 pm

by **GomiGirl** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:56 pm

What is the difference between a Northern and Southern US* pet store?

The southern one has a description on the outside of the cage that includes a recipe.. :wink:

* I was going to say Northern and Southern Korean or even the difference between a Japanese and Korean Pet stores but I knew that I would offend somebody... the original joke used Northern and Southern US so I stuck with that.. again hoping that I didn't offend anybody..

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