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Under the mattress?

Postby Russell » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:18 pm

Thousands of wartime savings accounts of Korean laborers found in Fukuoka

Tens of thousands of postal savings accounts opened for Korean laborers forcibly brought to Japan during the war have been discovered in Fukuoka, sources at Japan Post’s banking arm revealed Saturday.

Most of the savings were not been returned to the account holders amid the chaotic aftermath of the war, and the Korean laborers were never notified that the accounts still existed.

The account passbooks were found at an entity handling Japan Post Bank Co. savings accounts in the city of Fukuoka. Most of the money in the accounts is believed to be wages paid to laborers shipped from the Korean Peninsula, according to the sources and historians familiar with wartime labor practices.

Yoshihiko Moriya, a former professor of modern history and an expert on wartime labor practices, said many companies of that era did not pay Korean laborers their full wages directly and insisted that a certain amount be deposited in postal savings accounts.

A Japan Post spokesman said the issue is currently being “sorted out.” He said information on some of the passbooks is no longer legible, but refused to be drawn on how many accounts exist, the total amount of savings or when the processing will be completed.

All foreign stakeholders are entitled to withdraw their money, but this may not apply in the case of the South Korean holders of the accounts under the 1965 bilateral treaty that Japan says renounced claims for individual compensation.

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I wonder if there is a connection with this recent news.

South Korean court orders Japan steel firm to compensate wartime workers

A court in South Korea has ordered a Japanese steelmaker to pay more than £230,000 in compensation to four Korean citizens who said the firm used them as forced labour during the second world war.

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The court ordered Nippon Steel and Sumitomo Metal to pay 100 million Korean won (£58,500) to each of the four plaintiffs for unpaid salaries and psychological distress.

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Re: Under the mattress?

Postby Coligny » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:39 pm

All foreign stakeholders are entitled to withdraw their money, but this may not apply in the case of the South Korean holders of the accounts under the 1965 bilateral treaty that Japan says renounced claims for individual compensation.


Last time i checked a dictionary, accessing to money in an account by your name was not a "claim for individual compensation" and was more in line with right to use your private property...
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Re: Under the mattress?

Postby Russell » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:19 pm

Coligny wrote:
All foreign stakeholders are entitled to withdraw their money, but this may not apply in the case of the South Korean holders of the accounts under the 1965 bilateral treaty that Japan says renounced claims for individual compensation.


Last time i checked a dictionary, accessing to money in an account by your name was not a "claim for individual compensation" and was more in line with right to use your private property...

Very true, but when it concerns relations between Japan and Korea, different rules may apply...
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Re: Under the mattress?

Postby legion » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:11 pm

Coligny wrote:
All foreign stakeholders are entitled to withdraw their money, but this may not apply in the case of the South Korean holders of the accounts under the 1965 bilateral treaty that Japan says renounced claims for individual compensation.


Last time i checked a dictionary, accessing to money in an account by your name was not a "claim for individual compensation" and was more in line with right to use your private property...


Who do you think you are, Rene Descartes or someone applying logic like that?

Can we say the accounts actually exist, maybe we just believe they exist because of the little books.
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Postby Coligny » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:25 pm

legion wrote:
Can we say the accounts actually exist, maybe we just believe they exist because of the little books.


I think you just described the stock market...
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Re: Under the mattress?

Postby wuchan » Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:52 am

the crazy part is the korean government denied any agreement until a few years ago which spawned a tin foil hat response by the general public in (south) Korea. Has the judaical branch of government started sporting the fashionable silver head ware?

Botton line is the agreement nullifies any unpaid compensation. The J-post thing is about lost holdings which is a totally different issue. The Korean court is trying to lump a bunch of claims into a single "trust" which would not be covered under the agreement. Under UN law the "trust" would not be payable to the defendants but would need to be put into a fund that is operated by the filing law firm.

Tin foil hats aside, it seems like a very powerful law firm in Korea is trying to stick it's penis in a hole.
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Postby matsuki » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:23 pm

So...basically, the K-gov should be paying out on these claims from the payment they already got from the J-gov?
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