More Anti Japan Rallies

[homesweethome]

China Government says NO
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=345940

But Chinese say YES
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/world/20050811TDY02001.htm

China Web sites call for anti-Japan rallies Aug. 15

A Hong Kong business newspaper reported that messages posted on Web sites around China are calling for anti-Japan rallies across the country, including in Shanghai, on Aug. 15, the anniversary of the end of World War II.

An article of the Hong Kong Economic Times said that in addition to Shanghai, Web sites hosted in Liaoning, Sichuan, Jiangsu and Hubei provinces also have Internet messages calling on people to take part in anti-Japan rallies.

The city of Dalian, Liaoning Province, has printed 150,000 to 300,000 anti-Japan leaflets, which will be distributed in front of Japanese companies on Saturday, the article said.

(Aug. 11, 2005)

[Socratesabroad]

The city of Dalian, Liaoning Province, has printed 150,000 to 300,000 anti-Japan leaflets, which will be distributed in front of Japanese companies on Saturday, the article said.

This has to be about the most pointless exercise I can imagine. In Beijing, being a bit conservative, maybe; in Shanghai, I can imagine but given the huge foreign pop. and influence I have to wonder about the effectiveness.
But anti-Japanese protests in Dalian are pretty hollow; my Japanese carried me a lot further there than did my English, and most people you ask would give their eyeteeth to work for a Japanese company.

[puargs]

You know, it's interesting that China holds all these protests and whatnot, and yet Japan didn't burn American flags on the 60th anniversaries of the instant and complete destruction of 2 of their cities. Vietnam doesn't either. France and England don't burn German flags, and Russia doesn't burn its own flag (haha)... It seems everyone's had war crimes committed against them, and the only one who can't let the past be the past is China. (obviously it's not JUST China, there are racists everywhere- but they seem most prevalent and voiced there)

It's not that I don't understand that some horrible shit went down there. However, it's also not like horrible stuff similar to that hasn't happened elsewhere. So give it a rest, China.

[puargs]

By the way, I think your picture is from North Korea. But for the sake of preserving my argument and making me look like an asshole, let's say they "don't count".

[homesweethome]

By the way, I think your picture is from North Korea.

How's that?

[puargs]

... the picture changed. Seriously. The old one had all sorts of Korean posters and such in it.

[puargs]

...lol, your edit of the first post also seems to coincide with your post. But I know you're just yankin my chain :P

[homesweethome]

...lol, your edit of the first post also seems to coincide with your post. But I know you're just yankin my chain :P

When I said 'how's that? I meant how is the new picture? I changed it from the one that had Korean signs in it.
No cause for paranoia!

[puargs]

Oh lol. No worries, I love you, home. Yeah, it's a good picture for sure!

[homesweethome]

The city of Dalian, Liaoning Province, has printed 150,000 to 300,000 anti-Japan leaflets, which will be distributed in front of Japanese companies on Saturday, the article said.

This has to be about the most pointless exercise I can imagine. In Beijing, being a bit conservative, maybe]


I haven't spent a lot of time in China, but the impression I get from talking to Chinese students and business people in Japan is that Japan took the place in the world that should have rightfully gone to China after the war. Japan lost after all and should be no better than a second rate country, something like Thailand, in the world scheme of things. The Japanese invasion left China with years to try to play catch up by itself, paying for a war it did not start while Japan had all kinds of help from the US and others. While I am sure not every breathing Chinese person shares these views, it is the feeling of many that it is time for China to take it's rightful place in Asia as the leader, economically, politically, and socially. The line in the sand has already been drawn. The coming war with Japan over energy resources has already begun.

Japan on the other hand realizes it's position and weaknesses and has already begun to put resources into its military to be able to counter any challenges from China or any other country in the region. That is one reason it wanted a seat on the UN Security Council and why China so vehemently opposed it. Japan feels threatened and insecure amid a group of openly hostile neighbors whose feelings it neither appreciates nor understands. As Japan's biggest trading partner, it most surely does not want a war with China, but is at a loss as to how to deal with rising nationism and anti-Japan feelings in that country.

This article from a Japanese think tank says almost the same thing.

[cstaylor]

but the impression I get from talking to Chinese students and business people in Japan is that Japan took the place in the world that should have rightfully gone to China after the war.

Japan lost after all and should be no better than a second rate country, something like Thailand, in the world scheme of things.

Unlike Japan, China was still at war with itself up until 1949. Hard to get economic stability or foreign investment when you have a civil war raging across the country.

The Japanese invasion left China with years to try to play catch up by itself, paying for a war it did not start while Japan had all kinds of help from the US and others.

The Chinese have Mao and Chiang Kai-Shek to thank for that. Perhaps the Chinese resistance would have been more effective if (A) The Americans had given military support to Mao as well as the Nationalists as General "Vinegar" Joe Stilwell had suggested and (B) The American congress had pressed for more oversight to how the Nationalists were using the military equipment they had received. From "Stilwell and The American Experience in China" you can read how Chiang was hording his weapons allotment to fight the Communists instead of the Japanese invaders.

While I am sure not every breathing Chinese person shares these views, it is the feeling of many that it is time for China to take it's rightful place in Asia as the leader, economically, politically, and socially.

Heaven help us on the "socially" part.

The line in the sand has already been drawn. The coming war with Japan over energy resources has already begun.

Which China will lose, and lose handily. Can you point to a single military victory that the PLA has won in a foreign country not directly connected with Chinese territory? Even then they got their asses handed to them (read about China's Vietnam experience).

Japan on the other hand realizes it's position and weaknesses and has already begun to put resources into its military to be able to counter any challenges from China or any other country in the region.

For good reason, considering the Chinese government promotes anti-Japanese sentiments in their education and political programs.

That is one reason it wanted a seat on the UN Security Council and why China so vehemently opposed it.

Nope. Maybe for South Korea (although I think it's more jealousy than righteous indignation), but for the PRC (who usurped their place on the UNSC from the Nationalists) it's about control over vetoes. Japan was *not* the only country pushing for a seat, and China was against any changes to the permanent makeup of the UNSC.

Japan feels threatened and insecure amid a group of openly hostile neighbors whose feelings it neither appreciates nor understands.

And the Chinese are masters of understanding other people. Hell, as a "worker's paradies", they can hardly contain the corruption of their regional bosses who lord over their local communities like the landowners of pre-civil war China.

As Japan's biggest trading partner, it most surely does not want a war with China,

Who actually *wants a war*? If there is a war, it would turn to Japan's favor as a naval nation, and if Japan was attacked first, that would invoke the security agreement with the United States. The best China can do is move slowly, building their strength as America wastes theirs in the Middle East.

but is at a loss as to how to deal with rising nationism and anti-Japan feelings in that country.

Anti-Japanese racism has been a part of Chinese history since the Boxer rebellion. The speed and cost of international communication has just made it more visible.

The facts don't match the points you are making, especially if you take a longer view of history.

[Buraku]

Which China will lose, and lose handily. Can you point to a single military victory that the PLA has won in a foreign country not directly connected with Chinese territory? Even then they got their asses handed to them (read about China's Vietnam experience).

You're fucking kidding me, what kind of perverted Japanophile or Nippon-Apologist are you ?

Firstly a Navy doesn't mean shit anymore,
the days of the Spanish armada are dead so whatever bullshit you read about Japan being a super military because they have a few high-tech boats is just total bullshit

And on the Chinese military
darn piss poor peasant army has been doing much of China's fighting for the last decades

and even though it has been under equipped it done a pretty good job at defending Chinese territory

the China Vietnam conflict was stupidity and ended in a stale-mate
no one should under-estimate Vietnamese,
these guys handed the Yanks their asses and send GIs, USA's fighter pilots and US Marines home in bodybags

Today China is no longer a darn piss poor army and growing into a monster, updated missile tech, deadly aircraft bombers, destroyers ships, Nuke submarines, spy satellites, deadly attack planes, space technology...
..Chinese are becoming a superpower like the USA and Russia

that is if you start to fuck with a superpower
prepare to see your capital city turn into a smoking Nuclear crater


( Remember the Russian soviets always had a shit Navy but because of other technological advances, Ruskies were one of the strongest Forces on Earth ) http://fuckedgaijin.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12918&highlight=


However the first shot against Japan won't come from Chinese
( because everyone is watching red-China and the Chinese would spoil the great trade and exports to the EU and USA by starting such conflict )
most likely the first shot and Nippon will be fired by someone else










There are Russians that think Jpn is going loony with territorial disputes
Taiwanese want an apology for the sex slaves
British war Vets protesting and turned their backs on the Nippon Emperor
People in Burma/Myanmar are looking for compensation
the Jpn ships opened fire on Vietnamese, fired gas grenades at refugees/asylum seekers, attacked a NK ship, fired at Phillipinos and claim Chinese territory, want the Russian islands, and claim parts of disputed Korean territory which Ishihara says they should defend by attacking anyone who approaches...
The Reason Japanese don't try this bullshit with Russia is because the Ruskies would respond by making a new flaming crater in Japan and Russia has already opened fire on Japan ships
but the mega-torn in Japan's backside has to be the SKorean feelings, who helped block Japan's UN bid




I'm no fan of Red China or the history of Maoism
but Japan politics have gone way South and the nation has been hijacked in the last decade by ultra nationalists like Nakasone / Gov Blinky
- and other radical Japan leaders who make dumb remarks like the 'USA is weak because blacks lower the IQ'

[cstaylor]

Firstly a Navy doesn't mean shit anymore,
the days of the Spanish armada are dead so whatever bullshit you read about Japan being a super military because they have a few high-tech boats is just total bullshit

Aircraft carriers and AEGIS systems are very important for projecting force. How do you think China will invade Japan? By foot?

And on the Chinese military
darn piss poor peasant army has been doing much of China's fighting for the last decades

and even though it has been under equipped it done a pretty good job at defending Chinese territory

Read what I wrote: China can't project power beyond directly-connected land masses.

the China Vietnam conflict was stupidity and ended in a stale-mate no one should under-estimate Vietnamese,
these guys handed the Yanks their asses and send GIs, USA's fighter pilots and US Marines home in bodybags

56,000 Americans over 15 years, how many Chinese killed in only one month?

Today China is no longer a darn piss poor army and growing into a monster, updated missile tech, deadly aircraft bombers, destroyers ships, Nuke submarines, spy satellites, deadly attack planes, space technology...
..Chinese are becoming a superpower like the USA and Russia

Fantasy dreams of another /dev/null Comrade. Missiles are always defensive when fighting another superpower.

Deadly attack planes? I think you mean, "Kamikaze death planes" like the incident in 2001 when a Chinese fighter pilot collided with an American spy plane ("rammed" is probably a better choice of words).

that is if you start to fuck with a superpower
prepare to see your capital city turn into a smoking Nuclear crater

Turnabout is fair play. What do you think American submarines are carrying? Fruit baskets?

I'm no fan of Red China or the history of Maoism

Good, we agree on something, although his face still graces their national currency.

but Japan politics have gone way South and the nation has been hijacked in the last decade by ultra nationalists like Nakasone / Gov Blinky - and other radical Japan leaders who make dumb remarks like the 'USA is weak because blacks lower the IQ'

I don't think the rightwing ever went away. As the older Japanese die off, the young don't remember how the people were tricked into a war they didn't want, and are easier prey for the historical revisionists.

All this talk about China becoming some military superpower overnight reminds me of how the Japanese were portrayed after their initial victories in late '41 and early '42. Overinflating a threat that doesn't really exist.

[Greji]

the China Vietnam conflict was stupidity and ended in a stale-mate no one should under-estimate Vietnamese,
these guys handed the Yanks their asses and send GIs, USA's fighter pilots and US Marines home in bodybags

I would like to remind Buraku of the scoreboard in the Vietnam fiasco. The US lost approximately 55,000 as stated.
The Vietcong and the NVN regulars lost in excess of 1.5 million, probably closer to 2.0 million. I don't feel like researching the exact total figures unless you want to play with this point further.

The politics of the war were won by the North Vietnamese, but it was their military that got there asses handed to them.

[homesweethome]

Nice post Buraku :thumbs:
You said it all,
I just want to clarify a few points

Cs Taylor wrote:

Who actually *wants a war*? If there is a war, it would turn to Japan's favor as a naval nation, and if Japan was attacked first, that would invoke the security agreement with the United States. The best China can do is move slowly, building their strength as America wastes theirs in the Middle East.

By 'Naval Nation' I assume you mean the belly-button kind as in 'self-contemplation'. Japan is an economic b*std power that relies on trade (albeit shipping over vast amounts of ocean territory) and has others do the dirty work of defending and dying for it's right to commerce.

China has been moving slowly, building strength while watching the US dilute it's forces all over the place. Now is the time for the Chinese, as they have said themselves. They are tired of being pushed around by a two bit bully without any muscles (Japan) and are going to hit back. Also the mutual defense pact between the US and Japan only is activated (on the part of the US) if Japan is attacked directly. Not likely when the fighting is in the south China sea over a few disputed islands and the rights to each others gas.


CS Taylor wrote:

Unlike Japan, China was still at war with itself up until 1949. Hard to get economic stability or foreign investment when you have a civil war raging across the country.
The Chinese have Mao and Chiang Kai-Shek to thank for that. Perhaps the Chinese resistance would have been more effective if (A) The Americans had given military support to Mao as well as the Nationalists as General "Vinegar" Joe Stilwell had suggested and (B) The American congress had pressed for more oversight to how the Nationalists were using the military equipment they had received. From "Stilwell and The American Experience in China" you can read how Chiang was hording his weapons allotment to fight the Communists instead of the Japanese invaders.

I admit, Mao Tse Tung and his bandits were a pleasant diversion for the peasants for a while and he gave Shang Hai Shek a run for his money, and I have no doubt he was hiding a few treasures for a rainy day, but that was all a long time ago. Just a footnote on the memories of some old folks still around in China today. China has had plenty of time to make up for the loss and has done so recently. American congressional oversight doesn't mean squat except to a few retired politicians trying to make their dismal careers look good in their memoirs.

CS Taylor wrote:

Heaven help us on the "socially" part.

"Socially" China is ahead of everybody (there's a lot more of them) so they must be doing something right socially.



CS Taylor wrote:

Which China will lose, and lose handily. Can you point to a single military victory that the PLA has won in a foreign country not directly connected with Chinese territory? Even then they got their asses handed to them (read about China's Vietnam experience).

China won't lose. They have won just about every engagement with any country that they are connected with, Tibet, Mongolia, Kashmir, North Korea, Hong Kong, (Taiwan still exists by the skin of their teeth). The Viet Kong were trained by the best (America) in the art of guerrilla warfare on their own soil. China just wanted to show who was the bigger gorilla at the time. They made their point and gave the Viets back a few square kliks of mountain jungle. That was it.

CS Taylor wrote:

For good reason, considering the Chinese government promotes anti-Japanese sentiments in their education and political programs.

I don't have any argument with this, they do! Just not for the reasons you state.



CS Taylor wrote:

Nope. Maybe for South Korea (although I think it's more jealousy than righteous indignation), but for the PRC (who usurped their place on the UNSC from the Nationalists) it's about control over vetoes. Japan was *not* the only country pushing for a seat, and China was against any changes to the permanent makeup of the UNSC.

A seat on the UNSC Japan thought it could buy, but even that failed miserably. Japan was totally humiliated and it's national pride hurt badly. They could not have mismanaged it any worse if they tried. China views itself as the leader of Asia, not Japan. Japan is just the future 'Switzerland' of Asia in most Asian countries views, tired, neutral, apathetic, living off it's inheritance. A UNSC seat is not a 'jewel' any Asian country would want to see Japan get, not matter how much money they spread around.



CS Taylor wrote:

And the Chinese are masters of understanding other people. Hell, as a "worker's paradies", they can hardly contain the corruption of their regional bosses who lord over their local communities like the landowners of pre-civil war China.

The problem is Japan needs the energy resources of the area to keep it's lifestyle in tact. China needs these same resources to improve the lifestyle of a lot of people. They both can't have it their own way and eventually push will come to shove. It's inevitable.

CS Taylor wrote:

The facts don't match the points you are making, especially if you take a longer view of history.

Mao was asked: "And how will history view your Cultural Revolution?"
Mao replied: "History? We'll all be dead."
Where do you think GWB got that line?
He didn't just make it up himself.

As a side note:
in todays news
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/4073.asp

A flash war between China and Japan involving Natural Gas can start a third world war
Sudhir Chadda
Aug. 11, 2005
Relations between China and Japan are deteriorating every day. Japan has extended its support for Taiwan and that has also angered China greatly. But the biggest reason for animosity in the short term is energy sharing between Japan and China. Both the countries need fossil-energy heavily due to the large nature of their economy and expanding industrial base.
The Japanese government Aug. 10 lodged a protest against China based on information that the Chinese are preparing infrastructure to exploit natural gas in an area of the East China Sea claimed by both countries. Japanese Trade Minister Shoichi Nakagawa said Japan believes China has a natural gas pipeline "and is ready to put it to practical use."
According to think tanks, China and Japan can fight a flash war in that region involving sharing of natural gas. The war can spread very quickly with America supporting Japan and Russia supporting China. China can at that stage attack Taiwan complicating the matter further. India will most likely stay neutral.

[Socratesabroad]

[homesweethome]

[Buraku]

Aircraft carriers and AEGIS systems are very important for projecting force. How do you think China will invade Japan? By foot?

homesweethome is very correct, you can't really compare Japan and China
its like comparing a little Mouse from mt Fuji
to a growing Dragon in Peiking
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forum/album ... 08db4e.jpg[/img:12887161ce]

Ships and Carriers don't mean shit anymore,
yeah they can dish out some ammo but when the real fighting starts the ships and fleet will be hit and its just another over-priced lump of metal in the water waiting to become sea wreckage

The Aegis was once cool but today is utter bullshit and doesn't mean fuck anymore, not since a number of wars showed up these shitty ships systems for what they were.


During many of the small world conflicts during the late 70s, 80s and early 90s
A lot of European, American and Russian tech found its way into other hands around the globe
Aegis has been shown up to be a heap of shit when compred to missile tech and space-tech

Today ships carry a lot of ammunition, but when compared to today's high-tech weapons ships they don't mean shit except another shipwreck.
We have satellite guided bombs, MIRVs, we have silkworms, Exocet is French anti-ship missile, lazer guided missiles, SSN18 Stingray R29R, there are ICBMs, SSN20 SturgeonR29, missile improvements from Space technology, AGM Harpoons, such missiles were used with devastating effect in the Falklands war, and check out the iraqgate and irangate sales - during the Iran vs Iraq conflict an Iraqi Mirage accidentally fired two exocets at 2 US ships causing major destruction, thinking the ships were Iranian rather than USA's ships - US anti-missile systems were totally useless compared to the cruise missile technology and technological spins offs to missiles from space technology. Hussein is said to have beheaded the pilot who mistakenly fired the missiles at his then-ally.



Just be glad none of these missiles ever carried a serious warhead
because its a Total Wipeout for the entire Navy
like some Yasukuni Visit Fall-out ?

Anyway back to the subject of US - China
the Chinese were a great friend of the Aussies, USA and British druing the second WorldWar
they provided military info to the states, helped British fight, rescued downed US airmen...and how was China rewarded after WW2 ended ?
It got slapped with sanctions while Japanese who made horrid nazi warcrimes had their nation re-built by hardworking Americans and Aussies
and were given a heap of money and re-construction
maybe its because the USA had a dislike for commies or something, while turning a blind eye to the Yasukuni criminals of Japan

things have changed a lot lately
the Japanese economy is going to the dogs and no longer lures and can't seduce the US anymore

While China has been moving away from a communist dictatorship, now into a totalitarian socialist state and finally into a emerging capitalist republic and willing to be more free and do great trade with the EU and USA.

Armitage has said the US is not required to defend Taiwan
Germany wants the arms-ban lifted on China
Powell had said the relations with China are the best in 30 years
French have a great working relationship with the Chinese
Bush has done a U-turn on Taiwan



Remember if Japan starts to push and smack China,
the Chinese don't even need to respond with ships

the destruction of one missile getting through would be far worse than Kobe or AUMs destruction and chaos

They can hit Tokyo with one tiny missile and cripple the whole of Japan
and watch the wolves finish Nippon off

But my prediction still stands, it won't be China that strikes first
the first hit will come from somewhere else and many of us folks know this place very well

[homesweethome]

Buraku, Do you have a picture of the Korean Battle cruiser that was just comissioned the Dok Toh?
I can't seem to find one.
Yoroshiku

This might be it

[Buraku]

It looks close to its real-image
http://english.kbs.co.kr/news/zoom/1356843_11781.html
http://www.jjma.com/Documents/Services/ShipDesign/intnat/skorea_lpx.htm
the ship is an LPX -LandPlatform-eXperimental

the links should give a little info on the design

http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=1269
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=1724

[homesweethome]

[Buraku]

Buraku, Do you have a picture of the Korean Battle cruiser that was just comissioned the Dok Toh?
I can't seem to find one.
Yoroshiku

This might be it

As I said on this whole issue - when the conflict begins
its unlikely China will fire the first shot




however Chinese should not be taken lightly
they are becoming a superpower

check these links if you have the time
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/7/165920.shtml
http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/showphoto.php/photo/7495/cat/9/limit/recent
http://www.space.com/adastra/china_implications_0505.html
http://www.softwar.net/plaaf.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-05zzzzb.html
http://www.comw.org/cmp/fulltext/iddschina.html
http://www.checkpoint-online.ch/CheckPoint/J2/J2-0003-ChinaMilitaryCapabilities.html

[homesweethome]

So I guess he's not going
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20050813a2.htm

Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi indicated Friday he does not plan to visit Tokyo's Yasukuni Shrine on or around Aug. 15, the date of Japan's World War II surrender.

Visiting on Aug. 15 would have huge diplomatic repercussions, because of the symbolic impression it would make. China and South Korea have repeatedly and strongly urged Koizumi to stop visiting the shrine.

Buraku wrote:

As I have said on this whole issue, China will not be the one to fire the first shot.

I am just curious, if you care to, why do you think so.
Maybe your crystal ball is clearer than mine.

[Greji]

I am just curious, if you care to, why do you think so.
Maybe your crystal ball is clearer than mine.

The US/Japan Security Pact is one very good reason.

[homesweethome]

I am just curious, if you care to, why do you think so.
Maybe your crystal ball is clearer than mine.

The US/Japan Security Pact is one very good reason.

I guess so but

The 1953 Korea US Mutual Defense Treaty
and
The 1960 Japan US Mutual Defense Treaty

A 'what happens if' scenerio. Two countries with which the US has a mutual defense treaty start shooting at each other and with US made material on both sides.
A Magellan Aerospace Technologies Inc.(among many others) dream come true.

[Buraku]

I am just curious, if you care to, why do you think so.
Maybe your crystal ball is clearer than mine.

The US/Japan Security Pact is one very good reason.

Its true that Japan may be one of these reasons
but many have seen the Japan-US pact as just a paper pact, Japan has always tried refer as the USD as 'them' or an economic partner but never called Uncle Sam an ally and 'friend' unlike the Aussies, Canadians, Germans or British have done


The Beef ban, Jenkins, Ishihara ranting for control of the Tokyo Base, Whales, portraying Japan as the victim of WW2, Okinawa protests, Bobby Fisher, metal case
...these show the real truth to the Nippon pact


But maybe USA does need something to watch the Chinese and keep the mainland in check

Lately more money has been going into Iraq and less into Guam, Sypan
China is also a powerful military force with many missiles, a massive infantry and attack aircraft
http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3466
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3958
china link
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=405200&sid=43a2fd71a614709f5f9d30bb01e715c9
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=30734

http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=3145
So what's the real reason China hasn't done anything, attacked anyone ?

1 Cultural maturity ?? , good politics, a little wisdom ? Is China doing clever political moves, keeping a nice smile and helping build ties and putting forth a nice image before the 2008 Olympics ?

2 Money ?? Are the Chinese worried that if they get stuck into a war it will cost them, the military will be back in power
the USA will slap them with sanctions, investors will pull back from China, while the EU will stop China goods ?


The answer as to why Chinese aren't so agressive is perhaps due to
1 China's growing Cultural maturity and 2 the Cash trade flow


while Japan and its Yasukuni politics is becoming the laughing stock of the world and is causing some of the neighbors in Asia to be very upset
whitewashing of textbooks and claims to disputed Russian isles do not help matters

Shintaro has said Japan SDF should claim the disputed islands and open-fire on any foreign ships that approach
while S Korea is perhaps even more serious - naming its latest LPX ship after the disputed isles

[homesweethome]

The book

[homesweethome]

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/08/14/china.japan.reut/index.html?section=cnn_latest

BEIJING, China (Reuters) -- China on Monday stepped up security outside the Japanese ambassador's residence, the scene of violent anti-Japan protests earlier this year, and marked the 60th anniversary of Japan's defeat in World War II by calling on Tokyo to face up to its past.