Kanji by grade level

[tomasurii]

Anyone know which kanji are taught at each grade level in Jp schools?

I'm looking for a resource that will give the kanji, brushstroke order, and grade level breakdown.

Thanks

[Blah Pete]

Most Kanji dictionaries have a list in the back. Also some Learning Kanji type books have a listing.

The book that helped me the most was to learn Kanji was
A Guide to Remembering Japanese Characters by Kenneth G. Henshall.
ISBN 0-8048-1532-1
The author explains some of the history of each character and has some good examples of how to memorize them.

If you are really serious about learning I suggest
The Modern Reader's Japanese-English Character Dictionary by Andrew N. Nelson.
ISBN 0-8048-0408-7

Whatever you choose for your study method good luck. It ain't easy and it will take some time...

[String]

I have also found kanji flashcards made in grade level order. "Tuttle Kanji Cards" give the stroke order, grade level, on/kun readings, and also 4 examples of words in which the kanji is used for each kanji. I've used them and I like them. You can find them on Amazon.com if not in your local bookstore. The downside: they only have cards for about 1,000 kanji available at the moment. I don't know if they're planning to come out with more in the future.

I am in no way affiliated with the Charles E. Tuttle Company.

edit: What part of Detroit?

[GargoyleTS]

http://japanese.about.com/blkodarchives.htm

The 1006 kanji for grades 1-6. (even though it only goes 1-5 0.o)

[Andocrates]

[GargoyleTS]

Well then, explore the site I linked to and you will find a series of Kanji that are supposed to be the most popular, broken down into lessons of 50. The series is up to lesson 8, so that's 400 right there.

Although...it occurs to me that it may make sense to learn it as they teach children, since it *may* (and keep in mind, TIJ, so logic is not the watchword) be assembled in a building-on-what-you've-learned progression from grade to grade.

[Evilhead]

[AssKissinger]

Also, i have concluded (IMO) that kanji will always remain out of your grasp until you are fluent in spoken Japanese

I agree. But on the other hand fluent spoken Japanese will always remain out of your grasp until know kanji

[GargoyleTS]

That is so Zen...

Can I be your Disciple and drink deeply from the font of your Enlightenemnt?

[AssKissinger]

[quote="GargoyleTS"]That is so Zen...

Can I be your Disciple and drink deeply from the font of your Enlightenemnt? ]

You mean give me a head job?

[GargoyleTS]

You're already a head job! (head case, nut job...whatever)

*walks away muttering under his breath*

[String]

I don't think adults should learn kanji based on childrens school learning. Firstly, because Japanese isn't your native language you won't be able to "hear" the chinese reading. I'll ask a Japanese about a kanji and how they know it's the chinese reading and they often say "it sounds chinese."

The original poster doesn't want to learn kanji like a Japanese school kid, just in the same order. I think it's a good idea, since the most basic and easily written kanji are taught first in Japanese school, so the student will first learn the various parts necessary to break down and memorize the more complex kanji that come later on.

Also, I think learning kanji and learning how to speak should go hand-in-hand. You can gain insight from one into the other all along the way.

[Andocrates]

[jim katta]

Without anyone getting too high on their gaijin nihongo horse, I'd like to hear some opinions about this article on Kuro5hin called "Japanese For Nerds". It bascially proposes approaching learning Japanese in a different way.

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/2/26/175722/727

"Most attempts to teach Japanese to foreigners start off with long lists of words to learn and endless drills practicing how to say things like "Suzuki-san, konnichi-wa." But with an appropriately nerdular mind, none of this is necessary. The nerd can simply study the formal Backus-Naur definition of the language, and then treat all the individual words to be learned the same way he would learn a long list of manifest constants #define'd in some C library. This article is a pioneering attempt to provide that Backus-Naur definition."

p.s. in my safari browser, the j-list ad 'completely' covers the left side of the site so I can't see any user names no matter where I scroll down to.

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[hakuman]

Without anyone getting too high on their gaijin nihongo horse, I'd like to hear some opinions about this article on Kuro5hin called "Japanese For Nerds". It bascially proposes approaching learning Japanese in a different way.

I speak Japanese, and I liked it. It is good for people who have a mathmatical type mind. For people who can't grasp mathmatical and logical concepts though, its probably not that good.

Granted there are some errors in the Japanese the author is using, but fundamentally it is ok, and for the crowd he is writing to (absolute beginner apparently) there is no problem. They can fill in the holes as they progress in their Japanese study.

[Taro Toporific]

I'd like to hear some opinions about this article on Kuro5hin called "Japanese For Nerds". It bascially proposes approaching learning Japanese in a different way.
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/2/26/175722/727

p.s. in my safari browser, the j-list ad 'completely' covers the left side of the site so I can't see any user names no matter where I scroll down to.

Yep, Safari does that as well as farkuquing up the [ B ] for bold buttons...Time to pay to be a FG Premium Member (the ads are blocked when you're a "Member"),

As far as the article on Kuro5hin see the old threads: Easy Japanese for nerds and Japanese for Nerds

[tomasurii]

Thanks all, I appreciate your responses. I know this is going to take time, but I've got about four years to build up a Japanese repetoir before I can consider moving to Japan.

"edit: What part of Detroit"

>>Right in the middle, downtown. Close to the new Tiger's Stadium and the Detroit Lions Stadium. Previous place was in Royal Oak.

[Andocrates]