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Internationalisation... you're doing it wrong.

Postby yanpa » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:52 am

Top tip for companies and organisations offering services in English: it kind of helps if you mention the availability of said services in English.

Like this driving school, from whose homepage a non-Japanese speaker wishing to learn to drive would have a hard time discerning the availability of lessons in a certain globally popular language.
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Re: Internationalisation... you're doing it wrong.

Postby Taro Toporific » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:36 am

yanpa wrote:Like this driving school, from whose homepage a non-Japanese speaker wishing to learn to drive would have a hard time discerning the availability of lessons in a certain globally popular language.


Their top homepage is such a mess how could anyone know what's available in Japanese. :roll:
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Re: Internationalisation... you're doing it wrong.

Postby Coligny » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:37 am

Buduglydesign... If it's not Budugly, then, you've paid too much....

http://budugllydesign.com


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Re: Internationalisation... you're doing it wrong.

Postby IparryU » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:11 am

And if you are going to put a link for a translated version of the page... at least put it in the fucking language that it will be viewed in FFS.
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Postby gaijinpunch » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:30 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:to drive would have a hard time discerning the availability of lessons in a certain globally popular language.


Japanese people. Mess is the preferred design choice.

IparryU wrote:And if you are going to put a link for a translated version of the page... at least put it in the fucking language that it will be viewed in FFS.



National Geographic Japan (some very many moons ago) had a little blurb for you to call in. No shit, it said:

日本語 03-XXXX-XXXX
英語: 03-XXXX-XXXX

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Postby Grumpy Gramps » Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:15 pm

In an ideal world, the driver's school would offer Japanese lessons to their potential students in order to provide them with the skills to read their Japanese homepage and, in a second semester, how to fill in the application form?
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Postby yanpa » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:06 pm

So, you're hanging out next to your local railway crossing, depressed at your inability to learn these pesky Asian characters and are seriously thinking about causing a person accident... Wouldn't it be great if some kindly soul put up a sign advertising the phone number for an English-language helpline?

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Postby wagyl » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:30 pm

I was going to ask whether many of the jumpers were FGs, but then I started to wonder why they would need two numbers for the 03 area, and it struck me.


I often feel that there is very little thought given to audience needs in the writing and signposting here. Far, far too often roadside signage has too much text to be able to process the message before you have passed. This is just another example of not adopting the point of view of the reader when reviewing the work.
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Re: Internationalisation... you're doing it wrong.

Postby Coligny » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:52 pm

wagyl wrote:I was going to ask whether many of the jumpers were FGs, but then I started to wonder why they would need two numbers for the 03 area, and it struck me.


I often feel that there is very little thought given to audience needs in the writing and signposting here. Far, far too often roadside signage has too much text to be able to process the message before you have passed. This is just another example of not adopting the point of view of the reader when reviewing the work.



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Re: Internationalisation... you're doing it wrong.

Postby Russell » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:59 pm

He probably means that instead of reading all those telephone numbers out loud, a person would rather kill himself...
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Re: Internationalisation... you're doing it wrong.

Postby wagyl » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:01 pm

Coligny wrote:Care to enlighten the unwashed masses before it's bath time ?


There is one unwashed mass which I have previously promised to myself not to assist with translation. He has shown himself unworthy of my help. Bad luck.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:11 pm

wagyl wrote:
Coligny wrote:Care to enlighten the unwashed masses before it's bath time ?


There is one unwashed mass which I have previously promised to myself not to assist with translation. He has shown himself unworthy of my help. Bad luck.


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Re: Internationalisation... you're doing it wrong.

Postby yanpa » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:33 pm

Coligny wrote:
wagyl wrote:I was going to ask whether many of the jumpers were FGs, but then I started to wonder why they would need two numbers for the 03 area, and it struck me.


I often feel that there is very little thought given to audience needs in the writing and signposting here. Far, far too often roadside signage has too much text to be able to process the message before you have passed. This is just another example of not adopting the point of view of the reader when reviewing the work.



Care to enlighten the unwashed masses before it's bath time ?


This is precisely the point.
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Re: Internationalisation... you're doing it wrong.

Postby Coligny » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:41 pm

Russell wrote:He probably means that instead of reading all those telephone numbers out loud, a person would rather kill himself...


So it's a "don't kill yourself here" sign...
A bit like giving the list of chemical not to be mixed to avoid poisonous gaz... to prevent suicide...

brilliant...

Next up "do not taunt the dynamite monkey" signs at the zoo...
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Postby yanpa » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:43 pm

Coligny wrote:
Russell wrote:He probably means that instead of reading all those telephone numbers out loud, a person would rather kill himself...


So it's a "don't kill yourself here" sign...


Yes... and with the phone-number for an English-speaking helpline.
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Re: Internationalisation... you're doing it wrong.

Postby Russell » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:47 pm

It does not say anywhere not to kill oneself.

OK, all kinds of black humor now enters my mind, but I better restrict myself...

Edit: yeah, Yanpa, I now see that there is an English helpline. Brilliant!!! I am almost tempted to call and tell them I have become so depressed about all those signs in Japanese, that I don't see another way out. Sheesh.
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Postby Coligny » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:48 pm

wagyl wrote:
Coligny wrote:Care to enlighten the unwashed masses before it's bath time ?


There is one unwashed mass which I have previously promised to myself not to assist with translation. He has shown himself unworthy of my help. Bad luck.



Yea... The same way you putted me on ignore list sunshine...
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Postby Coligny » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:59 pm

yanpa wrote:
Coligny wrote:
Russell wrote:He probably means that instead of reading all those telephone numbers out loud, a person would rather kill himself...


So it's a "don't kill yourself here" sign...


Yes... and with the phone-number for an English-speaking helpline.


Suicide by railroad crossing is quite rare where am from, so it wouldn't be that needed... I think...

Now Darwinism by trainsurfing... Wezza talkin real shit...
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Re: Internationalisation... you're doing it wrong.

Postby wagyl » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:01 pm

Oh, you are still there matey. I just keep a tally of how many of your posts are worth the extra click to display them. It has used a lot less notepaper than I expected.



However, I am giving myself a pat on the back for not saying "Kahma's a bitch" in my earlier post.
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Postby Wage Slave » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:13 pm

wagyl wrote:However, I am giving myself a pat on the back for not saying "Kahma's a bitch" in my earlier post.


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Postby Coligny » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:20 pm

Wage Slave wrote:
wagyl wrote:However, I am giving myself a pat on the back for not saying "Kahma's a bitch" in my earlier post.


:keyboardcoffee:


Yea, you couldn't have resisted explaining what kahma was one more time, ruining the snark effect...


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Postby kurogane » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:57 am

wagyl wrote:
I often feel that there is very little thought given to audience needs in the writing and signposting here. Far, far too often roadside signage has too much text to be able to process the message before you have passed. This is just another example of not adopting the point of view of the reader when reviewing the work.


Yes, but the fact that that is very true does raise the interesting question of why they still make such crappy compooter programmers. Obtuse presumption and teenage level self-absorption do seem to be sine qua non in my experience.

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Postby Coligny » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:20 am

not adopting the point of view of the reader when reviewing the work.


Ergonomy, factoring in the -individual- human element, physiology and psychology.

Their absolute failure to do so... Is it really that surprising ?

I'd bet cheezeburger money they'd put kiosk on the left side of their aircraft carriers just for shit, giggles and fireballs...
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Postby matsuki » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:33 pm

Russell wrote:Edit: yeah, Yanpa, I now see that there is an English helpline. Brilliant!!! I am almost tempted to call and tell them I have become so depressed about all those signs in Japanese, that I don't see another way out. Sheesh.


Holy shit, it took me awhile to find it even after I read that.

Oh the irony on some of these things....especially the websites where the one thing the decide not to put into trendy fucked English is the actual fucking word "ENGLISH"
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:42 pm

chokonen888 wrote:
Russell wrote:Edit: yeah, Yanpa, I now see that there is an English helpline. Brilliant!!! I am almost tempted to call and tell them I have become so depressed about all those signs in Japanese, that I don't see another way out. Sheesh.


Holy shit, it took me awhile to find it even after I read that.

Oh the irony on some of these things....especially the websites where the one thing the decide not to put into trendy fucked English is the actual fucking word "ENGLISH"


Yeah, it took me a second to read the fine print too. I feel like I've seen this before or at least another picture of the same sign.
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Postby Coligny » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:02 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
chokonen888 wrote:
Russell wrote:Edit: yeah, Yanpa, I now see that there is an English helpline. Brilliant!!! I am almost tempted to call and tell them I have become so depressed about all those signs in Japanese, that I don't see another way out. Sheesh.


Holy shit, it took me awhile to find it even after I read that.

Oh the irony on some of these things....especially the websites where the one thing the decide not to put into trendy fucked English is the actual fucking word "ENGLISH"


Yeah, it took me a second to read the fine print too. I feel like I've seen this before or at least another picture of the same sign.


Wasn't there a saying about the one-eyed ruling in the kingdom of the blind ?

Or sumthing...
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:21 pm

Coligny wrote:
Samurai_Jerk wrote:
chokonen888 wrote:
Russell wrote:Edit: yeah, Yanpa, I now see that there is an English helpline. Brilliant!!! I am almost tempted to call and tell them I have become so depressed about all those signs in Japanese, that I don't see another way out. Sheesh.


Holy shit, it took me awhile to find it even after I read that.

Oh the irony on some of these things....especially the websites where the one thing the decide not to put into trendy fucked English is the actual fucking word "ENGLISH"


Yeah, it took me a second to read the fine print too. I feel like I've seen this before or at least another picture of the same sign.


Wasn't there a saying about the one-eyed ruling in the kingdom of the blind ?

Or sumthing...


"Ignorance is bliss" is also a saying but that doesn't seem to be working out for you.
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Postby Coligny » Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:24 pm

I've moar often hurd:

"ignorance is bliss"
--"you must be the happiest person on earth"
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