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Ministry In A Twist Over Sex-Change Couple's Kids

Postby Mulboyne » Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:10 am

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The diagram above is the Asahi's attempt to explain an interesting decision by the Ministry of Justice. If a married couple have a child using a sperm donor rather than the husband's sperm, the child is recognized by the Ministry as the couple's legal offspring. If however, the husband was born a woman but had sex reassignment surgery and changed his family register (as allowed under a 2004 law) to reflect his new gender, then the Ministry has ruled that a child born through the same procedure is illegitimate. A 27 year old legally registered as a man in March 2008 and married a woman the following month. The couple resorted to artificial insemination using the sperm of the husband's younger brother and the woman gave birth to a baby boy in November last year.

Explaining their decision, the Ministry has said that the 2004 special rule allowing people to change their gender on the family register was not intended to be extended to include a legal relationship with a child. The husband in this case has complained that it makes no sense for the law to allow him to marry but not to allow him to have children in the same way as biologically male husbands. The Asahi thinks legislators didn't take into account the repercussions of the 2004 law change when it was passed. In particular, the paper notes that, if a woman marries while she is pregnant, the Civil Code recognizes her husband as the father. The Japan Society of Obstetrics & Gynaecological say that, from their point of view, they have no reason to deny artificial insemination treatment to a legally married couple, regardless of the husband's original gender. Some think the Ministry had no choice but to make the ruling they did and argue that new legislation is required to help the law catch up with actual events.
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Postby Kanchou » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:13 am

Although usually I could care less about attempts to be 'sensitive' or PC towards trans-genders, this is clearly a case of someone not getting equal treatment under the law for a totally arbitrary reason.

It's not like we're talking about a former man trying to compete as a woman in the Olympics... we're just talking about semantics, legal definitions, and arbitrary labels.
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Postby bornbitter » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:54 am

I love that ridiculous diagram!
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Postby maraboutslim » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:03 am

Seems to me the only "semantic" funny business going on here is by the woman wanting the rest of the world to consider her now a "man" and a "father". The baby has a father: the woman's younger brother.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:26 pm

I have no problem with people being gay or transgender. I do get pissed off though when they feel entitled to not only have children but to force society and the legal system to act like it's normal and natural for them to do so. It's just another example of how people are essentially selfish assholes that want to have their cake and eat it too.
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Postby Christoff » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:42 pm

jesus christ, what is next, gaijin to be treated like human beings? all im saying is it is a slippery slope.
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Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:48 pm

Mulboyne wrote:Image

Correct me if I'm wrong, but going by this diagram, the woman who became a man is the exact same person who is now his wife, so he has turned into a man who married himself as a woman and therefore this marriage cannot be legal and he cannot legally become the father of the child.
And it seems the sperm donor in both cases was the same, too, because the baby is also identical, right down to the love doll mouth. I guess it must be the influence of mum's lopsided tits.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:55 pm

Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but going by this diagram, the woman who became a man is the exact same person who is now his wife, so he has turned into a man who married himself as a woman and therefore this marriage cannot be legal and he cannot legally become the father of the child.
And it seems the sperm donor in both cases was the same, too, because the baby is also identical, right down to the love doll mouth. I guess it must be the influence of mum's lopsided tits.


If your interpretation is correct, and I'm certain it is, mom was impregnated by her own brother. That's hot.
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Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:01 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:If your interpretation is correct, and I'm certain it is, mom was impregnated by her own brother. That's hot.

:rofl:
Sounds typically Japanese to me....
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Postby Mulboyne » Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:05 pm

If the mother was a foreigner, that would put the cat among the pigeons.
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Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:10 pm

Mulboyne wrote:If the mother was a foreigner, that would put the cat among the pigeons.


Yes, but would she have a round head (like mum and bubba), or a square one (like seed donor) or a rectangular one (like mum/dad/brother/sister/whatever it is)?
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Postby Kanchou » Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:14 pm

maraboutslim wrote:Seems to me the only "semantic" funny business going on here is by the woman wanting the rest of the world to consider her now a "man" and a "father". The baby has a father: the woman's younger brother.


While I could case less about her desires for people to consider her a man (she's a woman), she's legally a man and should have the same legal rights as a man in the same situation, especially one that would be legally emasculating to a natural man in the same situation. And especially when the issue is simply an arbitrary law regarding legal parenthood.
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Postby Kanchou » Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:15 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:If your interpretation is correct, and I'm certain it is, mom was impregnated by her own brother. That's hot.


No, she was impregnated by her 'husband's' brother. I wonder if he got to provide a direct deposit.
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Postby Iraira » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:54 pm

Ok, before my next date, I'm demanding a few skin cells to test for Y-chromosomes lurking about. I don't want to go through this bureaucratic BS should I decide to marry it and have to devise some scheme to reproduce with it wihtout creating some banjo plucking trisomic monster.
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Postby Mulboyne » Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:32 pm

Asahi: Sex-change parent a legitimate 'Dad'
The Justice Ministry is moving to recognize as legitimate a baby born to a sex-change parent who started out in life as female. "The current situation (considering the baby as born out-of-wedlock) is problematic. We want to (review the legal situation) immediately," Justice Minister Keiko Chiba told a news conference after a Cabinet meeting Tuesday. The 27-year-old individual, self-employed and living in Shiso, Hyogo Prefecture, legally became male in March 2008 after a sex-change operation. He had been diagnosed with gender identity disorder. He got married the following month. His 28-year-old wife became pregnant through artificial insemination using semen donated by his younger brother. She gave birth to a baby boy in November 2009. The couple tried to register the baby with the city government, but were told it could only be listed as illegitimate.
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Postby Mulboyne » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:01 pm

Just the Tokyo Nylon Girls web magazine site, I came across an interview with Miya Inoue who dresses full-time as a woman and, through taking female hormones, has grown breasts. Inoue is one of the producers of last year's Tokyo Cosme Boy contest, which drew a lot of press attention because of the numerous "herbivorous Japanese men" articles. That's a separate theme entirely but what caught my eye, and is the reason I'm posting here, is that Inoue mentions towards the end of the interview that he is paying 15,000 yen a year to a hospital to keep his sperm preserved in liquid nitrogen because he probably wants kids.

Inoue says he has a boyfriend currently but imagines having a wife in the future, perhaps a boyish-looking girl. He's keeping his sperm preserved because the female hormones he's taking will mean he'll stop producing it. It occurred to me that, if Inoue decided to have a sex change instead, then registered as a woman and married a man, he could use his sperm with a surrogate mother and adopt the baby which would make him both the baby's legal mother and its biological father.
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Postby Number11 » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:35 pm

That would cause some heads to explode at the shiyakusho.
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